Title: The Dumb Americans Thread
abzug - May 28, 2006 02:57 AM (GMT)
abzug PostPosted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:59 pm
Please help us dumb Americans....
I've got a bunch of vocabulary/cultural questions related to various characters/scenes in Bad Girls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so I figured I'd start a thread where all us Americans could post and the kind UK-residents would enlighten us. Here's a few I've been puzzling over, to get us started:
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK? Helen uses it in S2E7 in reference to Sean: "Didn't Sean tell you? He's my partner." In the US, only the most liberal liberal straight person would use this term to describe a person of the opposite sex who they were romantically involved with. The word "boyfriend" would be much more common. In fact, I only knew one straight woman ever who referred to her live-in boyfriend as a partner, and it was a big political thing that she did so. Is this true in the UK? Is Helen making some sort of implied progressive political statement by referring to Sean as her partner, or is this just a word that straight people commonly use?
2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?" The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:00 am
Re: Please help us dumb Americans....
abzug wrote:
from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?"
Blue Peter was a children's show from the '70s. It's also slang for dick; also the marine flag indicating a ship was ready to sail (blue with a white square in the middle) was called a Blue Peter, but the first option seems most likely to me.
Paxman was a reporter/interviewer, I think, who was viewed as a bit of a... what do I want to say, political apologist. He may be the same Paxman who went on to host one of those College quiz-type shows, not sure. --e The Garden Assistant
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:52 am
I'm not certain if the UK uses "partner" for reference to their straight "other halves" or not, but I do think that I remember an article which told us about Mandana and her "partner" moving to Spain. (I'm not able to find it at the moment, but I do remember a small tingle of excitement when I read it, because of course I thought "partner"). Laughing Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:21 am
Well....
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK?
Yes it is common for straight folk to use PARTNER rather than boyfriend or girlfriend especially with older people [ie: people out of their teens and 20's]..when *boy*friend or *girl* friend seems a bit twee and silly. It tends to be used by people who are living together rather than just dating. As many people live together as bother to get married these days, using 'partner' infers some sort of committment possibly?
So no, I don't think Helen was making any sort of *statement*, she was letting Nikki [or anyone else] know that she and Sean either lived together or were in some sort of more permament relationship.
2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
Don't know. Peugeot are a popular French car in the UK [we don't really have much of a car industry of our own any more:( ]
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
I have a Peugeot 806, an MPV which I love.
Peugeot do rather sporty versions of their cars but I hadn't picked up on and fuss being made about them?
In what context do you mean?
Karens car is an old MG I think a sort of minor classic car.
3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
As EKNY has said Blue Peter is a children's show. It started in the 60's and went out live ..still does !!
There were/are usually 3 presenters and it was a magazine type format~ activites outside like rock climbing and parachuting ..visitors to the studio. They had the Blue Peter garden , the Blue Peter animals- dogs cats etc to engage children who hadn't any...and each week they would demonstrate a craft activity. Often involving the use of empty washing up liquid bottles, sellotape, cereal boxes and sticky back plastic ...lol
It was a cult show, a mainstay of the BBC, part of being British. Almost a national institution ..has lost a some of it's impact now as kids have so many other things they can watch and do! But even now EVERYONE knows what Blue Peter is!
The shows peak was in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's, so for someone of Nikki's age, or even Yvonnes it would have been part of their childhood.
I guess the reference was made as the 'replacement' knife as an amateur effort with lots of tape ...lmso!!
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?"
He is a stroppy git basically ..he presents NewsNight at 10.30pm on BBC2 and has a reputation for hauling Politicians over the coals ..especially when they are trying to avoid answering a question[as politicians do] or blustering. So in that sense he does a good job I suppose.
As EKNY says he is also the Question Master on 'University Challenge' a high brow Quiz show...he harranges the students into answering when their nerves get the better of them and they can't get the answers out ...lol
Again he is a bit of an 'institution'
He can be humourless and a bit of a sour puss. But unrelenting with his questions, hence Nikki's comment.
Hope this is of some help.
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:43 am
Re: Well....
COOLUK1 wrote:
2. What's the deal with the Peugot?
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
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Shocked Oh my goodness!!! I'm moving to the UK ASAP, as I can obviously drive around with my very own SALOON!!! Luving it!!! Wink
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In fact .... I'm thinking that she could be my DD ... Wink We can tour Europe!!! I'll pay ~~~ Laughing
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n&haddict PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:52 am
Re: Well....
GeauxGurl wrote:
COOLUK1 wrote:
2. What's the deal with the Peugot?
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
COOL Cool[/color]
Shocked Oh my goodness!!! I'm moving to the UK ASAP, as I can obviously drive around with my very own SALOON!!! Luving it!!! Wink
(Thinking that I might ought to let N&HA in on my adventure <not that she drinks>, but 'cuz ... Saloon's ~~ and Texas ~~ ya kneaux!!!)
In fact .... I'm thinking that she could be my DD ... Wink We can tour Europe!!! I'll pay ~~~ Laughing
Wanna come along, COOL????
What's this GG going on an adventure? We have Saloon's here in Texas for sure. Tour Europe I'm all for it but before heading to Europe let's make a little stop in Milwaukee for the Muppet Party!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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4us PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:11 am
Here in Oz for a married couple the term partner would not be used.......either husband or wife..........the younger generation still refer to boyfriends and girlfriends but in the instance of either a straight or gay couple actually living together in a permanent relationship it is commonly said partner.........I have heard gay couples say life partners on occassion.....I think in part it has become a more of a politically correct statement as before I had heard many cohabiting couples being called defacto....or in defacto relationships.........it sounds much nicer saying this is my partner ........as for the rest of the question I think our British friends have answered that for us all as I too had no idea of what was meant......it is both fun and interesting to get to know and understand the various terms and phrases from around the globe...we all have our own brand of "Lingo"........ G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:51 am
Please help us dumb Americans....
Meant to say~ NOT dumb ..just not familiar with...!!
We have quite a lot of American TV over here so l guess we get used to a lot of American turns of phrase and expressions...and some cultural references.
We have even picked up some Aussie expressions through daily doses Neighbours and Home and Away...lol
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filbertfox PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:43 am
Re: Please help us dumb Americans....
Just adding on to the replies to this so far...
abzug wrote:
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK? Helen uses it in S2E7 in reference to Sean: "Didn't Sean tell you? He's my partner." In the US, only the most liberal liberal straight person would use this term to describe a person of the opposite sex who they were romantically involved with. The word "boyfriend" would be much more common. In fact, I only knew one straight woman ever who referred to her live-in boyfriend as a partner, and it was a big political thing that she did so. Is this true in the UK? Is Helen making some sort of implied progressive political statement by referring to Sean as her partner, or is this just a word that straight people commonly use?
This I think is really debateable. Over time, the term is a lot more prevalent, but certainly in my experience, about 5-10 years ago it was regularly assumed that if you said you had a partner, you were gay. Nowadays, I think people use it because it's a more adult way of saying that you live with your girlfriend/boyfriend...oh, and not many Brits say 'lover' btw, it's a word with way too many sexual connotations for many of us to feel comfortable using...
Maybe because I still consider myself as a six-year-old in an adult's body, I avoid the term like the plague...way, way too adult for me. But then I also have northern, working class roots so it also comes across as too 'poncey' and middle-class, something the 'poofters down south' would use. On the whole, I've always used the term 'my other half' or 't'other half' or 'er indoors'...arrrggggh!! I'm a walking, Coronation Street type cliche!!!
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2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
This was something I never understood. A number of the people I know absolutely swear by Peugeots and would never drive anything else (they're reliable cars with a far amount of vrooom under the bonnet), but as far as I know, there aren't any connotations attached to owning one.
Discounting the fact that Karen is a babe...i've always thought that there was something quite endearing about her choice to drive such a 'classic' British car when it must have cost an absolute fortune to keep it roadworthy.
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3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Several people have already provided explanations, but I can't resist putting in my own two penneth...
Back in the 70's/80's, what type of child you were depended on which show you watched. If you watched Blue Peter (a BBC show btw), you were a 'swotty smarty pants' - i.e. prefect material, someone who conformed. On the other hand, if you watched 'the other side' (ITV) and their equivalent show 'Magpie', you were considered to be much more of a cooler kid - bit of a rebel, backchats the teachers etc etc...
Now, just to lower the tone here somewhat...although I was a diehard Blue Peter fan, I did occasionally switch over to watch Magpie in order to ogle Jenny Hanley's very prominent nipples...which, for those of us of a certain age became sort of a national institution.
During that time, Blue Peter was produced by a woman called Biddy Baxter and it was her desire to use the show to imbue children with orthodox family values. As a result, Blue Peter presenters (of which there were 3, usually 2 blokes and a woman) had to be straight-as-a-die, Anglo Saxon and have absolutely no skeletons in their closets - during my time, two presenters were sacked when the press caught on to iffy goings-on in their private lives - Chris Sundin was discovered to be gay and Janet Ellis (my favourite presenter of all time) was asked to leave when she became pregnant out of wedlock (the result of this pregnancy was the singer Sophie Ellis Bextor - i'm still unable to watch her perform without bubbling over with resentment because *she* was the reason my beloved Janet was sacked...heh heh...).
