While everyone is distracted playing "Pick your Corporate Puppet" and "Where's the WMD's" the Senate has been sneakily trying to revive the hated draft. In the present climate I could see this being the thing that plunges the US into a period of massive civil unrest,

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/mandatorydr...ng19mar04.shtml

"Mandatory Draft Coming-Soon

There is pending legislation in the House and Senate (twin bills: S 89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin at early as Spring 2005 -- just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow."

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.html

Universal National Service Act of 2003 - HR 163

To provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled......

http://www.theorator.com/bills108/hr163.html

SEC. 2. NATIONAL SERVICE OBLIGATION.

(a) OBLIGATION FOR YOUNG PERSONS- It is the obligation of every citizen of the United States, and every other person residing in the United States, who is between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a period of national service as prescribed in this Act unless exempted under the provisions of this Act.

(B) FORM OF NATIONAL SERVICE- National service under this Act shall be performed either--

(1) as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; or

(2) in a civilian capacity that, as determined by the President, promotes the national defense, including national or community service and homeland security.

© INDUCTION REQUIREMENTS- The President shall provide for the induction of persons covered by subsection (a) to perform national service under this Act.

(d) SELECTION FOR MILITARY SERVICE- Based upon the needs of the uniformed services, the President shall--

(1) determine the number of persons covered by subsection (a) whose service is to be performed as a member of an active or reverse component of the uniformed services; and

(2) select the individuals among those persons who are to be inducted for military service under this Act.

(e) CIVILIAN SERVICE- Persons covered by subsection (a) who are not selected for military service under subsection (d) shall perform their national service obligation under this Act in a civilian capacity pursuant to subsection (B)(2).


Not cool.

*sigh* I guess this means I'm gonna have to pick a science major.

If you read the first link's page (which is just a simple read, but very infroamtive) these bills (IF passed) would not allow you to dodge the draft by going to Canada (due to a treaty signed with Canada's foreign minister in 2000) or by being in college or any higher education. This is so anybody is eligible and all the rich kids don't get out of it because of college.

If I was to be drafted, I'd try the, "I morally object to this" tactic or whatever, but I don't think that would fly anymore, so I'd probably end up just going to jail or whatever the punishment is. It seriously would be very bad, but, hopefully these bills do not pass, but a lot of things say they will. A large percentage of the current reservists and active troops do not plan to enlist, and there's other factors to that point towards they may need to do this.

My anger towards Bush and his dumbass war already made me mad today when the papers were full of dead soldier's pictures, but then I read this and it's just getting ridiculous. Being drafted is actually a possibility at this time.

Yeah, but science majors stay behind to do research rather than go to the frontlines. :lol:

This probably won't fly very well since most people don't really like war. I think most people aren't happy about war cause it disrupts their everyday lives rather than on moral grounds really. Not saying it's true for everyone, just that most people don't want to go to war not cause they don't want to kill folks but because they don't want to go into a highly dangerous, highly stressful enviornment. Small difference, yes, but I suspect most of us want to avoid war for purely selfish reasons. Which is fine since this is a country founded on capitalism. :lol:

I don't want to go because I don't like killing people. I'd be fine learning how to shoot guns or whatever, it'd be fun to use all the high tech stuff, but not to kill people or animals.

there wont be a draft. no way it would happen. young voters are one of the biggest voting groups in america. but they dont vote.

heres what would happen: draft enacted->young voters get pissed->new elected officialls who would get rid of draft.

polititians dont want to lose their jobs and power, and enacting a draft would be throwing their positions away, and it would never gain the support of the people.

We'll see. I say it's doubtful, but it is a reality that could come.

im not worried about, and not because i am unable to serve in the military, i have dont believe that this could be popular enough to ever get inacted.

The draft is never popular, but sometimes they think it is neccessary to fight and occupy so many countries, that they have to draft people.

we're only really heavily involved in two, and it doesnt matter what 'they' think, its up to the people, and if it isnt up to the people, it will be shortly after the people realize they need to use the power they have.

We're occupying tons of other countries and many of the current actives do not plan to re-enlist. Read the links I gave.

those arent occupations, we have troops stationed in many places, but to occupy, it must come from an invading force.

Well, you can get technical on terms if you wish, but the men are there, invading or not.

yeah, but they are there, keeping us safe, its not like they are being wasted over there or anything, they are there so we can have a military power or whatever you want to call it. thats how we are kept safe. and its not like those have to be replaced, they arent being killed in most places, so it isnt that bad of a problem.

I'm just saying, that's people right there that are tied up and when they are done, might not or probably not going to re-enlist.

We used to have 18 units or whatever, and then the government shrunk it down to 10 units, when the average is 14. So it's already under par, we're streched across the world, and the current enlisters are not going to re-enlist in high percentages.

the world wide average is 14? or just the average size of the US army?

14 was the number of them that the US had said was the right number to usually have, but when they lowered the number during the Clinton years, it went down to 10. All this can be found in the links I provided.

My Substitute teacher today brought up how there could possibly be a draft, and how likely it is. He's in the reserves or whatever and says he is probably going over there next June, and mentioned the upcoming bill. I was the only one who know wtf he was talking about and helped educate the class and how they could possibly become tools of the government next summer.

Land of the free my ass. If that law passes, and I am drafted, you can gaurantee I will be either running from the cops or sitting in jail.


EDIT: Even more proof of the draft coming I found online. Just go to Yahoo! and type in War Draft in 2005 and the first 15 sites show proof of it coming. They've already hired all the thousands of people they need for local boards and appeal boards.