Title: Ft Hood killings
Shutterbug - November 5, 2009 11:45 PM (GMT)
Focus - November 6, 2009 12:55 AM (GMT)
Doing so.
BearCatFan - November 6, 2009 02:57 AM (GMT)
Pray for the wounded, their families and the families of the dead soldiers!!!
This is going to get pretty nasty I believe!!!
This is going to get pretty nasty I believe!!!
Scotto - November 6, 2009 03:38 AM (GMT)
I read on one site that they think it was middle Eastern men, terrorists. Not sure how correct that info is. :scratch:
Scotto - November 6, 2009 03:57 AM (GMT)
An Army psychiatrist who reportedly feared an impending war deployment is in custody as the sole suspect in a shooting rampage at Fort Hood in Texas that left 12 dead and at least 30 wounded, an Army official said Thursday night.
The news that the suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, was alive and in stable condition came as a sudden reversal of early reports that the gunman was among the dead.
"I would say his death is not imminent," Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said. Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times.
Two other soldiers who were taken into custody for questioning were later released, Cone said. A female first responder who shot at Hasan also survived, contrary to earlier reports that she had died.
The rampage was believed to be the deadliest at a U.S. military base in history. The exact motive wasn't clear, though Hasan, a Virginia native and a Muslim, reportedly was against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and had been the target of harassment for his ethnicity.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
Federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials said they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates homicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."
They say an official investigation was not opened.
Hasan was working with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood after being transferred in July from Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he had worked for six years before recently receiving a poor review.
Cone said the shooter used two guns, including a semi-automatic weapon. He added there was no indication they were military weapons.
The shooting took place 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the post's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers undergo medical screening before being deployed or after returning from overseas.
"We have a terrible, tragic situation here," said Cone. "Soldiers, family members and the civilians that work here are absolutely devastated."
Cone said the injuries "vary significantly" among the victims wounded in the shooting.
The shooter's cousin, Nader Hasan, told Fox News that their family is in shock.
"We are trying to make sense of all this," Nader Hasan said. "He wasn't even someone who enjoyed going to the firing range."
He said his cousin, who was born and raised in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, turned against the wars after hearing the stories of those who came back from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Nader Hasan said his cousin, who was raised a Muslim, wanted to go into the military against his parent's wishes — but was taunted by others after the terror attacks of Sept. 11.
A former neighbor of Hasan's in Silver Spring, Md., told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word "Allah" on the door.
She said the FBI interviewed her Thursday afternoon, adding she used to see a woman and a 3-year-old girl coming and going.
Authorities provided little information Thursday about the victims of the rampage at Fort Hood.
George Stratton's son, George Stratton III, was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.
"He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting," Stratton told FoxNews.com.
He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.
"He peaked up over the desk and that's when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot," Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital. "After he got shot he told me, 'Dad, I got up, held my arm and took off running.'"
Stratton said his son was expected to be deployed to Afghanistan in January after going to basic training exactly a year ago.
"It's pretty hard to believe something like this happened," Stratton told FoxNews.com. "I think he's probably had his fill of war already."
President Obama called the shooting a "horrific outburst of violence" on members of the nation's armed forces. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on American soil," he said
Obama said his thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and families of the fallen.
A spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations said they don't know anything about Hasan, and condemned the shooting at Fort Hood.
The group issued a statement calling the shooting as a "cowardly attack." They say no political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such violence.
The base and area schools were on lockdown after the mass shooting, and all those on the Army post were asked to gather for a head count, thought the lockdown was lifted Thursday night.
Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.
The news that the suspect, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, was alive and in stable condition came as a sudden reversal of early reports that the gunman was among the dead.
"I would say his death is not imminent," Lt. Gen. Bob Cone said. Col. Ben Danner said the suspect was shot at least four times.
Two other soldiers who were taken into custody for questioning were later released, Cone said. A female first responder who shot at Hasan also survived, contrary to earlier reports that she had died.
The rampage was believed to be the deadliest at a U.S. military base in history. The exact motive wasn't clear, though Hasan, a Virginia native and a Muslim, reportedly was against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and had been the target of harassment for his ethnicity.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572305,00.html
Federal law enforcement officials told the Associated Press that Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats. The officials said they are still trying to confirm that he was the author.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates homicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
"To say that this soldier committed suicide is inappropriate. Its more appropriate to say he is a brave hero that sacrificed his life for a more noble cause," said the Internet posting. "Scholars have paralled (sic) this to suicide bombers whose intention, by sacrificing their lives, is to help save Muslims by killing enemy soldiers."
