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sherlockfan - January 26, 2005 01:49 PM (GMT)
Novelist and Tampa company both in hunter's cross hairs

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/01/26/Business..._Tampa_co.shtml


Bestselling novelist Clive Cussler. Tampa shipwreck-hunter Odyssey Marine Exploration Inc.

Two very different animals with something in common: Both have been sued by a South Carolina man who claims he deserves credit for shipwrecks they discovered.

Shipwreck hunter E. Lee Spence is one of four men who recently sued Odyssey over the SSRepublic, a side-wheel steamer that sank in the Atlantic Ocean about 100 miles off the Georgia coast with thousands of gold and silver coins aboard in 1865. Odyssey found the ship in June 2003 and parlayed it into a National Geographic TV special and millions of dollars in coin sales.

Spence and his co-plaintiffs claim the company used their research to find the ship but failed to share the booty. Odyssey says it relied on its own data.

Spence, who did not respond to requests for an interview, has rowed this path before.

For more than three decades, he has claimed he discovered the HL Hunley, a hand-cranked Confederate submarine that successfully torpedoed a Union warship in 1864 and disappeared the same night. Spence says he was fishing off Charleston Harbor in 1970 when a fish trap snagged on something. According to a court filing, he dove down and, "realizing what he had found, raced to the surface and repeatedly screamed, "I've found the Hunley."

Spence continued to make the claim even after a nonprofit that Cussler founded, the National Underwater Marine Agency, discovered the Hunley in 1995 and after the South Carolina Hunley Commission deemed NUMA the ship's official founders in 1997.

NUMA sued Spence for defamation in 2001; he countersued. The case has dragged on for four years. It is scheduled for trial in April.

At times during the case, it has seemed as if Spence might fold. In 2003, he asked the U.S. District Court judge in Charleston, S.C., to delay the proceedings because they were aggravating his "severe depression and bipolar disorder" and twice led him to be hospitalized.

Cussler asked U.S. District Court Judge Sol Blatt Jr. to order a mental evaluation for Spence and alleged Spence was seeking a delay not because of mental illness but because he had run out of money to pay his lawyers.

Indeed, Spence's lawyers dropped him for nonpayment that year. He has represented himself since.

Spence and Cussler each wrote a nonfiction book containing details about their hunts for the Hunley. In 1995, Spence self-published Treasures of the Confederate Coast: The "Real Rhett Butler' & Other Revelations. A year later, Cussler released The Sea Hunters: True Adventures With Famous Shipwrecks.

Spence claims Cussler engineered the Hunley's discovery in order to boost sales of Sea Hunters. Cussler's attorney, John Lay Jr. of the Ellis Lawhorne law firm in Columbia, S.C., said his client had given far more money to NUMA than he had received in royalties from the book.

The Hunley was exhumed in 2000. It is housed at the Warren Lasch Conservation Center in North Charleston, S.C.

Spence's involvement in research on the Republic is well-documented. A 1995 news release issued by Seahawk Deep Ocean Technology, a company founded by Odyssey co-founders Greg Stemm and John Morris, identified Spence as one of two researchers on the project. Another credited Spence and co-plaintiff Alan Riebe with helping prove that the Republic was carrying gold coins when it sank.

A 1995 filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission said Seahawk gave Spence 40,000 shares of its stock in exchange for his 10 percent share of the Republic, if found.

Stemm and Morris say they never had access to the plaintiffs' research because they resigned from Seahawk a year prior, in 1994. They formed Odyssey in 1997.

Odyssey spokeswoman Laura Lionetti Barton declined to comment.

Scott Barancik can be reached at barancik@sptimes.com or 727 893-8751.

boissee - January 26, 2005 02:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (sherlockfan @ Jan 26 2005, 08:49 AM)
Spence claims Cussler engineered the Hunley's discovery in order to boost sales of Sea Hunters. Cussler's attorney, John Lay Jr. of the Ellis Lawhorne law firm in Columbia, S.C., said his client had given far more money to NUMA than he had received in royalties from the book.


I hardly think that Dr. Cussler needs to fabricate discovering the Hunley (or any shipwreck for that matter) to increase book sales. Based on what I know of the people on this forum, that Cussler fans would buy any book with his name on it. This man may or may not have had a hand in these discovery's, but he needs to get a grip! yike:

Empress - January 26, 2005 07:25 PM (GMT)
I've been reading about thte lawsuit going on concerning the SS Republic for a while now and the guy really doesn't have a leg to stand on. I will say it does make me mad when I come across Hunley articles on the Web or even items on Ebay that credit Spence with the finding of her. All I know is I'm sitting here typing, in my Hunley T-shirt, that says NUMA on the back of it and that's all that matters. :)

OkieMan - January 26, 2005 07:41 PM (GMT)
The article said: "Indeed, Spence's lawyers dropped him for nonpayment that year. He has represented himself since."