One of the running gags about the show over here is the term 'sticky backed plastic' - at the time, the BBC were firmly discouraged from using brand names, so 'sellotape' (the brand name used for what I think you call 'Scotch tape' over the pond) was completely verboten. Another running gag is in regards to Valerie Singleton (probably the most famous and memorable of all the female presenters) and the fact that a good number of British lesbians of a certain age will admit to having mad crushes on her. If I recall, both Coops and I made mention of this during the S3 synopses and awards...
Filbertfox - "Well there you have it...Nikki 'sticky-backed-plastic' Wade's first crush was obviously on Valerie Singleton...there you are you see, beneath all that macho posturing, we knew she was a goody-two shoes really!!!"
Coops - "obviously, like every British dyke over 30, Nikki had a childhood crush on Valerie Singleton"
As Cool has already said, the show had an 'art and crafts' type spot in which the presenter would show you how to make something out of loo rolls, empty washing up liquid bottles and other assorted oddments. Of course, it was all completely impossible - no child had the dexterity to perform such feats of engineering with tissue paper, cardboard and glue and plus...parents would usually get so pissed off with children hanging around their legs, pestering for the washing up liquid bottle or glueing themselves to the furniture that (unless you had the stereotypical 'arts and crafts' type mum who typically wore corduroy flares and a headscarf) you were knackered. All you could do was sit there, close to tears wishing that you too could make your own Barbie sleeping beauty castle for the fraction of a cost of the real deal...'but you hate dolls' my mum would regularly point out...like that mattered...pah!!
Cool is right...the show isn't the institution that it once was...in fact, I get the impression that most kids would rather pop their eyeballs out these days than admit that they watch such an uncool show. But, for those of us who were sitting in front of the TV at the right time, it is one of those things that will never, ever be forgotten... G 2 rank
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:22 am
Please help us dumb Americans
Incidentally, Blue Peter has been in the news here lately. Apparently according to "The Independent" newspaper, "The death of innocence has been announced. Again.Terrible things have been happening on the internet over the past few weeks. Parents and children have been logging on to eBay in order to flog off Blue Peter badges- possibly even fake Blue Peter badges - so that they can gain free entry to zoos and amusement parks. Scandalised zoo-keepers have spoken to the press, the BBC has sworn to take action, and there have been widespread expressions of disappointment at this new low in our nation's sense of morality." - and this is from 31 March, so it is not even an April Fool's joke! It is indeed an institution.
And yes ekny, that marine flag with the ship ready to sail, is the subject of the very badges in question, which were apparently hotly contested and highly prized - possibly because you could gain free entry into these various attractions! I believe that the BBC have now taken the unprecedented step of stopping this free entry privilege, until they can work out what to do! G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:26 am
Here's One I made Earlier
..can I just say in my defence that although I watched Valerie on Blue Peter avidly!!!
I also watch Susan Stranks on Magpie ..as you say a much cooler show..lmso.
I reckon Nikki was a Blue Peter *and* Magpie type so was Yvonne it seems, Blue Peter at least!
I remember making something or other out of papier-mache with tin foil as a pond ..I was so proud of it but it went in the dustbin. My mother dreaded Blue Peter nights!!
Oi not so much of ~~'something the 'poofters down south' would use.'
Agree about 'lover'~ definitely a no-no
My unmarried friends use 'other half' as well as 'partner', although the old fashioned 'better half' is deplorable!!!
Well I love my Peugeot although over the years I've had a lot of trouble with it ..Helen's was a 306 I think very nifty.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:36 am
I read about that too, it's outrageous ..the whole point of a Blue Peter Badge was that you** Earned** it not bought or faked it Shocked
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:01 pm
hello!!!!!
yes sr8 people do ten to use the word *partner*
i hate the word *boyfriend* or *girlfriend*i prefer the word lover or partner .
helen is scottish and so am i so yeah helen does make sensde when she refers to sean as her partner in scotland when you live with someone u refer to them as your partner
theres nothing important about the car its just a car.
i would lyk it because helen has it thats all i much prefer karens car i must say.
Blue peter was a childrens t.v show in scotland i used to watch it all the time. they used to show u how to make thing and stick them together and stuff lyk that
and as for the name i have no idea ,
but being scottish i would say that she was a women who always asked question and was quite annoying hope i answered so of them G3 landing
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abzug PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:30 pm
Wow, thanks everyone! I feel so culturally enriched! In all seriousness, this is extremely helpful--I enjoyed the indepth leve of the analysis. Smile Now, this Magpies show that everyone keeps mentioning, didn't Mandana make some reference to it in the South African trailers? Or in some other outtake somewhere? Or am I confusing that with something else?
Please help us dumb Americans....
I've got a bunch of vocabulary/cultural questions related to various characters/scenes in Bad Girls, and I'm sure I'm not the only one, so I figured I'd start a thread where all us Americans could post and the kind UK-residents would enlighten us. Here's a few I've been puzzling over, to get us started:
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK? Helen uses it in S2E7 in reference to Sean: "Didn't Sean tell you? He's my partner." In the US, only the most liberal liberal straight person would use this term to describe a person of the opposite sex who they were romantically involved with. The word "boyfriend" would be much more common. In fact, I only knew one straight woman ever who referred to her live-in boyfriend as a partner, and it was a big political thing that she did so. Is this true in the UK? Is Helen making some sort of implied progressive political statement by referring to Sean as her partner, or is this just a word that straight people commonly use?
2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?" The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:00 am
Re: Please help us dumb Americans....
abzug wrote:
from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?"
Blue Peter was a children's show from the '70s. It's also slang for dick; also the marine flag indicating a ship was ready to sail (blue with a white square in the middle) was called a Blue Peter, but the first option seems most likely to me.
Paxman was a reporter/interviewer, I think, who was viewed as a bit of a... what do I want to say, political apologist. He may be the same Paxman who went on to host one of those College quiz-type shows, not sure. --e The Garden Assistant
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:52 am
I'm not certain if the UK uses "partner" for reference to their straight "other halves" or not, but I do think that I remember an article which told us about Mandana and her "partner" moving to Spain. (I'm not able to find it at the moment, but I do remember a small tingle of excitement when I read it, because of course I thought "partner"). Laughing Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:21 am
Well....
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK?
Yes it is common for straight folk to use PARTNER rather than boyfriend or girlfriend especially with older people [ie: people out of their teens and 20's]..when *boy*friend or *girl* friend seems a bit twee and silly. It tends to be used by people who are living together rather than just dating. As many people live together as bother to get married these days, using 'partner' infers some sort of committment possibly?
So no, I don't think Helen was making any sort of *statement*, she was letting Nikki [or anyone else] know that she and Sean either lived together or were in some sort of more permament relationship.
2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
Don't know. Peugeot are a popular French car in the UK [we don't really have much of a car industry of our own any more:( ]
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
I have a Peugeot 806, an MPV which I love.
Peugeot do rather sporty versions of their cars but I hadn't picked up on and fuss being made about them?
In what context do you mean?
Karens car is an old MG I think a sort of minor classic car.
3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
As EKNY has said Blue Peter is a children's show. It started in the 60's and went out live ..still does !!
There were/are usually 3 presenters and it was a magazine type format~ activites outside like rock climbing and parachuting ..visitors to the studio. They had the Blue Peter garden , the Blue Peter animals- dogs cats etc to engage children who hadn't any...and each week they would demonstrate a craft activity. Often involving the use of empty washing up liquid bottles, sellotape, cereal boxes and sticky back plastic ...lol
It was a cult show, a mainstay of the BBC, part of being British. Almost a national institution ..has lost a some of it's impact now as kids have so many other things they can watch and do! But even now EVERYONE knows what Blue Peter is!
The shows peak was in the 60's, 70's and into the 80's, so for someone of Nikki's age, or even Yvonnes it would have been part of their childhood.
I guess the reference was made as the 'replacement' knife as an amateur effort with lots of tape ...lmso!!
Jeremy Paxman: Nikki to Yvonne, when Yvonne is interrogating her about whether she has a girlfriend on the outside "Who do you think you are? Jeremy bloody Paxman?"
He is a stroppy git basically ..he presents NewsNight at 10.30pm on BBC2 and has a reputation for hauling Politicians over the coals ..especially when they are trying to avoid answering a question[as politicians do] or blustering. So in that sense he does a good job I suppose.
As EKNY says he is also the Question Master on 'University Challenge' a high brow Quiz show...he harranges the students into answering when their nerves get the better of them and they can't get the answers out ...lol
Again he is a bit of an 'institution'
He can be humourless and a bit of a sour puss. But unrelenting with his questions, hence Nikki's comment.
Hope this is of some help.
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:43 am
Re: Well....
COOLUK1 wrote:
2. What's the deal with the Peugot?
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
COOL Cool[/color]
Shocked Oh my goodness!!! I'm moving to the UK ASAP, as I can obviously drive around with my very own SALOON!!! Luving it!!! Wink
(Thinking that I might ought to let N&HA in on my adventure <not that she drinks>, but 'cuz ... Saloon's ~~ and Texas ~~ ya kneaux!!!)
