www.ipetions.com/petition/marrington

All of the kids and parents agree strongly on the point this teacher should not be allowed to move to the seventh grade. This would put the sixth graders under her teaching for another year. Trust me these kids HATE this teacher . All of them are willing to leave this school next year if the teacher's plan is implemented.

What she is planning on doing is not illegal as the principal has to agree to it but most other teacher/parents do is NOT teach their child.

I can't get the link to work. What's going on with the teacher?

Sorry I may not have copied correctly. If you go to the site and paste the name of the school (marrington) in to the search area it should bring it up.

The public librarian when they saw what assignment the 6th grader was given the they claimed 8th graders were the only ones researching this topic.
Teachers give out guidlines for projects, my daughter asked for one becuase of loosing hers. Was told no she could not have one because then the teacher would have to give one to everyone. THEN on the last day before the project was due, teacher asks who needed one.
Her son has some problems and has had a shadow in the past. She is teaching him this year as she is the only teacher for that subject. She has stated she will keep moving up to be with him.

While not illegal it is not right to keep this going. My kids school has had teachers move up or down a year to AVOID teaching their child.

Hope that helped

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No offense but I don't see the big deal here. Either you are blowing it out of proportion or you are not giving enough information here. Just because the teacher didn't give a student another copy of the assignment which was already handed out is not a problem. Student should not have lost the original. The only reasons I can think that the teacher had to give out more of the assignment later on is the most of the class had lost theirs so it would be better to go ahead and give more than have terrible assignments turned in or the teacher just got caught up in a moment of frustration and forgot the other student was turned down.

If there are more examples of why the teacher is poor please state them. As long as the teacher is not showing their child favortisim over the others who cares who teaches them?

I disagree with you there coach. It really is best for kids of teachers to go to a different school to their teacher parent. from a colleagues perspective if you teach that kid the parent will always be asking about the kid and if the kid misbehaves even minorly the parent will be on your back immediately. From the other students perspectives they think that the kid will go and tell their teacher parent everything and are likely to exclude and tease that child.
My teacher's kid went to my primary school and he was excluded from the other kids for fear that he would dob if we did anything wrong. Mostly kids felt sorry for him having his parent their.

It's bad for the kid, the other students and the colleagues.

When I have kids they will not be at the same school I am. They will either live in Canberra with their aunt or uncles or they will be sent to boarding school if I am teaching in a town with only 1 high school (In Canberra year 7 is the first year of high school)

As bad as my following comment will sound it might only be understood from a non-american point of view.



The teacher is just a bit of a knobhead. You get them everywhere but as students you deal with them. We get them all the time in the UK but you just deal with them. My maths teacher hated me and used to give me bad grades but I still did the work and learnt which is why you are there. He wasn't a very nice man but im sure if we had started a petition it would not have made it any better.

It is typical of the Americans......... and before you slate me for saying it, remember this is a non-us view. Americans in British eyes complain about everything via lawsuits and tv about something they do not like. Sometimes you just have to grit your teeth and bare it, not go on a witch hunt.

Im going to try to build on my previous post to make my point a lil clearer

"they claimed 8th graders were the only ones researching this topic."

- She is giving them hard work. In my eyes this is good. It is difficult, it will help them advance, but I garunttee they will hate it. They will only learn. One of the reasons why I hated some of my teachers was because of the difficulty of work they gave me. Ask yourself, would you prefer them getting 8th grader work or 4th grader work?


"my daughter asked for one becuase of loosing hers"

- The teacher has done her job in giving them out. The student has not done her job of keeping it. Yes the teacher is a bitch for not giving her one straight away but in fairness she has not done anything wrong. It is the students fault.


"THEN on the last day before the project was due, teacher asks who needed one"

- This is great. It is common practice in the UK to do this. She is not targetting your daughter. She is punishing her and anyone who lost theirs. By leaving it to the last day it garuntees punishment. Any activities the child had that evening are now cancelled to do the assignment. It makes sure they look after it better next time!!!!


