I dont want to start the whole " they shoulda done this or that" discussion, but has anyone heard what came of the tox report or any new news on the jail shooting? I havent heard anything more about it.

188 views and no response. Guess no one knows anymore about it.

It is kinda strange that no one has said a word..It seems to me if everyone was in the right they would be talking your ears off..But instead they are keeping it too quiet...Does that mean something??? :dunno:

It might mean that no one knows.

Haven't heard anything about it either, not that it matters. The guy was clearly out of his mind and tried to attack a cop with a hatchet and a knife. Whether it was caused by use of drugs or alcohol, a chemical inbalance, or alien abduction doesn't change anything.

It does matter. There are better ways of neutralizing a threat than shooting someone in the head! That was excessive and undue force. The facts that this killing was done by a public employee in a publicly owned facility warrants a public explanation.
Oh. I forgot. We are talking about an incident that occurred in Polk County.

Such as ??

"Such as ??"......ßÍgHat

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I've been in combat more than once and was not questioning the methods deployed. I know when faced with that situation, you do what you have to. I wasnt trying to start this old argument up again, but feel we all deserve to know what became of the tox screen and also what was the outcome of any investigations. If any were even done.

Observer: Exactly what should they have done? What could they have done that they did not try to do? Someone attempted to kill them and they responded as they are trained to do. Cops have the same rights to self preservation that you and I do. If our lives are threatened, we can defend ourselves. So can they. Anyone that thinks police or military personnel are taught to shoot people in the legs watches too much TV. They tried talking to him, they tried a taser, and when he tried to kill one of them, they acted in self defense. It wasn't excessive or undue force. They met deadly force with deadly force. Just like they are supposed to. Two officers in Florida recently tried using a taser on an armed man that assaulted his wife. The suspect killed both of them when the taser didn't stop him.

I don't think it matters one bit whether he was messed up on drugs or just messed up in the head. It doesn't change the facts of the case. He came to the jail armed, he provoked a confrontation, he tried to kill a cop, they defended themselves. Noboby knows why he did it, he just did.

Your last comment hints at a cover up and corruption in Polk county. I think you are way off the mark. I've known the Sheriff for a long time. He's a very honest and open person and runs a "tight ship". He's respected across the state, served as the President of the Sheriff's association, and was voted the Arkansas Law Enforcement Officer of the Year. His recent recommendation for the Office of US Marshal shows the type of department he runs and type of person he is.

Thank you big red for your comment. It's about time as a community that we support our officers instead of accusing them of wrong doing. Overall, we have a great bunch of city officers and deputies. They deserve our support instead of putdowns. These guys put their lives on the line everyday so that we can have a safe little community. These guys never know what their next call may be. It could be a domestic with a crazy spouse who could pull a weapon on them and kill them on the spot or they could be dispatched to a home to notify the next of kin that their son or daughter was just killed in a car wreck. Most of us know from day to day what we will be doing at work but these guys never know from one call to the next what may happen!!!! So let's give them our support!!!!

Thank you BIGRED! Thank you sweetheart! Your reactions were exactly what I was trying to incite.

Had I simply posted a thank you to our peace officers for a job well done, it probably would have drawn no response. Sometimes you gotta ruffle some feathers to get some attention. And that’s exactly what I did.

Believe me, I have the utmost respect for our Sheriff’s Department and Police Department. Had I been placed in a similar situation, I don’t know if I could have reacted as they did.

My sympathies go out to the family and friends of the young man involved. But, my thanks go out to the officers who, when faced with such a situation, responded as they were so very well trained to do.

I just wish we, the public, could be kept informed on the final outcome. We do, after all, pay the tax's that pay the Sheriff and his department’s wages. But I guess it's not important, as long as he's respected and runs a "tight ship". Perhaps something will show up at the conformation in DC.

We already know the final outcome of the incident. The tox screen results have no bearing at all. It was a justifiable shooting regardless of what he was or was not on. If it's that important to you, maybe you could ask the young man's family. They might already know. The Sheriff may be keeping it confidential out of resect for the family. You might ask the Sheriff or Prosecutor for that matter. Just remind them that you pay their salaries and I'm sure they'll open up all of the confidential files for you.

BTY, he's been Sheriff for over 20 years, I highly doubt that anything will come out during the comfirmation hearings that will disqualify him.

Just the type of response I expected from you, BigRed. Seems anytime something is questioned by any citizens of Polk County its "Confidential". No doubt the "investigations" into the two events in Cove will be the same. Hopefully the Comformation Committee wont ask about the Chamber.

Pretty bold statement. Can you give us some examples or are you just shooting off at the mouth?