They say an official investigation was not opened.
Hasan was working with soldiers at Darnall Army Medical Center on Fort Hood after being transferred in July from Walter Reed Army Medical Center, where he had worked for six years before recently receiving a poor review.
Cone said the shooter used two guns, including a semi-automatic weapon. He added there was no indication they were military weapons.
The shooting took place 1:30 p.m. Thursday at the post's Soldier Readiness Center, where soldiers undergo medical screening before being deployed or after returning from overseas.
"We have a terrible, tragic situation here," said Cone. "Soldiers, family members and the civilians that work here are absolutely devastated."
Cone said the injuries "vary significantly" among the victims wounded in the shooting.
The shooter's cousin, Nader Hasan, told Fox News that their family is in shock.
"We are trying to make sense of all this," Nader Hasan said. "He wasn't even someone who enjoyed going to the firing range."
He said his cousin, who was born and raised in Virginia and graduated from Virginia Tech University, turned against the wars after hearing the stories of those who came back from Afghanistan and Iraq.
Nader Hasan said his cousin, who was raised a Muslim, wanted to go into the military against his parent's wishes — but was taunted by others after the terror attacks of Sept. 11.
A former neighbor of Hasan's in Silver Spring, Md., told Fox News he lived there for two years with his brother and had the word "Allah" on the door.
She said the FBI interviewed her Thursday afternoon, adding she used to see a woman and a 3-year-old girl coming and going.
Authorities provided little information Thursday about the victims of the rampage at Fort Hood.
George Stratton's son, George Stratton III, was five feet away from the shooter at the Soldier Readiness Center and suffered a gunshot wound to his left shoulder.
"He said he was there doing medical stuff and all of a sudden someone came through the door, walked behind the desk and just started shooting," Stratton told FoxNews.com.
He said about 15 rounds went off and people started dropping to the floor.
"He peaked up over the desk and that's when he was shot in the shoulder, and he just went down again. He said he saw one of his NCOs get badly shot," Stratton told FoxNews.com after talking to his son in the hospital. "After he got shot he told me, 'Dad, I got up, held my arm and took off running.'"
Stratton said his son was expected to be deployed to Afghanistan in January after going to basic training exactly a year ago.
"It's pretty hard to believe something like this happened," Stratton told FoxNews.com. "I think he's probably had his fill of war already."
President Obama called the shooting a "horrific outburst of violence" on members of the nation's armed forces. "It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on American soil," he said
Obama said his thoughts and prayers are with the wounded and families of the fallen.
A spokesman for the Council on American-Islamic Relations said they don't know anything about Hasan, and condemned the shooting at Fort Hood.
The group issued a statement calling the shooting as a "cowardly attack." They say no political or religious ideology could ever justify or excuse such violence.
The base and area schools were on lockdown after the mass shooting, and all those on the Army post were asked to gather for a head count, thought the lockdown was lifted Thursday night.
Covering 339 square miles, Fort Hood is the largest active duty armored post in the United States. Home to about 52,000 troops as of earlier this year, the sprawling base is located halfway between Austin and Waco.
Shutterbug - November 6, 2009 04:01 AM (GMT)
Obama announces about shooter ..after a bunch of other stuff , even a shoutout..youtube obama
Shutterbug - November 6, 2009 04:07 AM (GMT)
Former co-worker of shooter speaks out :video
BearCatFan - November 6, 2009 03:04 PM (GMT)
Is there anyone on here that really didn't see this coming?
The_Bountiful_Beauty - November 6, 2009 03:18 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shutterbug @ Nov 5 2009, 08:01 PM) |
| Obama announces about shooter ..after a bunch of other stuff , even a shoutout..youtube obama |
thanks Shutterbug but I could not watch all of it. blah blah blah. guess his speech writers were not at the top of their game that day. It was also taking far too long to get to the part where he actually talked about the shooting.
slingshot - November 6, 2009 08:02 PM (GMT)
Let's hear what a Democrat had to say................
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuiCJ2hWTl0&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuiCJ2hWTl0&feature=related
The_Bountiful_Beauty - November 6, 2009 09:29 PM (GMT)
and all the nasty comments made about this video is beyond imagination.
