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Title: #722 Singular Price
Description: A power older than Videoland...


gopus - September 28, 2011 05:12 PM (GMT)
Hope is using the same phraseology as Aslan in the Lion, the Witch, and the Warddrobe, when he gave himself as a sacrifice for Edward. The power of substitution and sacrifice preceded the laws and rules established when Narnia first started. I suspect this is what is going to happen here.

"Kevin" cannot return to the Real World because he is Mirror Kevin, OR his loss of Omega Energy makes him more like the natives (my two favorite theories).

Alpha energy isn't a destructive force, according to Hope. It builds up, likely.

deathsbuddy - September 28, 2011 05:14 PM (GMT)
I don't think Hope dies, though. I think she seals herself along with the Sovereign...

gopus - September 28, 2011 05:31 PM (GMT)
I don't think Hope will substitute HERSELF.

aturtledoesbite - September 28, 2011 08:46 PM (GMT)
Well, Proto said Hope was dead. This is probably where it happens.

Sir Donald - September 28, 2011 09:56 PM (GMT)
It is too bad that Mega Man's "Plan Y" (as I call it) is doomed to fail; I mean, adding hope to sorrow gives one a balanced perspective on life.

Or does it?

Perhaps the reason why Mega Man was denied the Warp Zone's power is that the power itself somehow knew that adding Life to Sorrow would not destroy, convert, or neutralize it...

It could make for an invincible foe...

Basicaly, Mega was equipped to fight The Shadow King. Cecil and Frog are better matches (excuse the pun) for the Sovereign.

Which leaves this question: How would a Gamemaster have made a difference against the Sovereign? I can't see it. I can see against the Shadow King, but not the Sovereign.

AngerFork - September 28, 2011 09:56 PM (GMT)
Well now, this brings about a very interesting question, one that I probably actually should've put in the crazy theories thread, but I don't fully have my theory done on this yet.

Presuming the Princess actually uses her spell (after MM's failure, of course), the SoS should be trapped in a seal that "no Videolander can break." Obviously, this means that the SoS will need someone from the outside world to break this seal. Given that the Gamemaster is the Sovereign's Champion, this would appear to be his duty as far as the SoS is concerned. This would explain a lot of who was behind the plan to first bring Alex to Videoland, especially as Lucca seems to be touched.

However, look a little closer at that last comic, and what happens to bring Alex to Videoland. Lucca sets up the device, but she's not the one that actually throws the switch and turns it on. Schrodinger is. Given what we've seen Schrodinger do since that summon, he definitely seems to know what he's doing.

Just what are Schrodinger's true motives here?

Zap Rowsdower - September 28, 2011 10:45 PM (GMT)
Given that he's a "perfectly ordinary cat"... maybe a way back to the Real World and get to his Favorite Sunny Spot and Kitty Treats? I'll bet food taste is lesser, and sunlight doesn't feel as nice, when in sprite form.

aturtledoesbite - September 29, 2011 01:30 AM (GMT)
No. Schrodinger definitely has a good reason for what he's doing. And I believe that the cat brought Alex to Videoland because, while he is the only one that can set her free, he is likely also the only one that can completely destroy her. And unless she is destroyed, the touched still suffer. Though...I seem to remember one particular comic where Alex hints that he had not completely defeated the Sovereign yet (in the present, that is). I think the exchange went something like this:

Ryan(?): Good thing you beat the Sovereign, huh?
Alex: Yeah...

Notice the ellipsis. That tends to imply that there's more to it than that. Now if only I could remember which comic it was.

Dark Hawk - September 29, 2011 03:10 AM (GMT)
Obviously the perfectly ordinary house cat, houses the mind of the SOS.

Gaius - September 29, 2011 03:15 AM (GMT)
For sussing out Schrodinger's objectives, all I can think about beyond what's been mentioned here is that Alex, while still unsure, has speculated the cat's presently trying to bring Ryan and Alex into some kind of final confrontation. But, if Schrodinger's seeking to end the Sovereign, perhaps the Alex-Ryan conflict is just another step: if Alex hasn't destroyed the Sovereign (as feels likely, to one degree or another), dealing conclusively with Ryan might be necessary before Alex can go on to really finish things with her.

Magil - September 29, 2011 06:32 AM (GMT)
This is what brings about the Great Change, isn't it?

MFD - September 29, 2011 12:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Dark Hawk @ Sep 28 2011, 10:10 PM)
Obviously the perfectly ordinary house cat, houses the mind of the SOS.

No. The Mask does.

AngerFork - September 29, 2011 03:28 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Magil @ Sep 29 2011, 12:32 AM)
This is what brings about the Great Change, isn't it?

That's what I'm betting on...perhaps the Princess' spell has the side effect of completely redoing the landscape of Videoland. Or perhaps that's what it is...a spell to rebuild Videoland from the ground up, including sealing away all evil.

QUOTE ("Sir Donald")
Which leaves this question: How would a Gamemaster have made a difference against the Sovereign? I can't see it. I can see against the Shadow King, but not the Sovereign.

I don't see why not. I mean, a Gamemaster would likely be immune to Omega Energy, which takes away one of her strongest weapons. And keep in mind that Videoland works in the way the Gamemaster expects it to, making said Gamemaster at least as much a potential force of nature as the SoS.