In fact .... I'm thinking that she could be my DD ... Wink We can tour Europe!!! I'll pay ~~~ Laughing
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n&haddict PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:52 am
Re: Well....
GeauxGurl wrote:
COOLUK1 wrote:
2. What's the deal with the Peugot?
They come in various sizes, starting out with a small hatchback the 106 then the 206, 306. The 406 is a larger saloon and so on.
COOL Cool[/color]
Shocked Oh my goodness!!! I'm moving to the UK ASAP, as I can obviously drive around with my very own SALOON!!! Luving it!!! Wink
(Thinking that I might ought to let N&HA in on my adventure <not that she drinks>, but 'cuz ... Saloon's ~~ and Texas ~~ ya kneaux!!!)
In fact .... I'm thinking that she could be my DD ... Wink We can tour Europe!!! I'll pay ~~~ Laughing
Wanna come along, COOL????
What's this GG going on an adventure? We have Saloon's here in Texas for sure. Tour Europe I'm all for it but before heading to Europe let's make a little stop in Milwaukee for the Muppet Party!!!! Laughing Laughing Laughing
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Here in Oz for a married couple the term partner would not be used.......either husband or wife..........the younger generation still refer to boyfriends and girlfriends but in the instance of either a straight or gay couple actually living together in a permanent relationship it is commonly said partner.........I have heard gay couples say life partners on occassion.....I think in part it has become a more of a politically correct statement as before I had heard many cohabiting couples being called defacto....or in defacto relationships.........it sounds much nicer saying this is my partner ........as for the rest of the question I think our British friends have answered that for us all as I too had no idea of what was meant......it is both fun and interesting to get to know and understand the various terms and phrases from around the globe...we all have our own brand of "Lingo"........ G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 7:51 am
Please help us dumb Americans....
Meant to say~ NOT dumb ..just not familiar with...!!
We have quite a lot of American TV over here so l guess we get used to a lot of American turns of phrase and expressions...and some cultural references.
We have even picked up some Aussie expressions through daily doses Neighbours and Home and Away...lol
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filbertfox PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:43 am
Re: Please help us dumb Americans....
Just adding on to the replies to this so far...
abzug wrote:
1. Do straight people use the word "partner" in the UK? Helen uses it in S2E7 in reference to Sean: "Didn't Sean tell you? He's my partner." In the US, only the most liberal liberal straight person would use this term to describe a person of the opposite sex who they were romantically involved with. The word "boyfriend" would be much more common. In fact, I only knew one straight woman ever who referred to her live-in boyfriend as a partner, and it was a big political thing that she did so. Is this true in the UK? Is Helen making some sort of implied progressive political statement by referring to Sean as her partner, or is this just a word that straight people commonly use?
This I think is really debateable. Over time, the term is a lot more prevalent, but certainly in my experience, about 5-10 years ago it was regularly assumed that if you said you had a partner, you were gay. Nowadays, I think people use it because it's a more adult way of saying that you live with your girlfriend/boyfriend...oh, and not many Brits say 'lover' btw, it's a word with way too many sexual connotations for many of us to feel comfortable using...
Maybe because I still consider myself as a six-year-old in an adult's body, I avoid the term like the plague...way, way too adult for me. But then I also have northern, working class roots so it also comes across as too 'poncey' and middle-class, something the 'poofters down south' would use. On the whole, I've always used the term 'my other half' or 't'other half' or 'er indoors'...arrrggggh!! I'm a walking, Coronation Street type cliche!!!
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2. What's the deal with the Peugot? Everyone talks about it, but I think I don't understand the cultural connotations of that car. Clearly it contrasts with Karen's little sporty convertible, but otherwise I'm clueless.
This was something I never understood. A number of the people I know absolutely swear by Peugeots and would never drive anything else (they're reliable cars with a far amount of vrooom under the bonnet), but as far as I know, there aren't any connotations attached to owning one.
Discounting the fact that Karen is a babe...i've always thought that there was something quite endearing about her choice to drive such a 'classic' British car when it must have cost an absolute fortune to keep it roadworthy.
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3. Two cultural references from S3E3 which I have absolutely no idea about:
Blue Peter: When Nikki puts together the fake knife so the screws don't know the knife has gone missing, Yvonne indicates its not a very good imitation, saying: "What do you think this is, bleedin' Blue Peter?"
Several people have already provided explanations, but I can't resist putting in my own two penneth...
Back in the 70's/80's, what type of child you were depended on which show you watched. If you watched Blue Peter (a BBC show btw), you were a 'swotty smarty pants' - i.e. prefect material, someone who conformed. On the other hand, if you watched 'the other side' (ITV) and their equivalent show 'Magpie', you were considered to be much more of a cooler kid - bit of a rebel, backchats the teachers etc etc...
Now, just to lower the tone here somewhat...although I was a diehard Blue Peter fan, I did occasionally switch over to watch Magpie in order to ogle Jenny Hanley's very prominent nipples...which, for those of us of a certain age became sort of a national institution.
During that time, Blue Peter was produced by a woman called Biddy Baxter and it was her desire to use the show to imbue children with orthodox family values. As a result, Blue Peter presenters (of which there were 3, usually 2 blokes and a woman) had to be straight-as-a-die, Anglo Saxon and have absolutely no skeletons in their closets - during my time, two presenters were sacked when the press caught on to iffy goings-on in their private lives - Chris Sundin was discovered to be gay and Janet Ellis (my favourite presenter of all time) was asked to leave when she became pregnant out of wedlock (the result of this pregnancy was the singer Sophie Ellis Bextor - i'm still unable to watch her perform without bubbling over with resentment because *she* was the reason my beloved Janet was sacked...heh heh...).
One of the running gags about the show over here is the term 'sticky backed plastic' - at the time, the BBC were firmly discouraged from using brand names, so 'sellotape' (the brand name used for what I think you call 'Scotch tape' over the pond) was completely verboten. Another running gag is in regards to Valerie Singleton (probably the most famous and memorable of all the female presenters) and the fact that a good number of British lesbians of a certain age will admit to having mad crushes on her. If I recall, both Coops and I made mention of this during the S3 synopses and awards...
Filbertfox - "Well there you have it...Nikki 'sticky-backed-plastic' Wade's first crush was obviously on Valerie Singleton...there you are you see, beneath all that macho posturing, we knew she was a goody-two shoes really!!!"
Coops - "obviously, like every British dyke over 30, Nikki had a childhood crush on Valerie Singleton"
As Cool has already said, the show had an 'art and crafts' type spot in which the presenter would show you how to make something out of loo rolls, empty washing up liquid bottles and other assorted oddments. Of course, it was all completely impossible - no child had the dexterity to perform such feats of engineering with tissue paper, cardboard and glue and plus...parents would usually get so pissed off with children hanging around their legs, pestering for the washing up liquid bottle or glueing themselves to the furniture that (unless you had the stereotypical 'arts and crafts' type mum who typically wore corduroy flares and a headscarf) you were knackered. All you could do was sit there, close to tears wishing that you too could make your own Barbie sleeping beauty castle for the fraction of a cost of the real deal...'but you hate dolls' my mum would regularly point out...like that mattered...pah!!
Cool is right...the show isn't the institution that it once was...in fact, I get the impression that most kids would rather pop their eyeballs out these days than admit that they watch such an uncool show. But, for those of us who were sitting in front of the TV at the right time, it is one of those things that will never, ever be forgotten... G 2 rank
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:22 am
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Incidentally, Blue Peter has been in the news here lately. Apparently according to "The Independent" newspaper, "The death of innocence has been announced. Again.Terrible things have been happening on the internet over the past few weeks. Parents and children have been logging on to eBay in order to flog off Blue Peter badges- possibly even fake Blue Peter badges - so that they can gain free entry to zoos and amusement parks. Scandalised zoo-keepers have spoken to the press, the BBC has sworn to take action, and there have been widespread expressions of disappointment at this new low in our nation's sense of morality." - and this is from 31 March, so it is not even an April Fool's joke! It is indeed an institution.
And yes ekny, that marine flag with the ship ready to sail, is the subject of the very badges in question, which were apparently hotly contested and highly prized - possibly because you could gain free entry into these various attractions! I believe that the BBC have now taken the unprecedented step of stopping this free entry privilege, until they can work out what to do! G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:26 am
Here's One I made Earlier
..can I just say in my defence that although I watched Valerie on Blue Peter avidly!!!
I also watch Susan Stranks on Magpie ..as you say a much cooler show..lmso.
I reckon Nikki was a Blue Peter *and* Magpie type so was Yvonne it seems, Blue Peter at least!
I remember making something or other out of papier-mache with tin foil as a pond ..I was so proud of it but it went in the dustbin. My mother dreaded Blue Peter nights!!
Oi not so much of ~~'something the 'poofters down south' would use.'
Agree about 'lover'~ definitely a no-no
My unmarried friends use 'other half' as well as 'partner', although the old fashioned 'better half' is deplorable!!!