CyberianWinter - November 7, 2009 05:38 AM (GMT)
BCF- Sad to say, I did see it coming. Its a continuing lesson of what we saw when two students at Columbine High School decided they had taken enough abuse. More recently, one student at Virginia Tech decided he had taken enough abuse. This Major, from what I read, took constant abuse from what should have been his "Fellow American Soldiers" for his ancestry and religion. Add to that, his job as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, dealing with badly bent returning soldiers. Add to that, the atrocities done to "His" people by our former President, CIA, and Militarist Society, and he came unglued. Many people are now having to pay because he was abused. So-called "Mad Dogs" aren't born that way: they have to be slowly and painstakingly created.
There is another group of people I see as At Risk of losing it: our female soldiers. Many are reporting multiple rapes, constant verbal abuse, discrimination and attack. The higher-ups don't seem to care. Add a little battle fatigue to these womens' fear and rage and frustration, and our own abused female soldiers could be more dangerous to our men in uniform than the Taliban.
Will anybody open their eyes and say "Hey! Let's treat ALL people as PEOPLE!" so these events don't have to happen? Not likely. We'd rather blame the person who cracks than the ones who kept kicking him or her.
There is another group of people I see as At Risk of losing it: our female soldiers. Many are reporting multiple rapes, constant verbal abuse, discrimination and attack. The higher-ups don't seem to care. Add a little battle fatigue to these womens' fear and rage and frustration, and our own abused female soldiers could be more dangerous to our men in uniform than the Taliban.
Will anybody open their eyes and say "Hey! Let's treat ALL people as PEOPLE!" so these events don't have to happen? Not likely. We'd rather blame the person who cracks than the ones who kept kicking him or her.
Shutterbug - November 7, 2009 06:39 AM (GMT)
CW...
some of Nidal Hasan's writing online
Found this interesting. And you know CW .. almost everyone who harms others has justified their actions in some way. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. However Hasan wasn't drafted and he was a Muslim when he joined. There were German Americans who fought bravely on our side during WW2.
Whatever one can say about his motives or sanity..he signed on willingly. And if indeed going over there was so horrific to him, he could have left the country.
From what I've read about Hasan .. he was provocative himself... like the "Allah is love" bumper sticker he had on his car [ the one someone damaged] I mean think about it .. Ft Hood , you are a doctor & know fully the effects of war on people..and you place what on your car?
And from NPR
"But two other psychiatrists who had worked closely with Hasan when he was training at Walter Reed told NPR that the suspect could be belligerent. The two asked not to be identified because the military had ordered them not to talk to the media.
They said Hasan would sometimes belittle colleagues without provocation.
The psychiatrists also said Hasan once gave a bizarre lecture to the medical staff in which he said the Quran teaches that infidels should have their heads cut off and set on fire.
"When I heard the news about Hasan, honestly, my first thought was, 'That makes a lot of sense. That completely fits the person I knew,' " one of the psychiatrists told NPR."
full storyNPR
some of Nidal Hasan's writing online
Found this interesting. And you know CW .. almost everyone who harms others has justified their actions in some way. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. However Hasan wasn't drafted and he was a Muslim when he joined. There were German Americans who fought bravely on our side during WW2.
Whatever one can say about his motives or sanity..he signed on willingly. And if indeed going over there was so horrific to him, he could have left the country.
From what I've read about Hasan .. he was provocative himself... like the "Allah is love" bumper sticker he had on his car [ the one someone damaged] I mean think about it .. Ft Hood , you are a doctor & know fully the effects of war on people..and you place what on your car?
And from NPR
"But two other psychiatrists who had worked closely with Hasan when he was training at Walter Reed told NPR that the suspect could be belligerent. The two asked not to be identified because the military had ordered them not to talk to the media.
They said Hasan would sometimes belittle colleagues without provocation.
The psychiatrists also said Hasan once gave a bizarre lecture to the medical staff in which he said the Quran teaches that infidels should have their heads cut off and set on fire.