QUOTE ("aturtledoesbite")
No. Schrodinger definitely has a good reason for what he's doing. And I believe that the cat brought Alex to Videoland because, while he is the only one that can set her free, he is likely also the only one that can completely destroy her. And unless she is destroyed, the touched still suffer.

Good point. She can still build up her army even in her current state of seclusion. Which would make it a matter of time before Videoland is destroyed anyhow.

Sir Donald - September 29, 2011 04:39 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (aturtledoesbite @ Sep 28 2011, 09:30 PM)
Notice the ellipsis. That tends to imply that there's more to it than that. Now if only I could remember which comic it was.

This one (which really should add the "Lonely Cell" tag).

Also, the Sovereign, for some reason, knows nothing about the cat. How would you not know anything regarding the actions of an ally? Especially when said "ally" does things that (seem to) frustrate your resurrection? (That last one also needs the "Lonely Cell" tag...)


QUOTE (Angerfork)
I don't see why not. I mean, a Gamemaster would likely be immune to Omega Energy, which takes away one of her strongest weapons. And keep in mind that Videoland works in the way the Gamemaster expects it to, making said Gamemaster at least as much a potential force of nature as the SoS.


That merely keeps the field neutral. That doesn't tell me how the Gamemaster is supposed to be able to be victorious over the Sovereign. (And, no, I don't call Sealing her away a victory... Alex himself says so in a comic that I can't seem to locate. ("If I had done what you did...")) Neutralizing her, converting her, setting her at peace, whatever... (So not destroying her either...)

mordain - September 29, 2011 05:45 PM (GMT)
For the people commenting on comics that need location tags, this is because of the way the tagging process occurred and later changed. Many of the early comics are going to lack location tags. Pointing all of them out individually is not necessary.

Dark Hawk - September 29, 2011 05:57 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (MFD @ Sep 29 2011, 08:34 AM)
QUOTE (Dark Hawk @ Sep 28 2011, 10:10 PM)
Obviously the perfectly ordinary house cat, houses the mind of the SOS.

No. The Mask does.

I was being pretentious.

MFD - September 29, 2011 06:16 PM (GMT)
I think you mean facetious.

Gaius - September 29, 2011 08:24 PM (GMT)
Facetiously pretentious?

jaimehlers - September 30, 2011 01:20 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Gaius @ Sep 29 2011, 03:24 PM)
Facetiously pretentious?

No, pretentiously facetious.

aturtledoesbite - September 30, 2011 01:25 AM (GMT)
Um. Can anyone explain what those words mean?

jaimehlers - September 30, 2011 02:06 AM (GMT)
Facetious is a form of silly or inappropriate joking. Pretentious is having 'airs' or a superior attitude that isn't justified by circumstances.

aturtledoesbite - September 30, 2011 02:16 AM (GMT)
Ah. Why can't we just say he was being sarcastic, then?

Now then, we should get back on topic. Here's a comic-related question: What power is Hope referring to when she says "a power older than Videoland and greater than the Sovereign's"?

jaimehlers - September 30, 2011 02:44 AM (GMT)
My guess would be hope, the emotion. I mean, the story of Pandora's Box is old...and hope is arguably the greatest strength of humankind.

aturtledoesbite - September 30, 2011 05:07 AM (GMT)
That would be getting back into Alpha energy, which Hope explicitly said is not a weapon.

MFD - September 30, 2011 10:27 AM (GMT)
If Alpha Energy is not a weapon...

... Then how does the CT Masamune work? Did it receive Omega Energy when it was thrust into the Mammon Machine?

Sir Donald - September 30, 2011 06:33 PM (GMT)
First up, it's the opinion of an ISO-standard NES Princess. Princesses are supposed to discourage "actions that would lead us to war" (Queen Padme Amidala, Star Wars, The Phantom Menace.

Second of all, the Masamune is a Broadsword nee Knife that had the spirits of Masa and Mune inside of it. In essence, it is a weapon infused with Alpha Energy. Without it, it would still be a weapon. With it, it becomes a delivery system of sorts.

Maybe that was the problem. Maybe Mega Man needed to fire his past self at the Sovereign...

On the other hand, maybe that wouldn't be enough. Life cannot defeat Sorrow, just as Hope cannot defeat Death. But Hope can neutralize Sorrow and Life and Death cancel each other out.

It may very well be that we need to reclass the "Where Are They Now" thread again, listing Retro-Mega as a "Life" entity, Frog's Masamune as a "Hope" emitter (Cecil is unclear as yet, who knows what KluYa gave him,) and Alex's SuperScope as an Instrument of Death.

aturtledoesbite - September 30, 2011 09:07 PM (GMT)
I wouldn't consider the Super Scope a force of death any more than I would consider a gun a force of death. I see the Super Scope as a form of pure Omega energy, untainted by things like sorrow or death.

Also, a completely-unrelated note: This marks the first time that someone did not have perfect memory of their experiences (Proto doesn't quite remember the first part of Hope and Mega's argument).

jaimehlers - October 1, 2011 05:03 AM (GMT)
More likely Protoman either didn't understand or didn't want to tell Alex what he actually heard.

aturtledoesbite - October 1, 2011 05:08 AM (GMT)
Or it could have simply been unimportant. Who knows?

mordain - October 1, 2011 05:11 AM (GMT)
He said that he didn't follow it, not that he didn't remember it. I'm pretty sure he remembers it perfectly but doesn't want to give Alex the details for whatever reason. This is hardly the first time he would be keeping something from Alex. At least it's not an outright lie this time.




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