Well I love my Peugeot although over the years I've had a lot of trouble with it ..Helen's was a 306 I think very nifty.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:36 am
I read about that too, it's outrageous ..the whole point of a Blue Peter Badge was that you** Earned** it not bought or faked it Shocked
Just checked on Ebay there are 181 badges for sale ....Sad G3 landing
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 1:01 pm
hello!!!!!
yes sr8 people do ten to use the word *partner*
i hate the word *boyfriend* or *girlfriend*i prefer the word lover or partner .
helen is scottish and so am i so yeah helen does make sensde when she refers to sean as her partner in scotland when you live with someone u refer to them as your partner
theres nothing important about the car its just a car.
i would lyk it because helen has it thats all i much prefer karens car i must say.
Blue peter was a childrens t.v show in scotland i used to watch it all the time. they used to show u how to make thing and stick them together and stuff lyk that
and as for the name i have no idea ,
but being scottish i would say that she was a women who always asked question and was quite annoying hope i answered so of them G3 landing
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abzug PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:30 pm
Wow, thanks everyone! I feel so culturally enriched! In all seriousness, this is extremely helpful--I enjoyed the indepth leve of the analysis. Smile Now, this Magpies show that everyone keeps mentioning, didn't Mandana make some reference to it in the South African trailers? Or in some other outtake somewhere? Or am I confusing that with something else?
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:44 pm
She did indeed..well remembered!!
At the time BP started we only and 2 TV channels in the UK, later came BBC2, so there was great rivalry between BBC1 [BP] and ITV [Magpie]Even now we only have 5 terrestrial channels. SO the kids shows made a big impact as there was so little choice of things to watch. G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:33 pm
I'm sorry...but i'm still thinking about Jenny Hanley's nipples...
I really must get out more... G 2 rank
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:47 pm
COOLUK1 wrote:
She did indeed..well remembered!!
At the time BP started we only and 2 TV channels in the UK, later came BBC2, so there was great rivalry between BBC1 [BP] and ITV [Magpie]Even now we only have 5 terrestrial channels. SO the kids shows made a big impact as there was so little choice of things to watch.
What wuz the reference re: "Magpie" that Mandana mentioned? Anyone remember?? Rolling Eyes Don't you wish it was electric
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abzug PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 4:31 pm
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What wuz the reference re: "Magpie" that Mandana mentioned? Anyone remember?? Rolling Eyes
Wasn't it in the South African trailer, right after she introduces herself as Nikki Wade and then starts laughing and mumbles, I'm not, I'm Mandana Jones, and then comes the Magpie reference. Of course, I don't have the clip here at work, so I am just going by memory.... The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:14 pm
abzug wrote:
Wasn't it in the South African trailer, right after she introduces herself as Nikki Wade and then starts laughing and mumbles, I'm not, I'm Mandana Jones, and then comes the Magpie reference.
3.08 "Get me a job on Magpie, 'cause I'm _____ fast."
Since this topic is going so well, I had a couple other to add in.
In S2ep7, Sylvia makes several references that, although clear, sound like they might be to specific products (i.e. "Kleenex" rather than tissues). Can anyone help out here?
1) When 'showing' Barbara how she wants the office cleaned, she says, "Makes a change to have a professional Mrs Mop inside." [8.31]
Mrs Mop?
2) Sylvia's response when Crystal tells her Zandra isn't using drugs: "That's right. And I'm off chocolate fingers." [13.30]
Chocolate fingers? The Garden Assistant
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:33 pm
emmm yeah a miss mop is just someone who cleans lyk a cleans in the centre, scholl, anywhere
there are called miss mops its just a funny and cheeky name
2. yeah sylvia and her choco fingers she loves them bodybag always has choco finger i remember in series 3 in the riot and maxi goes in the office and she flings choco finger at the gitl on watch G3 landing
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abzug PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:22 pm
But what are these mysterious chocolate fingers? Are they like, the quintessential british cookie? Like, say, equivalent to our Oreos? Meaning a cookie that absolutely everyone knows, and everyone eats, and is arguably the most popular cookie in the US. Or are they are more like Mallomars, which are also a well-known cookie, but a bit more regional (they are particularly popular in the northeast, and New York specifically) but have entered the public consciousness through references in movies like "When Harry Met Sally." You might reference Mallomars if you wanted to seem a bit hipster, or just the tiniest bit esoteric, to indicate that the character likes the cookies because they are truly the world's best cookie (as Harry says) rather than just the cookies that we've been marketed to like.
Or, are chocolate fingers like an old lady kind of cookie? I'm hard-pressed to think of an American equivalent, but you get what I mean, right?
Or, it just occurs to me, are they not even a brand at all, but more like a type of cookie, a category like chocolate chip cookies, or something like that? The Garden Assistant
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:30 pm
oh right sorry emmm
chocolate fingers are quite dear to buy but everyone know what they are emm they are a very very good band and taste delisous ive got a pack in front of me but they are the mini ones ill write what its says
Mini crisp biscuits covered in milk chocolate!!!1
does that answer ur question+ G3 landing
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loonysarah PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:37 pm
Firstly without meaning to cause any offense to ppl who wish to sell chocolate fingers on ebay, i'll just have a little laugh all to myself Laughing Laughing Laughing
Now, i am absolutely rubbish with computers and putting pictures up on threads, so when someone needs a pick i go to my trusted ebay to see if someone is selling what i'm looking for, as they are, can you believe people buy and sell choclate fingers on ebay. Anyway heres a box to look at hope it helps with understanding what they are, if you want a closer picture you can ask seller yourself, i'm not brave enough, lol
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cadbury-Milk-Chocola...1QQcmdZViewItem Sophies World reader
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SimoneIsAnAngel PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:41 pm
lol Oh, the wonders of internet auctions Laughing
I don't know if i'd be able to describe them any better, other than it is a long, finger shaped biscuit, coated in Milk Chocolate...and very tasty indeed. Very Happy G3 landing
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loonysarah PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:46 pm
yes they are very nice, shall we send you a pack? Laughing Laughing
Even have a caramel pack on there, didn't know which to post.
Yes isn't it wierd just what you can buy on ebay, with that seller you can even stock up on tea bags and gravy Shocked Guess he owns a shop, can't imagine why you'd really bid for that and pay postage, if you can't be bothered to go shop, order online with tesco!! bet it would arive a bit faster. Sophies World reader
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:05 pm
Again Cabury's chocolate fingers are a sort of an 'institution'..in our family only bought for high days and holidays ...lol. ?I'm not that keen actually.
There is a big demand by Ex-pats for Uk food items..I'm sure I saw a mention on TV about a Grocers shop in NY somewhere selling PG Tips tea, HP sauce, Cadbury's Chocolate etc...so I guess Ebay was the next step! G3 landing
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:10 pm
OMG i just can belive people are that sad hehe
well i guess it just incase ppl from america or that want uik food right G3 landing
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:55 pm
Please help us dumb Americans
I love the eBay description of the "Condition" of the Chocolate Fingers - "New"! Laughing Yeah right! Like anyone is going to buy somebody's half chewed, used box of Choc Fingers!
I suppose the biscuit of a Chocolate Finger is a bit like a crisp/hardish shortbread, dipped in chocolate. They are about the thickness of your little finger and probably slightly longer than your middle finger. There is a comedy show on television here called "The Vicar of Dibley", in which one of the characters, the (lady) vicar's rather eccentric assistant Alice(who has an obsession with the Teletubbies and is rather innocent and childlike), does a very suggestive thing with a Chocolate Finger in her mouth, having just said that she loves to lick and suck the chocolate off the finger before she eats it! G 2 rank
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loonysarah PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:09 am
Lol, the first two lines had me laughing love the "As if you'd want someones half chewed box of chocolate fingers" Laughing Laughing
Anyway how did all this come about was it from talk of bodybags chocolate fingers or was it from the ep with the riot because bodybags fingers are stolen and you should be able to see the pack, failing that, far from me not to complete reasearch to a satisfactory standard.
www.cadbury.co.uk
check out the website, lol Laughing Laughing (gives it a rest with the chocolate fingers now, i shall never eat them again!!) Sophies World reader
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Evangelist PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:45 am
COOLUK1 wrote:
There is a big demand by Ex-pats for Uk food items..I'm sure I saw a mention on TV about a Grocers shop in NY somewhere selling PG Tips tea, HP sauce, Cadbury's Chocolate etc...so I guess Ebay was the next step!
Yeah, Ex-pats and loony Americans who've acquired certain habits from living in London. Razz SF has a huge Irish community as well, so one of the local grocers has a special section for British/Irish food stuffs....along with special sections for other ethnic food.
Not big on the chocolate fingers...but I get the occasional craving for British baked beans...which I had for breakfast this past weekend (on toast of course).
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abzug PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:57 am
Wow, thanks for the copious information about chocolate fingers (which I am totally going to try when I am in the UK this summer!). Now, what about Mrs. Mop? Have we really learned everything there is to learn about her? I'm guessing there's more trivia out there.... The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:36 am
MRS MOP...'can l do you now Sir?'
In British sitcoms and earlier, Radio shows and even further back Musichall ~cleaners have often been a comedic tool . ..I suppose you could call The Julies, Mrs Mops.