The old saying is, "He who represents himself, has a fool for a client."

Foss Gly - January 26, 2005 08:23 PM (GMT)
Not to mention his "severe depression and bipolar disorder"....

Helene Noelle - January 26, 2005 10:56 PM (GMT)
Even the Navy knows who to give credit to when credit is due! ;)

http://www.history.navy.mil/branches/org12-3.htm

The Wreck

The search for Hunley ended 131 years later when best-selling author Clive Cussler and his team from the National Underwater and Marine Agency (NUMA) discovered the submarine after a 14-year search. At the time of discovery, Cussler and NUMA were conducting this research in partnership with the South Carolina Institute of Anthropology and Archaeology (SCIAA). The team realized that they had found Hunley after exposing the forward hatch and the ventilator box (the air box for the attachment of a snorkel). The submarine rested on its starboard side at about a 45-degree angle and is covered in a 1/4 to 3/4-inch encrustation of ferrous oxide bonded with sand and shell particles. Archaeologists exposed a little more on the port side and found the bow dive plane on that side. More probing revealed an approximate length of 34 feet with most, if not all, of the vessel preserved under the sediment.


tonym5 - January 27, 2005 02:31 AM (GMT)
LOL No wonder Odyssey is the bad guys in Trojan Odyssey!!!! I'm reading the "Trojan Odyssey" now.

Lat - January 27, 2005 04:26 AM (GMT)
Ah, Mr Spence, he used to contribute quite a bit to the Simon Says board on this subject... yike:

Somewhere on the Web Spence actually has a website, stating his claims to be the first one to find the Hunley. When I have time, I might look for the site.

Empress - January 27, 2005 01:55 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Latimeria @ Jan 26 2005, 11:26 PM)
Ah, Mr Spence, he used to contribute quite a bit to the Simon Says board on this subject... yike:

Somewhere on the Web Spence actually has a website, stating his claims to be the first one to find the Hunley. When I have time, I might look for the site.

The site is called Treasurehunters. I emailed some the excerts (sp?) to one of the forum members. I just didn't want any publicity given to Spence on this forum.

mm6mm6 - January 30, 2005 05:38 PM (GMT)
When I was a kid, one my friends in our group hid some "treasure" in a wooded area. He gave us some clues and said it wasn't buried, just hidden.

Two kids covered a certain area. They told us they did. So my friend and I didn't look there.

Some other kid said he thought he might know where the treasure was because he saw a bag sticking out from a knot in a tree as the base of it's trunk.

My friend and I looked in the unchecked area. We found the treasure (little colored tiles collected from the bottom of an in-ground pool that were in a Wonder Bread bag) inside a tree with a hollow base at its trunk.

The kids who checked the other half of the woods claimed the treasure should be theirs since they contributed so much to the hunt by checking where it wasn't. They said we used their info to find the treasure therefore they should share in its finding. Huh?

Then the kid who saw the treasure but didn't get it (still don't remember what his excuse was for not getting it) claimed he found it first. And that he should get it all.

Huh again?

If Spence found it, then he just plain should have gotten it.

I've dealt with people with bi-polar disorder. When not on medication, they can make perfect sense even though what they're saying doesn't. The sad part is that they convince themselves that they are correct.


Clive Cussler's NUMA crew of Wilbanks, Hall and Pecorelli found the Hunley using Cussler's research, maps, directions for survey and money. And that's the facts.


Vixen - January 30, 2005 07:52 PM (GMT)
He should have known how to claim the credit for it and gotten it documented. His oops does not constitue panic on our parts to believe him.

Clive marked his find and if that is the one thing I will remember in life is leave a mark if you found it.

oswalder - January 31, 2005 04:17 AM (GMT)
I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, but I was reading the July 2002 issues of National Geographic and they had an 8 page spread on the salvaging and raising of the Hunley. Talking about anticipating the salvage, the article said anticipation had been growing since 1995 when "shipwreck hunter and adventure novelist Clive Cussler discovered the Hunley less than 1000 yards from where it torpedoed the Housitanic." No mention of NUMA or his team. No other descriptions of CC than as "shipwreck hunter and adventure novelist..." I thought this was doing CC an injustice and completely downplaying his life's work.

It was a pretty cool article on the Hunley though, at least from a salvage perspective. I haven't read CC's description of the Hunley's battle in The Sea Hunters but the story in the National Geographic was pretty good too.

Empress - January 31, 2005 03:24 PM (GMT)
I actually have 5 copies of that National Geographic if anybody wants one. I was shocked to that Clive wasn't more often, but it is a layout and article. If you want one, just PM me. Julie




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