"She is teaching him this year as she is the only teacher for that subject. She has stated she will keep moving up to be with him."

-Surely because she is the only teacher for that subject in that year she HAS to move up? Or have I misunderstood that?


"While not illegal it is not right to keep this going. My kids school has had teachers move up or down a year to AVOID teaching their child."

- So what? Thats between her and her child what they do. If anythign it'll make her life harder. Perhaps the teacher doesnt hate everyone, perhaps they are doing what they think is best? Every thought of that. My history teacher here in London was a complete asshole. But I tell you what, nobody can match me for my history knowledge and thats because though he was an asshole, he was a good teacher for the eyars I had him.



Remember these comments arent personal, I just think you've taken the childs side too easily here.

I still can't see the petition.

As far as the information that we got. What was the 8th grader work?

And if this teacher wants to teach her own child, then she should home school. I could understand her teaching her child for the subject that she was the only teacher, but she should not move up just to teach him again. Again, if she wants to teach her own child, she should homeschool.

As far as her "punishing" the child by waiting until the day before the assignment was due, that's not right. You're not supposed to punish the child. You are supposed to Dispiline the child. There is a difference. Punishment inlcudes shaming and is nothing but negitive. It would be the parent's deciion on wheather or not the child's activies for the afternoon are cancelled or not. Sometimes, it's something that cannot be cancelled.

Did you say that this was 6th grade or 7th grade? At that age the teacher should have given the student another copy of the assignment--if this was the first time this has happened with the student, or it rarely happens with this student. The kids are still lerning responciblity at that point. If this is a habit with this child, then I can see the teacher's point of view here and the child should have been made to get the assignment photocopied or copied it from another child's sheet of paper. This is what should happen from 9th grade on.

I can't see the petition either. There are many good points made here. My son had the same teqacher for Social Studies from 8th grqade throught 12th. He eas tough when he had to be. On Graduation day he was the one who gave my son his Diploma. Kids forget and lose things. They do need to see they have to be responible for their things. As Ldystacie said the child could have gotten a copy from a friend. Teachers have a tough enough job as it is without the parnets not backing them up and helping their children become better people. To much is left up to the teacher today. Parents need to step up and be parents.

Punishment isnt a shaming act.

You get discipline by punishing someone. BY not giving them the copy until the day before is not shaming them, it is punishing them bny not giving them much time to do it.

Thereby the next time they wont be so careless with it and have learnt........ discipline.

"Parents need to step up and be parents. " -Loren1

Exactly. Spending more time teaching their kids in cohesion with the teacher and less time making stupid petitions.

Punishment is shaming. What I was trying to say is that you were talking about Disipline not punishment. They are not one and the same. One does not learn from punishment. I know my parents used the word when they really meant displine because they never shamed us.

8 years ago, you were to displine your child, not punish them. Now you can't even do that. You have to guide them. My word! Dare to Displine people!!!

Ok I got off track there. Sorry. If the child is constantly loosing the assingments, then I can understand. But if this is a rare occurence with this child, then the teacher should have given the child another sheet of paper with assingment/guidelines of the project. If this child was in 9th grade or higher, I can see the teacher not giving it out again. But for a 6th or 7th grader? We are talking about pre-teens here. They're not even 13 yet! Give the kid a break! If we don't expect a new born to behave like a 2 year old, why do we expect a 12 year old to act like a 14 year old?

Stacie

Yeah you're right I meant discipline not punishment. I personally think the person who started this isnt telling us the whole story and presenting a biased view so we would sign up.

But thats me.

That's why I'm trying to get more of the story. The whole story isn't here. Can't be with just that. What was the 8th grade assignment that was given to 6th and 7th graders? Does this child make a habbit of loosing assingments? This could just be a peronality conflict between the parent and teacher or between the child and teacher. And it could be that the teacher has a personality conflict with both parent and child.