Mrs Mop is used, not as term of derision, but it sort of imlpies that a women isn't fit to do anything else but clean. Or is a right old fuss pot always pottering about domestically.
Then again it can be used with affection. G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:58 am
Must add here, Maxi's exact line upon handing over the chocolate fingers was...
"Chocolate fingers. (Throws packet of chocolate fingers at extra who catches them) Wash them first though, in case they're Hollamby's...don't know where she might've had 'em!"
I think what she was actually inferring was that Bodybag might have had a Marianne Faithful type 'Mars Bar' moment...yeuuuchh!!!
Chocolate fingers are fab...I don't know about anyone else, but on the rare occasions I buy a packet I have to be restrained from eating the whole lot in one go...they're so moorish...
Like everyone else has said, 'Mrs Mop' is a nickname often applied to cleaning ladies. Thinking about it, I suppose the character Hilda Ogden from the soap 'Coronation Street' is the ultimate 'Mrs Mop'...she was common as muck (but tended to put on a posh accent when speaking to anyone 'important'), wore rollers underneath her headscarf and a housecoat (similar to the pink pinny Nikki wore in S2Ep12), was always gossiping and tended to sing a lot in a high pitched, out of tune warble. See here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_Ogden
As you'll notice, cleaning ladies are also sometimes known as the 'char lady' over here. The word I think is a derivative of the Chinese character 'cha' - the word for tea leaves or tea as a drink in many countries has its origins in this word. 'Char' is another word for tea, i.e. "a cuppa char", and so, I suppose you could called Barbara, G-Wing's 'char-lady".
Really, the image of the archetypal 'Mrs Mop' has more or less disappeared over here now seeing as most big firms use contract cleaning firms who tend to employ a lot of immigrants. G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:37 pm
Re: Redband
Wow, you guys are definitely on a roll! Thx for the clear cultural descriptions. Since you've been so helpful, I'd like to ask about Redband, the word. (Or, red bands.) I know what it means--that the prisoner has a better job/enhanced status because they're viewed as trustworthy. What I'm not at all clear about is where the term comes from.
I've looked all around, so assume I'm using bad search terms, bec I can't find anything. It's obviously British, & obviously old: Sarah Waters uses it in Night Watch.
My current guess is that it dates from WWI, where staff officers wore red bands around their helmets. If anyone has additional info though, I'd be most grateful.
Btw, this is all going to good use: Abzug & I are gradually trying to build up a Bad Girls glossary. No time-line in sight, it's obviously a rather long project. But threads like this are tremendously helpful. How else would we ever have understood 'lager louts'?! ;)
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In what context is it used in Night Watch ekny? (Haven't got around to reading it yet!) Because the only reference that I can find to it is as the prison terminology. Oxford say it is "Applied to a privileged prisoner, allowed to carry out special duties" and they only date it from 1950. The only military reference along the same lines, is "red-hat" (dated 1916), which is given as you've suggested, as "British; applied to an army staff officer; from the red cap-bands of senior officers in the British army". Then there is "red cap" a term for Military police, which they date from 1919 and give as "British; from the colour of their caps"! (Gosh! That's a surprise, I'd have never have guessed that!) G 2 rank
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:29 am
I was told by two people this evening, one gay and one straight, that Americans (or New Yorkers at least) would use the term partner to describe a heterosexual boyfriend or girlfriend who they live with. I still don't quite believe it, but I wanted to post this, for the record. The Garden Assistant
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In what context is it used in Night Watch ekny? (Haven't got around to reading it yet!) Because the only reference that I can find to it is as the prison terminology. Oxford say it is "Applied to a privileged prisoner, allowed to carry out special duties" and they only date it from 1950
I can't recall where in the book it showed up--toward the last third, I think--but definitely noted it. The setting by that point is 1944 or '41, but it is fiction. The Garden Assistant
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:41 am
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Wow, you guys are definitely on a roll! Thx for the clear cultural descriptions. Since you've been so helpful, I'd like to ask about Redband, the word. (Or, red bands.) I know what it means--that the prisoner has a better job/enhanced status because they're viewed as trustworthy. What I'm not at all clear about is where the term comes from.
I have no idea about this...
Maybe red-bands used to wear a 'red-band' somewhere on their prison uniform to denote their status?? G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:40 am
I would guess that originally RED was used for a cloth band, as the colour stands out the most. So it was easier for the officers to see from a distance that it was a red-band going about their business and not an ordinary prisoner being where they shouldn't.
At funerals mourners wear arm black bands, football captains wear arm bands on the pitch to denote their status ..a band seems to be the preferred method, it can be seen from more angles than something like a badge on the back or the front....yet is not as inconvenient to wear as , say , a tabard like the prisoners do in the visitors room.
Why or how or where [or who] it actually started remains a mystery.
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:09 pm
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Hmmm...would that be a fake Blue Peter badge or a genuine one Cool? Very Happy G 2 rank
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:24 pm
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Sarah Waters uses it in Night Watch.
(psssst, E ~~~ I kneaux that this off subject, but since you brought it up Wink ~~~ I wuz about to order this book and just wondered if you liked it or not?? I've really enjoyed her other books!!) Thanks! Very Happy Don't you wish it was electric
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Xenclair PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:42 pm
Interesting post, I am enjoying it.
Another question: What is "B-Petetra" "It's like being on 'B-Petetra" Mandana says in the trailer.
I always thought Mandana meant a job at McDonalds, thought she said "Mac pie" and that was a slang for McDonalds.*BG*
We have a little animated gecko who talks cockney, really cute, he advertises an insurance company, too cute. He says "Everyone likes pie and chips"
Does "pie" mean burger?
PS I am reading Sarah Waters "Affinty" finished "Tipping the Velvet" loved it! Don't you wish it was electric
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:51 pm
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(psssst, E ~~~ I kneaux that this off subject, but since you brought it up ;) ~~~ I wuz about to order this book and just wondered if you liked it or not?? I've really enjoyed her other books!!) Thanks! :-D
I found it depressing but of course well-written; other people seem to have enjoyed it so I'll let them do the talking on this one, I think. I adore SW, don't get me wrong, but this is a WWII book w/an ensemble cast, a very different setting & agenda, I think, than her previous works.
CBG started a thread called "SW is a BG fan" which has some posts you might want to take a look at. I haven't hyperlinked to other posts before so apologies if I don't do this right! ;) The first is a review by Michele Roberts; in the second, Abzug discusses her responses, mainly positive. --e
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:26 pm
Interesting post, I am enjoying it.
Another question: What is "B-Petetra" "It's like being on 'B-Petetra" Mandana says in the trailer. I always thought Mandana meant a job at McDonalds, thought she said "Mac pie" and that was a slang for McDonalds.*BG*
Oooo you've not been paying attention have you Xenlclare...it's Blue Peter the kids show we've been talking about....lol
"it's like being on Blue Peter"
We have a little animated gecko who talks cockney, really cute, he advertises an insurance company, too cute. He says "Everyone likes pie and chips"
Does "pie" mean burger?
No pie means a pie. In our fish and chip shops [chips as in fries not what you call pototo chips] you can also buy various meat pies, ie cooked meat in gravy covered with pastry...so 'pie and chips'
In parts of London they have a dish called pie and mash...very traditional
About pie & mash The history of London food...
Pie and Mash is quite simply the most traditional food that London has to offer. Forget your chip shops and burger bars, "Eel Pie and Mash Houses" have been around since the 18th century - the first ones opening in pre-Dickensian and Victorian London.
Our hand made Pie and Mash consists of:
100% minced beef Pie
Mashed Potato
Hand made and freshly prepared pastry
Traditional Liquor (a special sauce made to a secret family recipe)
At Goddard's, we offer a variety of other pies to suit all tastes, click here to see what else we offer.
One of the major influences over the food traditions in London was the river Thames. It provided fish, both fresh and salt water, meat, vegetables and fruit were transported from around Britain, and spices and exotic foods from all over the world. The importance of the trading ships and the great markets like Billingsgate, Spitalfield and Smithfield can be seen in the names of roads in the East End, such as Bread Street, Milk Street and Fish Street.
Perhaps the most famous London dish is the Cockney speciality, jellied eels, caught locally and further out in the Thames Estuary. Made by boiling the eels with plenty of herbs and allowing small pieces to cool and form their own jelly (or by adding a helping portion of using gelatine). The taste is similar to that of pickled herring, but the softer texture can put people off.
The other great working class tradition is pie and mash. Historically, the pies were made from scraps of beef and vegetables, leftovers or from the local markets, under a pastry crust. The mashed potatoes were liberally covered in parsley gravy or "liquor". There has been a great revival in these dishes and quite a number of Pie ‘n’ Mash restaurants can now be found across London.
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Oooo you've not been paying attention have you Xenlclare...it's Blue Peter the kids show we've been talking about....lol
"it's like being on Blue Peter"
*LOL* I have really. Very Happy thought it was just the knife and the "Magiepie" comment you were talking about.
Thanks "pie" is "pie" I knew chips were fries.
jellied eel....uck! Don't you wish it was electric
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:45 pm
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jellied eel....uck!
And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer.... Wink The Garden Assistant
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And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer....