"When I heard the news about Hasan, honestly, my first thought was, 'That makes a lot of sense. That completely fits the person I knew,' " one of the psychiatrists told NPR."
full storyNPR
slingshot - November 7, 2009 11:40 AM (GMT)
"We'd rather blame the person who cracks".............Yep, everytime. :thumb: and I feel good about it. :D
Poor little murderer. :crying: He had a rough childhood. His mommy didn't like him. His daddy was always at work. He was ugly. Blah blah blah blah blah. :vio: When time comes to pull his ventilator plug I wish they'd let me do it. :pray:
Poor little murderer. :crying: He had a rough childhood. His mommy didn't like him. His daddy was always at work. He was ugly. Blah blah blah blah blah. :vio: When time comes to pull his ventilator plug I wish they'd let me do it. :pray:
historyfan - November 7, 2009 02:17 PM (GMT)
If he was an officer, he could have resigned his commission. One story indicates that he wanted to be 'discharged.' If you are an officer, you are not discharged. My question is this: Why, if he was having so many problems and did not agree with what the Commander in Chief (either one) was doing, did he continue to serve? It seems if you are unhappy and disagree with the policies of your employer, the reasonable thing to do is find another job. As a mental health professional, trained in helping soldiers after deployment, he would have been well poised to transition into the civilian life as a mental health provider there and not have to worry about deployments. Eight years after 9/11--I do not believe for ONE second any person who is in the military who claims conscientious objector status. We all know the deal.
Fastmover - November 7, 2009 03:32 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (CyberianWinter @ Nov 7 2009, 12:38 AM) |
| BCF- Sad to say, I did see it coming. Its a continuing lesson of what we saw when two students at Columbine High School decided they had taken enough abuse. More recently, one student at Virginia Tech decided he had taken enough abuse. This Major, from what I read, took constant abuse from what should have been his "Fellow American Soldiers" for his ancestry and religion. Add to that, his job as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, dealing with badly bent returning soldiers. Add to that, the atrocities done to "His" people by our former President, CIA, and Militarist Society, and he came unglued. Many people are now having to pay because he was abused. So-called "Mad Dogs" aren't born that way: they have to be slowly and painstakingly created. There is another group of people I see as At Risk of losing it: our female soldiers. Many are reporting multiple rapes, constant verbal abuse, discrimination and attack. The higher-ups don't seem to care. Add a little battle fatigue to these womens' fear and rage and frustration, and our own abused female soldiers could be more dangerous to our men in uniform than the Taliban. Will anybody open their eyes and say "Hey! Let's treat ALL people as PEOPLE!" so these events don't have to happen? Not likely. We'd rather blame the person who cracks than the ones who kept kicking him or her. |
All of that :bullS: you're spouting and not one damn time have you expressed a bit of compassion or caring for the people that were murdered by yet another 'leftwing extremist'. Has anyone forgotten Little Rock yet? :scratch:
You seem to have no problem with murder as long the people being murdered are the ones who don't share you're socialist ideals. You're pathetic. <_<
Fastmover - November 7, 2009 04:21 PM (GMT)
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Islamist terror strikes US again by Ralph Peters, Colonel, United States Army, Retired. Posted: 1:36 PM, November 6, 2009 On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam. What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting. This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period. When the terrorist posts anti-American hate-speech on the Web; apparently praises suicide bombers and uses his own name; loudly criticizes US policies; argues (as a psychiatrist, no less) with his military patients over the worth of their sacrifices; refuses, in the name of Islam, to be photographed with female colleagues; lists his nationality as "Palestinian" in a Muslim spouse-matching program, and parades around central Texas in a fundamentalist playsuit — well, it only seems fair to call this terrorist an "Islamist terrorist." But the president won’t. Despite his promise to get to all the facts. Because there’s no such thing as "Islamist terrorism" in ObamaWorld. And the Army won’t. Because its senior leaders are so sick with political correctness that pandering to America-haters is safer than calling terrorism "terrorism." And the media won’t. Because they have more interest in the shooter than in our troops — despite their crocodile tears. Maj. Nadal Malik Hasan planned this terrorist attack and executed it in cold blood. The resulting massacre was the first tragedy. The second was that he wasn’t killed on the spot. Hasan survived. Now the rest of us will have to foot his massive medical bills. Activist lawyers will get involved, claiming "harassment" drove him temporarily insane. There’ll be no end of trial delays. At best, taxpayer dollars will fund his prison lifestyle for decades to come, since our politically correct Army leadership wouldn’t dare pursue or carry out the death penalty. Maj. Hasan will be a hero to Islamist terrorists abroad and their sympathizers here. :whistle: While US Muslim organizations decry his acts publicly, Hasan will be praised privately. And he’ll have the last laugh. But Hasan isn’t the sole guilty party. The US Army’s unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood. Given the myriad warning signs, it’s appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or at Ft. Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor. Had Hasan been a Lutheran or a Methodist, he would’ve been gone with the simoon. But officers fear charges of discrimination when faced with misconduct among protected minorities. Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don’t roll in this maggot’s chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption. There’s another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who’ve been assigned to his care? And he’s not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on? For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I’m ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him. Get ready for the apologias. We’ve already heard from the terrorist’s family that "he’s a good American." In their world, maybe he is. But when do we, the American public, knock off the PC nonsense? A disgruntled Muslim soldier murdered his officers way back in 2003, in Kuwait, on the eve of Operation Iraqi Freedom. Recently? An American mullah shoots it out with the feds in Detroit. A Muslim fanatic attacks an Arkansas recruiting station. A Muslim media owner, after playing the peace card, beheads his wife. A Muslim father runs over his daughter because she’s becoming too Westernized. Muslim terrorist wannabes are busted again and again. And we’re assured that "Islam’s a religion of peace." I guarantee you that the Obama administration’s non-response to the Ft. Hood attack will mock the memory of our dead. |
Awshoot - November 7, 2009 06:12 PM (GMT)
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| The psychiatrists also said Hasan once gave a bizarre lecture to the medical staff in which he said the Quran teaches that infidels should have their heads cut off and set on fire. |
Just another 'peaceful' mooslem? I'd send him to Gitmo w/ a bunch of blue needles.
Shutterbug - November 8, 2009 01:48 AM (GMT)
Awshoot - November 8, 2009 04:28 PM (GMT)
Killer Hasan has ties to 911 terrorists according to a British newspaper investigation.
Link
Link
slingshot - November 8, 2009 05:22 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Awshoot @ Nov 8 2009, 11:28 AM) |
| Killer Hasan has ties to 911 terrorists according to a British newspaper investigation. Link |
"revenge was not in his nature."
I wonder what he would have done if someone really pi$$ed him off? :newlmao:
Focus - November 9, 2009 01:17 AM (GMT)
Why the shootings will continue until the psych drugs are banned:
Saturday, November 07, 2009
by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
What's clear about both the Orlando shooting and the Fort Hood shooting is that there's a psychiatric drug connection to both. Neither of these men was acting rationally. Something "flipped a switch" in their brains. That something was almost certainly a psychiatric drug.
Until we halt the chemical holocaust being perpetrated against our world by the psychiatric drugging industry, we will continue to see more of these violent, drug-induced shootings take place. Count on it. Psych drugs cause violence. And the more psych drugs are prescribed, the more violence we'll see.
According to Medwatch statistics, 63,000 people in the U.S. have committed suicide while on antidepressant drugs (that's more than ten times the number of Americans who have died from H1N1 swine flu, by the way). (http://www.naturalnews.com/022930_d...)
The mainstream media absolutely refuses to tell you the truth about the link between psychiatric drugs and violent killings, but it's the obvious connection in nearly every single shooting that's taken place in recent memory: The Virginia Tech shooting (http://www.naturalnews.com/021798.html), the Stephen Kazmierczak Illinois shooting (Stephen Kazmierczak), the Omaha mall shooting (http://www.naturalnews.com/022330.html), and so on.
In December, 2007, I made this public prediction:
"There will be more. I hate to be accurate about this grisly prediction, because I grieve for the families of those lost to pharmaceutically-induced violence, but the truth is that until we stop drugging our children with psychotropic drugs, the shootings are not going to stop."
And indeed, there have been more. As long as these dangerous, mind-altering psychiatric drugs continue to be prescribed to patients, they will continue to drive people to violence. More innocent lives will be lost while Big Pharma pockets billions of dollars in profits from the very same drugs that are leading people to deadly violence.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (www.CCHR.org) is the leading group fighting this chemical holocaust. Check out the shocking videos on their website to learn more about the dangers of psychiatric medications.
Sources for this story include:
Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMo...
The Examiner:
http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Sal...
CCHR:
http://www.cchr.org
Saturday, November 07, 2009
by: Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor
What's clear about both the Orlando shooting and the Fort Hood shooting is that there's a psychiatric drug connection to both. Neither of these men was acting rationally. Something "flipped a switch" in their brains. That something was almost certainly a psychiatric drug.
Until we halt the chemical holocaust being perpetrated against our world by the psychiatric drugging industry, we will continue to see more of these violent, drug-induced shootings take place. Count on it. Psych drugs cause violence. And the more psych drugs are prescribed, the more violence we'll see.