But I don't agree with a teacher teaching their own kids in a school setting if it can be avoided at all. (private schools sometimes only have one teacher per grade or one teacher per subject and that can't be avoided.)

I compleatly disagree with the statement that was made earlier about a teacher sending their child away to live with relatives just so that would not be at the same school. A child needs their parents more than they need to be at different school. We only have one high school where I live (that's 9-12 garde here) and when I was in high school, we had several kids with parents as teachers and they never got excluded. If anything, they were some of more popular kids in school. Even if their parents were not some of the best loved teachers. We were never afraid that they would run and tell mommy or daddy if we did anything wrong. Half the time they right there doing it along with the others.

But if this teacher is moving up a grade just to teach her child, then she should homeschool that child. But that's my opinion.

Pink Little Birdie I understand your point of view but from my experience the students of teachers was a good experience. I can see how it would be a problem in some situations. I guess in that case we need to judge each situation on it's own merit.

As for the discipline vs. punishment why even worry about what you call each one? I am not advocating embarassing a kid but if getting embrassed is the worst thing to happen to a kid then they have lived a good life. I am AGAINST every person in authority a kid comes across embarassing them at every opportunity and I am even against doing this somewhat routinely but getting embarassed on a rare occassion can actually teach a lesson as well. I remember growing up and being embarassed sometimes and I made sure I did not make that mistake again.

We as a society have taken personal responsibility and thrown it out the window. We look to blame EVERYONE else for our failures. I am a high school baseball coach in USA and I had a kid quit the team because he failed in two situations and I got onto him about it. First this was a Senior who has played for me for every year he was in high school and the things he messed up on we have worked and worked on them to make sure we don't make those mistakes. He made them - to me there has to be some sort of repercussions and I yelled at him. He quit. I know some people are going to say I am mean and doing the wrong thing but our team chemistry has been a lot better since he quit. There no longer is a negative presence on our team. Did that kid learn something? Probably not because the parents blame me for quitting. Did the rest of the team learn something? I would say so because our team has been MUCH better since then. Way I look at it I failed one kid but succeeded with 29 others. I will take those percentages any day of the week.

Luke is right that we blame others - to me this parent would rather gripe and complain than to tell their kid to suck it up. As long as people have different personalities there will be conflict between people. Instead of focusing on whose fault it is we need to focus on getting along enough to accomplish a goal.

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/marrington/
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This is sixth grade.

"they claimed 8th graders were the only ones researching this topic."
This was a project that listed the 12 labors of Hercules on a poster size map of areas. With modern names for the ancient cities listed. We used several maps to get the cities.

Project rubric-my child completed the assignment and only needed another one to check that she had everything completed. It would be great if my child had the friends to get a copy from.

The teacher does not have to move because she is the only teacher for the subject, she wants to keep moving up to stay with her son. The easiest way to say it, her son has 'problems', she manipulated the system to get to stay with her son's grade and will keep doing so.

"Parents need to step up and be parents. " -Loren1
Exactly. Spending more time teaching their kids in cohesion with the teacher and less time making stupid petitions.---It is a free world and I did this so the students and parents could sign it. I also left it open for other contacts to do so also. My children have spent 3 grand years at the arts infused magnet school that started off with nothing as far as computer or library books. The parents banded together and by Thanks giving the shelves were full of books and the computers on order. Hallways being muraled and such. As parents of AIMS kids you spend the time with your kids doing neat stuff that is not done in regular classes or projects. Chourus shows, holiday shows etc. Today we were at a Rock and Mineral show and ran into a teacher and spent 20 minutes with her. Don't get on the spend more time kick without knowing.

"This could just be a peronality conflict between the parent and teacher or between the child and teacher. And it could be that the teacher has a personality conflict with both parent and child." HOW? When the entire class feels the same way and most of the parents. Another child turned in a project one day late, guess what she got. A couple points off, no that is for normal teachers. Student got a zero. Expect that from high school or college.