I wouldn't sample any of that,eel stuff, if you paid me.
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:58 pm
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And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer....
I wouldn't sample any of that,eel stuff, if you paid me.
Cool,you going on a trip to Britain, neato!
Haggis?! Eeew, mon. The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:00 pm
There are two Blue Peter references..one in BG with Yvonne, about the looky-likey knife made with lots of sticky tape etc..and in The SA trailers.
Mandana says 'It's like being on Blue Peter' I guess because they were talking straight to camera like the BP presenters do..??
When she fluffs her lines she says something like 'Get me a job on Magpie, quick' Magpie being BP's rival show it was just a wee joke on her part....lmso
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Pies~We also have cornish pasties which are a semi circular shape with meat and vegetroubles in them.
What do you call 'pies' then.
Jellied eels...yummmm [NOT] never been brave enough to try... Laughing
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yeah heard about that, wouldn't eat that either.UCK!
Haggis?! That is scottish right? Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 pm
HAGGIS is really nice actually. Pubs serve it on Burns Night down here in the south, even non Scots like it.
Great with mash and bashed neeps...where are our resident Scots ??? G3 landing
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 pm
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What do you call 'pies' then.
Well, we'd call these pies as well, but we don't eat many meat-type pies here, usually they are fruit-type pies (apple, blueberry, pumpkin etc) and are eaten as dessert. The only meat-type pie I see offered with any regularity is what we call "chicken pot pie" which is chunks of chicken and veggies and some kind of sauce served in a pie crust. Can be very yummy. The Garden Assistant
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What do you call 'pies' then.
pastries crust and filling inside, mostly our pies are fruit ones. But we have "Pot pies" too, fill with meat, potatoes and veggies.
So 'pies' are 'pies' both sides of the pond. Don't you wish it was electric
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:07 pm
What is "haggis" specifically? Was it already mentioned up-thread? I took a look but couldn't find it.... The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:14 pm
Haggis
The sheep's stomach sounds disgusting ..not sure if they still use them these days but you don't eat that part anyway ..just the inside part.
Haggis Recipes
Haggis "is typically served on Burns Night, January 25, when Scotland celebrates the birth of its greatest poet, Robert Burns, who was born in Ayrshire on that date in 1759. During the celebration, Burns poems are read, and the haggis is addressed by a member of the party, ceremonially, in the form of verses from Burns' poem, 'Address to a Haggis.' A typical meal for Burns Night would include Cock-a-Leekie, Haggis with Tatties-an'-Neeps, Roastit Beef, Tipsy Laird, and Dunlop Cheese. Whisky is also served
Traditional Haggis
1 sheep's pluck (stomach bag)
2 lb.. dry oatmeal
1 lb. suet
1 lb. lamb's liver
2 1/2 cups stock
1 large chopped onion
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper, Jamaica pepper and salt
Boil liver and parboil the onion, then mince them together. Lightly brown the oatmeal. Mix all ingredients together. Fill the sheep's pluck with the mixture pressing it down to remove all the air, and sew up securely. Prick the haggis in several places so that it does not burst. Place haggis in boiling water and boil slowly for 4-5 hours. Serves approximately 12.
Americanized Haggis
1 lb boneless lamb shoulder or breast, cut into pieces (or ground lamb)
1/2 lb lamb liver, cut into pieces
1/2 c water
1 small onion, coarsely chopped
1 large egg
3/4 ts salt
3/4 ts pepper, black
1/2 ts sugar
1/4 ts ginger, ground
1/8 ts cloves, ground
1/8 ts nutmeg, ground
1 c oats, rolled, old fashioned
Heat oven to 350-F. Grease an 8 1/2 by 4 1/2 inch loaf pan.
In food processor with chopping blade, process together half of the lamb, the liver, water, onion, egg, salt, pepper, sugar, ginger, cloves, and nutmeg until well combined. Add the remaining half of the lamb and the oats; process until well combined.
Spoon lamb mixture into the greased pan; pat surface to level. Bake 45 to 55 minutes or until center feels firm when gently pressed. Cool 5 minutes in pan; unmold onto platter; slice and serve.
Notes: This skinless haggis is planned for American tastes, yet contains many of the ingredients found in the real thing. You can unmold the loaf and serve it in place of the purchased haggis recipes. G3 landing
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SimoneIsAnAngel PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:27 pm
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HAGGIS is really nice actually. Pubs serve it on Burns Night down here in the south, even non Scots like it.
Great with mash and bashed neeps...where are our resident Scots ???
British Here's one resident Scot, Cool Very Happy Well, what do i say about Haggis, other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me eat puke I may be a Jock, but i cant stomach it!! potato scones,or black pudding though, now them i love. I miss them, and like a few other Scottish things, i can't get them in London Crying or Very sad G3 landing
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Jeanna PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:20 pm
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I love the eBay description of the "Condition" of the Chocolate Fingers - "New"! Laughing Yeah right! Like anyone is going to buy somebody's half chewed, used box of Choc Fingers!
I suppose the biscuit of a Chocolate Finger is a bit like a crisp/hardish shortbread, dipped in chocolate. They are about the thickness of your little finger and probably slightly longer than your middle finger. There is a comedy show on television here called "The Vicar of Dibley", in which one of the characters, the (lady) vicar's rather eccentric assistant Alice(who has an obsession with the Teletubbies and is rather innocent and childlike), does a very suggestive thing with a Chocolate Finger in her mouth, having just said that she loves to lick and suck the chocolate off the finger before she eats it!
We have Dawn French's very amusing britcom here as well, on american 'public' tv. And I well remember dippy Alice's scene that you describe.
I do hear more and more would-be american sophisticates describing their significant others to whom they are not married as partners. This may become very confusing when Hollywood actors (esp. a reputed bisexual such as Drew Barrymore) indiscriminately use the term on chat shows when referring to their dating/living with partners and their business partners. She, in particular, has raised eyebrows several times by pointing out female companions in said situation as her 'partner.' Whether business or otherwise (or both?!) is left entirely up to prurient minds and interpretation.
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Cadbury's Chocolate Fingers are available over here virtually everywhere I shop! You mean...really...you've never seen them in New York?
chopped chicken liver...my favorite ethnic food...on a fresh warm bagel...lord love a duck! My mouth is watering even as I speak...er...type
meat pies...Abzug, think of "Sweeney Todd" :)
Haggis...just as scary as I'd always heard
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:32 pm
hmmmm...
Haggis : other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me
Are you SURE you're Scottish???????
You'll be telling me next that you don't like Moria Anderson or Andy Stewart
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Haggis really isn't that scary...I've had the real thing here in SF. Must be the wee bit of Scots blood in me... Laughing
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:50 pm
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Cadbury's Chocolate Fingers are available over here virtually everywhere I shop! You mean...really...you've never seen them in New York?
[...]
meat pies...Abzug, think of "Sweeney Todd" :)
I've definitely seen them around in NY, but I wanted to know what they meant, like, culturally-speaking. Smile
And how funny you mention Sweeney Todd--I'm seeing the latest revival tomorrow night, the one with Patti LuPone. And it'll be even better, now that I've got meat pies on the brain! The Garden Assistant
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Jeanna PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:07 pm
I Would LOVE to see that!
The worst pies in London,
Even that's polite!
The worst pies in London,
If you doubt it, take a bite!
Is that just disgusting?
You have to concede it!
It's nothing but crusting!
Here, drink this, you'll need it!
The worst pies in London...
And no wonder with the price of meat
What it is
When you get it
Never
Thought I'd live to see the day
Men'd think it was a treat
Findin' poor
Animals
Wot are dyin' in the street!
Mrs. Mooney has a pie shop!
Does a business but I notice something weird.
Lately all her neighbors' cats have disappeared!
Have to hand it to her --
Wot I calls
Enterprise
Poppin' pussies into pies
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Just the thought of it's enough to make you sick.
And I'm tellin' ya,
Them pussy cats is quick!
Hehe. Yeah, I can't wait to see it, actually. Its one of the best musicals ever written, in my humble opinion. I've seen three productions before, but its one of those shows which is just always worth seeing again. Kind of like all the Helen and Nikki episodes of Bad Girls! The Garden Assistant
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I saw the original production at least 3 times on B'way. Loved it. G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:21 pm
Ooooo...
....you culture vultures ...lmso G3 landing
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Here's one resident Scot, Cool Well, what do i say about Haggis, other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me
I tried Haggis when I visited Scotland, and it wasn't bad at all. Actually, I ate most of it.
I also ate horse meat in Belgium, although I didn't know it 'til afterwards or I wouldn't have even tried it. Sad Apparently it's a delicacy there. Shared Cell
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That sounds like a modern day haggis recipe Cool, I think it was originally made with heart, liver and lungs as well! Eeeuuw! But you're right, it doesn't taste that bad actually and you can even get vegetarian ones up in Scotland, if you can't "stomach" the idea of pluck and liver! But black pudding SIAA, now that really is disgusting! Steer away from that Americans! And don't be fooled by the name, it isn't a pudding at all, but a thick, dark sausage made from blood and fat and then sliced and fried! Not good! And as for jellied eels...well, I think I prefer my jelly with a fruity taste! Laughing
Culturally speaking abzug, I don't think that Chocolate Fingers occupy quite the same hallowed ground as your Oreos seem to, which I think is the question you asked! And I think you and Jeanna should be reassured that the pies here don't generally contain people whose haircuts went wrong - some of them just taste like they might! Very Happy G 2 rank
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filbertfox PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:03 am
Interesting discussion here...