According to Medwatch statistics, 63,000 people in the U.S. have committed suicide while on antidepressant drugs (that's more than ten times the number of Americans who have died from H1N1 swine flu, by the way). (http://www.naturalnews.com/022930_d...)
The mainstream media absolutely refuses to tell you the truth about the link between psychiatric drugs and violent killings, but it's the obvious connection in nearly every single shooting that's taken place in recent memory: The Virginia Tech shooting (http://www.naturalnews.com/021798.html), the Stephen Kazmierczak Illinois shooting (Stephen Kazmierczak), the Omaha mall shooting (http://www.naturalnews.com/022330.html), and so on.
In December, 2007, I made this public prediction:
"There will be more. I hate to be accurate about this grisly prediction, because I grieve for the families of those lost to pharmaceutically-induced violence, but the truth is that until we stop drugging our children with psychotropic drugs, the shootings are not going to stop."
And indeed, there have been more. As long as these dangerous, mind-altering psychiatric drugs continue to be prescribed to patients, they will continue to drive people to violence. More innocent lives will be lost while Big Pharma pockets billions of dollars in profits from the very same drugs that are leading people to deadly violence.
The Citizens Commission on Human Rights (www.CCHR.org) is the leading group fighting this chemical holocaust. Check out the shocking videos on their website to learn more about the dangers of psychiatric medications.
Sources for this story include:
Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/wtMo...
The Examiner:
http://www.examiner.com/x-19632-Sal...
CCHR:
http://www.cchr.org
BearCatFan - November 9, 2009 03:06 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (CyberianWinter @ Nov 6 2009, 11:38 PM) |
| BCF- Sad to say, I did see it coming. Its a continuing lesson of what we saw when two students at Columbine High School decided they had taken enough abuse. More recently, one student at Virginia Tech decided he had taken enough abuse. This Major, from what I read, took constant abuse from what should have been his "Fellow American Soldiers" for his ancestry and religion. Add to that, his job as a psychiatrist at Walter Reed, dealing with badly bent returning soldiers. Add to that, the atrocities done to "His" people by our former President, CIA, and Militarist Society, and he came unglued. Many people are now having to pay because he was abused. So-called "Mad Dogs" aren't born that way: they have to be slowly and painstakingly created. |
Yeah CW...The muslim extremists are just sooooo mistreated!!!! :laughing:
BearCatFan - November 9, 2009 03:18 PM (GMT)
News out now shows that the muslim extremist that murdered our soldiers had attempted to contact Al Qaeda. I wonder if this was their instruction to him since he was just so abused byfellow soldiers?
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-sh...tory?id=9030873
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-hood-sh...tory?id=9030873
Fastmover - November 10, 2009 02:05 PM (GMT)
This was posted on my military board by an eyewitness to the attack of the 'leftwing extremist'. I've redacted any names used from his post. Posted with REDACTED permission.
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Since I don't know when I'll sleep (it's 4 am now) I'll write what happened (the abbreviated version.....the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come). I'll not write about any part of the investigation that I've learned about since (as a witness I know more than I should since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation). Don't assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They're not. They'll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they'll get it right. I did my SRP last week but you're supposed to come back a week later to have them look at the smallpox vaccination site (it's this big itchy growth on your shoulder). I am probably alive because I pulled a ---------- and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building). The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building. As I'm walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous. Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to "RUN!". I kept motioning people fast. about 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. a couple minutes later a balding man in ACU's came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically. He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don't think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and then looked under the body of the car. I've been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me. Until he started shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed. Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news accounts she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn't see it. he didn't go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He's fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn't dropped the one that was in his weapon. He's holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go). I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I'm about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, "He's reloading, he's reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Captain REDACTED comes up as well. She's bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we've been trained (we didn't have any CLS bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had). Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I'll be seeing those tomorrow. Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic too. I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on "fire"). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy). I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. Lt Colonel REDACTED was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn't believe he was one of ours. I didn't want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn't just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did. I then went over the slaughter house. the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named REDACTED, his son was REDACTED and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight. I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren't letting anyone in there. not even medics. finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. there was no second shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". she indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or ambulances. I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. but that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area was dead. I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt' see a lot of them for a while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont' know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. not the Army I saw. and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the middle of it all. |
Farmer Smith - November 12, 2009 06:07 PM (GMT)
Thank you for posting that Fastmover. :thumb: I ran across something I found very interesting, here ya go.