The part about reminding the Sheriff or Prosecutor that you pay their salaries was in jest. I was serious about going and asking them though. Have you tried it yet or are you just assuming that they are trying to hide something?

Hopefully they will.

This is small-town U S A. Politics! Remember when sheriff C,C. and his wife worked the books and his boys even made some fine deputies. lol Poor Fran H. probably felt the accusing stares everytime she went to work in the A.H. days. Its been a fine tradition in this area to behave in this manner. When a person becomes high-sheriff its only natural that the first-lady gets a little of the gravy!!! Who knows what happened at the chamber, or the other "earlier" rumors. The sheriff is a good mn, a d@mn good man. He hasn't always made every right decision, but he has donea d@mn good job. I wish he could stay here a while longer.

I could provide you with several over the past 20 years, but feel its in my best interest not to continue this argument. The internet is not as anonymous as we'd all like to believe.

AMEN to that southernvet

I don't understand why a man would even consider giving up Mike's position of being the one of the only ELECTED law enforcement officials in the USA (A county Sheriff), in exchange for being a glorified taxi driver of criminals being transported between US prisons (A US Marshal). Right now he has the respect of his community and the power to set policing policy in his home county. Working for the Feds he will be just another faceless, powerless nobody, working not for the people, but for the President, with about 90% of his job consisting of transporting inmates. Seems boring to me. Are the Feds trying to get him out of here for some reason? You know, "kicked upstairs"?

"...of the only ELECTED law enforcement officials..."

Constables are elected.

Second guessing, Sheriff Oglesby probably suffers from job burn out. When you spend years and years dealing with the seamy element of society it is bound to wear at you. As often stated, there are two elements in our society...the good and the bad. Most of the law abiding citizenry has no idea of the scope of the other element that exists.

Amen to that.

I worked in the ghettos and slums of SW Florida for a few years, and it's BAD there. Saw stuff that blew me away, and had to be really street smart while doing my job at the same time. Most people have no clue what really goes on in some places.
At one small complex, there were two armed guards and each one of them had a dog, both Dobermans. They wouldn't even walk with me where I had to go at 2 in the morning if I had a call to respond to. They just stood under the bright street light by the road, too scared to even walk in the dark parking lot.

But the people who lived there watched my back, and saved my life no doubt on a couple occasions. Plus the money was better than at a fancy, upscale complex.

being a glorified taxi driver of criminals being transported between US prisons (A US Marshal).

I cannot believe that anyone would believe that this is what a US Marshall's job entails! That may be what you are suggesting that the current sherriff will be doing in his appointed postition. But you should not generalize a US Marshall in this matter. I personally know a current US Marshall and am very proud to say so. This person has had jobs that you and I could only speculate as to the true missions for our safety and our country. They have sent units of Marshalls to Iraq several times as well as other countries. They have a yearly round up as seen on TV called Falcon, this is where they go after as many criminals in a mass round up that other police officers have not been able to find or have the ability or resources to go after. To call them glorified Taxi Drivers is an insult to them and to all that have served in that position! I think you would be surprised the times the local sheriff and law enforcement officers have had assistance for different crimes in this area alone. You really should learn to research such things before making a such a general statement.

Lifeisgood-
I see this was your first post. Welcome to the Mena Forum.

As to the "Glorified Taxi Driver", those were the words of a US Marshal I met about forty years ago. He was probably bored with hauling nonviolent pot smokers and draft resistors off to prison, but that was how he described his job.

Now that you have mentioned Iraq, I AM curious about how those suspects were delivered to the rendition sites to be tortured. Were they simply TOLD to go there, or did they have some sort of escorts? And if they had escorts, who would the Government send to do the escorting? Perhaps people with training for, and experience with, transportation issues?

You are right. I should have researched more fully.

Thanks for the welcome.

40 years ago, that may have entailed your friends job. I am not questioning your input on that. But the times, well they are a changin! I know the US Marshalls are responsible for many things in law enforcement that are not public knowledge. Going to Iraq for the group of Marshalls that I know about had similar jobs as our Armed Forces had. And spent many months away from their families. Along with Peace Keeping they were looking for criminals just as they do here. Many were in charge of training the new Iraqi Police and helping set up the new justice system they currently have. And yes I know they had to transport the criminals just as you said. I know I wouldnt want to be the one transporting and protecting Sadam from the Iraqis so he could "get a fair" trial. How many of us would want to go into Mexico to retrieve Murder & Drug dealers with what is going on down there? I am pretty sure that wouldn't be one transport that would be a walk in the park. Of course I am not just on the Marshalls band wagon. I respect law enforcement, the jobs they are required to do for the pay they recieve. I know there are some that are in the wrong profession, but for the most part, they are doing a job the rest of us dont want.