Haggis is bleurgh!! My step-mum's step-dad is Scottish and in the pub he used to own, he always dished the stuff up on New Years Eve...
Adding onto what Cool was saying about chip shop pies...these are a real regional thing, we have something called a 'Clarks pie' down in Wales - minced beef, onion and gravy inside what tastes like home-made pastry - yum. Up in Stoke we had a 'Walkers' pie...oh, and for some reason, the further south you go, the less chance you have of finding a chip shop that will serve you gravy with your chips...bloomin' barbarians!!
Thanks to my dad and his regular jobs abroad, i've eaten crocodile, snake, locusts, jellyfish and camel. Yukkiest thing was sea cucumber - horrible texture and almost tasteless...I much preferred playing with live ones anyway - if you're careful, you can pick them up out of the sea and then gently squeeze one end - a water pistol a la mother nature!! Who needs Blue Peter??? G 2 rank
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"! G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:42 pm
Gravy on chips Filbert???
..Ooo we don't have that down here but you can get mushy peas in chips shops..yummm
I've eaten Ostrich, Venison and Springbok in London restaurants ..ooo and frogs legs and snails in France but only a wee morsel just to say I'd tried them! G3 landing
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"!
Do you know which specific episode this is in? We're keeping track not only of the words and their definitions, but also the episodes and the timing, so that one day you'll be able to look terms up alphabetically, or by episode. This may be overly ambitious of us, but its always good to aim high, no? The Garden Assistant
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Do you know which specific episode this is in? We're keeping track not only of the words and their definitions, but also the episodes and the timing, so that one day you'll be able to look terms up alphabetically, or by episode. This may be overly ambitious of us, but its always good to aim high, no?
Off the top of my head, I think it may be S2ep6. G 2 rank
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Off the top of my head, I think it may be S2ep6.
Geez, I can't think why we're all so well-acquainted with that ep. ;) The Garden Assistant
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"!
Thanks very much indeed, that's very helpful, exactly the kind of odd regionalism we're trying to nail down! Would you mind giving me the complete book title again so I can reference the place we got the definition? Thanks again!
She did indeed..well remembered!!
At the time BP started we only and 2 TV channels in the UK, later came BBC2, so there was great rivalry between BBC1 [BP] and ITV [Magpie]Even now we only have 5 terrestrial channels. SO the kids shows made a big impact as there was so little choice of things to watch. G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:33 pm
I'm sorry...but i'm still thinking about Jenny Hanley's nipples...
I really must get out more... G 2 rank
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GeauxGurl PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:47 pm
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She did indeed..well remembered!!
At the time BP started we only and 2 TV channels in the UK, later came BBC2, so there was great rivalry between BBC1 [BP] and ITV [Magpie]Even now we only have 5 terrestrial channels. SO the kids shows made a big impact as there was so little choice of things to watch.
What wuz the reference re: "Magpie" that Mandana mentioned? Anyone remember?? Rolling Eyes Don't you wish it was electric
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What wuz the reference re: "Magpie" that Mandana mentioned? Anyone remember?? Rolling Eyes
Wasn't it in the South African trailer, right after she introduces herself as Nikki Wade and then starts laughing and mumbles, I'm not, I'm Mandana Jones, and then comes the Magpie reference. Of course, I don't have the clip here at work, so I am just going by memory.... The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:14 pm
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Wasn't it in the South African trailer, right after she introduces herself as Nikki Wade and then starts laughing and mumbles, I'm not, I'm Mandana Jones, and then comes the Magpie reference.
3.08 "Get me a job on Magpie, 'cause I'm _____ fast."
Since this topic is going so well, I had a couple other to add in.
In S2ep7, Sylvia makes several references that, although clear, sound like they might be to specific products (i.e. "Kleenex" rather than tissues). Can anyone help out here?
1) When 'showing' Barbara how she wants the office cleaned, she says, "Makes a change to have a professional Mrs Mop inside." [8.31]
Mrs Mop?
2) Sylvia's response when Crystal tells her Zandra isn't using drugs: "That's right. And I'm off chocolate fingers." [13.30]
Chocolate fingers? The Garden Assistant
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 5:33 pm
emmm yeah a miss mop is just someone who cleans lyk a cleans in the centre, scholl, anywhere
there are called miss mops its just a funny and cheeky name
2. yeah sylvia and her choco fingers she loves them bodybag always has choco finger i remember in series 3 in the riot and maxi goes in the office and she flings choco finger at the gitl on watch G3 landing
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abzug PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 8:22 pm
But what are these mysterious chocolate fingers? Are they like, the quintessential british cookie? Like, say, equivalent to our Oreos? Meaning a cookie that absolutely everyone knows, and everyone eats, and is arguably the most popular cookie in the US. Or are they are more like Mallomars, which are also a well-known cookie, but a bit more regional (they are particularly popular in the northeast, and New York specifically) but have entered the public consciousness through references in movies like "When Harry Met Sally." You might reference Mallomars if you wanted to seem a bit hipster, or just the tiniest bit esoteric, to indicate that the character likes the cookies because they are truly the world's best cookie (as Harry says) rather than just the cookies that we've been marketed to like.
Or, are chocolate fingers like an old lady kind of cookie? I'm hard-pressed to think of an American equivalent, but you get what I mean, right?
Or, it just occurs to me, are they not even a brand at all, but more like a type of cookie, a category like chocolate chip cookies, or something like that? The Garden Assistant
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:30 pm
oh right sorry emmm
chocolate fingers are quite dear to buy but everyone know what they are emm they are a very very good band and taste delisous ive got a pack in front of me but they are the mini ones ill write what its says
Mini crisp biscuits covered in milk chocolate!!!1
does that answer ur question+ G3 landing
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loonysarah PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:37 pm
Firstly without meaning to cause any offense to ppl who wish to sell chocolate fingers on ebay, i'll just have a little laugh all to myself Laughing Laughing Laughing
Now, i am absolutely rubbish with computers and putting pictures up on threads, so when someone needs a pick i go to my trusted ebay to see if someone is selling what i'm looking for, as they are, can you believe people buy and sell choclate fingers on ebay. Anyway heres a box to look at hope it helps with understanding what they are, if you want a closer picture you can ask seller yourself, i'm not brave enough, lol
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Cadbury-Milk-Chocola...1QQcmdZViewItem Sophies World reader
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SimoneIsAnAngel PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:41 pm
lol Oh, the wonders of internet auctions Laughing
I don't know if i'd be able to describe them any better, other than it is a long, finger shaped biscuit, coated in Milk Chocolate...and very tasty indeed. Very Happy G3 landing
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loonysarah PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 10:46 pm
yes they are very nice, shall we send you a pack? Laughing Laughing
Even have a caramel pack on there, didn't know which to post.
Yes isn't it wierd just what you can buy on ebay, with that seller you can even stock up on tea bags and gravy Shocked Guess he owns a shop, can't imagine why you'd really bid for that and pay postage, if you can't be bothered to go shop, order online with tesco!! bet it would arive a bit faster. Sophies World reader
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:05 pm
Again Cabury's chocolate fingers are a sort of an 'institution'..in our family only bought for high days and holidays ...lol. ?I'm not that keen actually.
There is a big demand by Ex-pats for Uk food items..I'm sure I saw a mention on TV about a Grocers shop in NY somewhere selling PG Tips tea, HP sauce, Cadbury's Chocolate etc...so I guess Ebay was the next step! G3 landing
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stunning_simone PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:10 pm
OMG i just can belive people are that sad hehe
well i guess it just incase ppl from america or that want uik food right G3 landing
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:55 pm
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I love the eBay description of the "Condition" of the Chocolate Fingers - "New"! Laughing Yeah right! Like anyone is going to buy somebody's half chewed, used box of Choc Fingers!
I suppose the biscuit of a Chocolate Finger is a bit like a crisp/hardish shortbread, dipped in chocolate. They are about the thickness of your little finger and probably slightly longer than your middle finger. There is a comedy show on television here called "The Vicar of Dibley", in which one of the characters, the (lady) vicar's rather eccentric assistant Alice(who has an obsession with the Teletubbies and is rather innocent and childlike), does a very suggestive thing with a Chocolate Finger in her mouth, having just said that she loves to lick and suck the chocolate off the finger before she eats it! G 2 rank
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loonysarah PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 12:09 am
Lol, the first two lines had me laughing love the "As if you'd want someones half chewed box of chocolate fingers" Laughing Laughing
Anyway how did all this come about was it from talk of bodybags chocolate fingers or was it from the ep with the riot because bodybags fingers are stolen and you should be able to see the pack, failing that, far from me not to complete reasearch to a satisfactory standard.
www.cadbury.co.uk
check out the website, lol Laughing Laughing (gives it a rest with the chocolate fingers now, i shall never eat them again!!) Sophies World reader
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Evangelist PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:45 am
COOLUK1 wrote:
There is a big demand by Ex-pats for Uk food items..I'm sure I saw a mention on TV about a Grocers shop in NY somewhere selling PG Tips tea, HP sauce, Cadbury's Chocolate etc...so I guess Ebay was the next step!