We will not tell our child to buck it up and take it. That is why we have crappy schools. We need to communicate in order to improve the way it is done or other wise we will have assembly line teachers that make the doctors working on your loved one in surgery. The you can buck it up.

If you don't like what you are reading don't continue, if you would like to support, Thanks. I stared this and I am trying to fill you guys in as best I can.

On the child that got a zero for turning in the project a day late. From a Teacher's point of view, that was the right thing to do. Even my son who is in the 2nd grade would get a zero fo turning in homework a day late and I would back the teacher on that.

It sounds like to me that you just don't want this to move up so that your child doesn't get this teacher again.

If her son is a problem student, then you should be focused on that and gettig the school to displine him. And if his mother is preventing that, THEN take it to the school board to see what can be done.

Again, as I have stated before, if this teacher wants to teach her son, she should homeschool. Movin up a grade to teach should have nothing to do with teaching your own child, unless it is to avoid teaching your own child. I have heard of teachers doing that.

I have seen nothing that the teacher has done wrong exept for wanting to move up to teach her own problem child.

Also, do you know what makes this kid a problem child?

Also one thing to think about, if people who are not in this schools district sign this petition, it might make it invalid. And you have to be 18 years or older to sign a petition of this sort.

This to me is a conversation that isn't fit for this forum and should be deleted in its entirety. Nothing can make enemies of people quicker than being asked to take sides for their children. If there is a problem with education in your area take it up with the schoolboard or PTA don't come to us and beg us to get involved.

After we all put our 2 cents worth in, Sean is right. :)

I see coaches point of view about teachers teaching their own kids because I had a negitive experience with it at my primary school and high school (kindergarten to year 10) I will send my children to a school where I'm not teaching. If that means boarding school so be it. It is how I will deal with that situation if it comes up. You might disagree but to me it is a form of protecting my child from that kind of potentially damaging enviroment. It doesn't reflect on me negatively as a parent or mean that won't be involved in their life. We had a parent who lives in the next major city and they still know where the kid is in schoolwork, helps with homework and comes to parent teacher nights.

All I did was make a post, all you had to do was read it or not. A discussion started. I was being nice by answering your questions as they came up.

Go ahead and have my post deleted as you feel it is not in the best interest for this area. I'll keep this in mind for later.
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Pink Little Birdie I commend you for what you are doing (or going to do actually). You are doing what you think is right for your child. I have no problem with that.

As for the petition how long have you had it going? It only has 5 names on it and four of those seem to of the same family.

LdyStce makes another great point - why in the world would this school district give a rats fanny in what we think? Especially since several of the words on the original petition are misspelled or lacking letters. It's one thing to get on a message board and type things incorrectly because you are going to fast but if you want to make an impact and convince others that you are "right" then you need to make sure it looks like it is proper. If I was in charge of this district I would look at your "petition" and throw it away. I would back my teachers in what they teach and decided until real evidence is presented to me.

People who have positions of power cannot worry about what is popular - they have to worry about what is right. So far you have no presented anything that shows this teacher is doing anything wrong (although others think that following her child is wrong I don't have a problem with it - but no bid deal either way).

Overall - who cares. This is your problem and not ours. I just like arguing and debating which is why I responded - and I am a teacher and sort of partial to my colleagues being attacked over what I feel is insignificant matters. But Sandecker Fan is right that this doesn't belong in a Clive Cussler fan forum.

If you want to remember it for later go ahead. I don't think anyone will lose any sleep over it.

I like these kinds of disussions about teaching... I am going to be a physical education teacher in our high schools (7-12). I am currently 3rd year of a 4 year degree.
It gives me a perspective that I might not have otherwise seen. I think these a complicated issues. Remember it's not the popular teachers who let you slack that are remembered it's the teacher who makes you learn and inspire you to achieve your goals.

WHy have alot of my posts been deleted?

They used no curses or were abusive.