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| How the Fort Hood Shooter Will be Judged by Joshua Stanton In a time of war, they volunteered to defend us. They would have died as heroes for us. Had they, at least their families might be making some sense of the terrible loss they must feel now. With loss, there might at least be meaning — the understanding that their loss is what history has always deducted from our hearts to keep evil at bay for a greater good, for freedoms that are not free. But Nidal Hasan’s murder of twelve soldiers at Fort Hood will be all the more agonizing for the families because there is simply no making sense of it. It had no meaning. There are no words to express how contemptible it was — this cowardly theft of brave young lives from the parents who invested decades of love in their children, of spouses who will never be consoled, and of children who not know mothers and fathers. There are no root causes, “legitimate” grievances, or divided loyalties that can explain Nidal Malik Hasan, though in due course, some will try to find them. Here, I do not refer to the Army defense counsel who will be burdened with the dreaded duty of defending a man they will assuredly and justifiably loathe, but must defend anyway. For four years, I was an Army Trial Defense Counsel myself. The military conditioning to protect young soldiers is so deeply instilled in commanders and noncommissioned officers that most deeply appreciated my zeal even as I attacked the evidence for the charges they had sent to trial, often with reluctance. For Hasan, the dynamic will be very different. Those who judge Hasan will see repellent dishonor in a man who murdered the soldiers every officer swears he will lead and protect, who betrayed the country he swore to defend, and who killed and maimed despite swearing an oath to heal, to do no harm. If religion was Hasan’s motive, his was an extraordinarily promiscuous view of the meaning of one’s oath to God. No officer can be, or should be, forgiven for betraying and harming soldiers. The Army will want to exercise jurisdiction over Hasan’s crimes under the Uniform Code of Military Justice. It is the Army way, and it is consistent with the authority of Article 2 of the UCMJ to punish offenses by a man wearing its uniform, against its soldiers, within the boundaries of its largest post. The civilian system could try him, but it is Hasan’s good fortune — and I will soon explain why — that it probably won’t. For those of us who play no role in Hasan’s trial, no punishment but death seems appropriate, yet the obvious justice of such an outcome is far from assured. For one thing, President Obama will have to attend and speak at these soldiers’ funerals. Silence will not be an option. How can he console without appearing to prejudge guilt and punishment? He must. Any such statement would allow defense attorneys to argue that Obama’s comments constitute unlawful command influence and demand that the charges should be dismissed, or that the death penalty must be excluded. At best, appeals alleging unlawful command influence would delay any execution indefinitely. Prepare yourself for President Obama to sound mealy-mouthed, but it is important to understand that the legal context will dictate this. As soon as Hasan is well enough to understand them, charges will be preferred on him, and an Article 32, UCMJ hearing will be set. The lawyers will use this hearing to explore the evidence of premeditation, Hasan’s sanity, and potential evidence to mitigate punishment. The Article 32 officer will almost certainly recommend referral of the case to a General Court Martial with the authority to adjudge capital punishment, and the Commanding General is almost certain to follow that recommendation. The evidence of premeditation already seems substantial, and that is before all we will learn about Hasan’s chats, blogs, and e-mails in the coming days. Then will come numerous motions to appoint experts and consultants, conduct discovery, and dismiss charges. In less time than it would take in the civilian system, a panel — not a jury — of at least twelve officers will be selected, all of whom must outrank Hasan (that is, the lowest-ranking member must be a major with a date of rank earlier than Hasan’s). If they convict Hasan, they will proceed to adjudge a sentence. Writing in the Military Law Review in 2006, three years after my brief stint as editor, Marine Colonel Dwight H. Sullivan wrote that of the 47 capital cases the military has tried in recent decades, just 15 have resulted in death sentences. The trial and sentencing in this case will take a year or two — much less time than it might take in the civilian system, but that is only the beginning. If Hasan is sentenced to death, the case will enter the military’s meticulous appellate system, which has reversed more death sentences than it has affirmed. There have been no military executions since 1961, and there are six men sitting in the military’s death row today. Of these, only one appears to be at all close to execution; in 2008, President Bush approved the execution of convicted serial killer Private Ronald Gray, but Gray still sits on death row for crimes he committed in the 1980’s. The infuriating reality we are left with is that if Nidal Hasan survives his injuries, he may end up spending the remainder of his life in the company of Hasan Akbar, who also sits on death row for the murder of his comrades. |