Yeah, Ex-pats and loony Americans who've acquired certain habits from living in London. Razz SF has a huge Irish community as well, so one of the local grocers has a special section for British/Irish food stuffs....along with special sections for other ethnic food.
Not big on the chocolate fingers...but I get the occasional craving for British baked beans...which I had for breakfast this past weekend (on toast of course).
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abzug PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:57 am
Wow, thanks for the copious information about chocolate fingers (which I am totally going to try when I am in the UK this summer!). Now, what about Mrs. Mop? Have we really learned everything there is to learn about her? I'm guessing there's more trivia out there.... The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:36 am
MRS MOP...'can l do you now Sir?'
In British sitcoms and earlier, Radio shows and even further back Musichall ~cleaners have often been a comedic tool . ..I suppose you could call The Julies, Mrs Mops.
Mrs Mop is used, not as term of derision, but it sort of imlpies that a women isn't fit to do anything else but clean. Or is a right old fuss pot always pottering about domestically.
Then again it can be used with affection. G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:58 am
Must add here, Maxi's exact line upon handing over the chocolate fingers was...
"Chocolate fingers. (Throws packet of chocolate fingers at extra who catches them) Wash them first though, in case they're Hollamby's...don't know where she might've had 'em!"
I think what she was actually inferring was that Bodybag might have had a Marianne Faithful type 'Mars Bar' moment...yeuuuchh!!!
Chocolate fingers are fab...I don't know about anyone else, but on the rare occasions I buy a packet I have to be restrained from eating the whole lot in one go...they're so moorish...
Like everyone else has said, 'Mrs Mop' is a nickname often applied to cleaning ladies. Thinking about it, I suppose the character Hilda Ogden from the soap 'Coronation Street' is the ultimate 'Mrs Mop'...she was common as muck (but tended to put on a posh accent when speaking to anyone 'important'), wore rollers underneath her headscarf and a housecoat (similar to the pink pinny Nikki wore in S2Ep12), was always gossiping and tended to sing a lot in a high pitched, out of tune warble. See here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hilda_Ogden
As you'll notice, cleaning ladies are also sometimes known as the 'char lady' over here. The word I think is a derivative of the Chinese character 'cha' - the word for tea leaves or tea as a drink in many countries has its origins in this word. 'Char' is another word for tea, i.e. "a cuppa char", and so, I suppose you could called Barbara, G-Wing's 'char-lady".
Really, the image of the archetypal 'Mrs Mop' has more or less disappeared over here now seeing as most big firms use contract cleaning firms who tend to employ a lot of immigrants. G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:37 pm
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Wow, you guys are definitely on a roll! Thx for the clear cultural descriptions. Since you've been so helpful, I'd like to ask about Redband, the word. (Or, red bands.) I know what it means--that the prisoner has a better job/enhanced status because they're viewed as trustworthy. What I'm not at all clear about is where the term comes from.
I've looked all around, so assume I'm using bad search terms, bec I can't find anything. It's obviously British, & obviously old: Sarah Waters uses it in Night Watch.
My current guess is that it dates from WWI, where staff officers wore red bands around their helmets. If anyone has additional info though, I'd be most grateful.
Btw, this is all going to good use: Abzug & I are gradually trying to build up a Bad Girls glossary. No time-line in sight, it's obviously a rather long project. But threads like this are tremendously helpful. How else would we ever have understood 'lager louts'?! ;)
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In what context is it used in Night Watch ekny? (Haven't got around to reading it yet!) Because the only reference that I can find to it is as the prison terminology. Oxford say it is "Applied to a privileged prisoner, allowed to carry out special duties" and they only date it from 1950. The only military reference along the same lines, is "red-hat" (dated 1916), which is given as you've suggested, as "British; applied to an army staff officer; from the red cap-bands of senior officers in the British army". Then there is "red cap" a term for Military police, which they date from 1919 and give as "British; from the colour of their caps"! (Gosh! That's a surprise, I'd have never have guessed that!) G 2 rank
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I was told by two people this evening, one gay and one straight, that Americans (or New Yorkers at least) would use the term partner to describe a heterosexual boyfriend or girlfriend who they live with. I still don't quite believe it, but I wanted to post this, for the record. The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:34 am
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
In what context is it used in Night Watch ekny? (Haven't got around to reading it yet!) Because the only reference that I can find to it is as the prison terminology. Oxford say it is "Applied to a privileged prisoner, allowed to carry out special duties" and they only date it from 1950
I can't recall where in the book it showed up--toward the last third, I think--but definitely noted it. The setting by that point is 1944 or '41, but it is fiction. The Garden Assistant
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ekny wrote:
Wow, you guys are definitely on a roll! Thx for the clear cultural descriptions. Since you've been so helpful, I'd like to ask about Redband, the word. (Or, red bands.) I know what it means--that the prisoner has a better job/enhanced status because they're viewed as trustworthy. What I'm not at all clear about is where the term comes from.
I have no idea about this...
Maybe red-bands used to wear a 'red-band' somewhere on their prison uniform to denote their status?? G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 9:40 am
I would guess that originally RED was used for a cloth band, as the colour stands out the most. So it was easier for the officers to see from a distance that it was a red-band going about their business and not an ordinary prisoner being where they shouldn't.
At funerals mourners wear arm black bands, football captains wear arm bands on the pitch to denote their status ..a band seems to be the preferred method, it can be seen from more angles than something like a badge on the back or the front....yet is not as inconvenient to wear as , say , a tabard like the prisoners do in the visitors room.
Why or how or where [or who] it actually started remains a mystery.
How about a Blue Peter badge to the person who solves the puzzle...lol G3 landing
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Hmmm...would that be a fake Blue Peter badge or a genuine one Cool? Very Happy G 2 rank
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Sarah Waters uses it in Night Watch.
(psssst, E ~~~ I kneaux that this off subject, but since you brought it up Wink ~~~ I wuz about to order this book and just wondered if you liked it or not?? I've really enjoyed her other books!!) Thanks! Very Happy Don't you wish it was electric
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Xenclair PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:42 pm
Interesting post, I am enjoying it.
Another question: What is "B-Petetra" "It's like being on 'B-Petetra" Mandana says in the trailer.
I always thought Mandana meant a job at McDonalds, thought she said "Mac pie" and that was a slang for McDonalds.*BG*
We have a little animated gecko who talks cockney, really cute, he advertises an insurance company, too cute. He says "Everyone likes pie and chips"
Does "pie" mean burger?
PS I am reading Sarah Waters "Affinty" finished "Tipping the Velvet" loved it! Don't you wish it was electric
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:51 pm
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GeauxGurl wrote:
(psssst, E ~~~ I kneaux that this off subject, but since you brought it up ;) ~~~ I wuz about to order this book and just wondered if you liked it or not?? I've really enjoyed her other books!!) Thanks! :-D
I found it depressing but of course well-written; other people seem to have enjoyed it so I'll let them do the talking on this one, I think. I adore SW, don't get me wrong, but this is a WWII book w/an ensemble cast, a very different setting & agenda, I think, than her previous works.
CBG started a thread called "SW is a BG fan" which has some posts you might want to take a look at. I haven't hyperlinked to other posts before so apologies if I don't do this right! ;) The first is a review by Michele Roberts; in the second, Abzug discusses her responses, mainly positive. --e
http://mandana-jones.com/hnboard/viewtopic.php?p=12241#12241
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:26 pm
Interesting post, I am enjoying it.
Another question: What is "B-Petetra" "It's like being on 'B-Petetra" Mandana says in the trailer. I always thought Mandana meant a job at McDonalds, thought she said "Mac pie" and that was a slang for McDonalds.*BG*
Oooo you've not been paying attention have you Xenlclare...it's Blue Peter the kids show we've been talking about....lol
"it's like being on Blue Peter"
We have a little animated gecko who talks cockney, really cute, he advertises an insurance company, too cute. He says "Everyone likes pie and chips"
Does "pie" mean burger?
No pie means a pie. In our fish and chip shops [chips as in fries not what you call pototo chips] you can also buy various meat pies, ie cooked meat in gravy covered with pastry...so 'pie and chips'
In parts of London they have a dish called pie and mash...very traditional
About pie & mash The history of London food...
Pie and Mash is quite simply the most traditional food that London has to offer. Forget your chip shops and burger bars, "Eel Pie and Mash Houses" have been around since the 18th century - the first ones opening in pre-Dickensian and Victorian London.
Our hand made Pie and Mash consists of:
100% minced beef Pie
Mashed Potato
Hand made and freshly prepared pastry
Traditional Liquor (a special sauce made to a secret family recipe)
At Goddard's, we offer a variety of other pies to suit all tastes, click here to see what else we offer.
One of the major influences over the food traditions in London was the river Thames. It provided fish, both fresh and salt water, meat, vegetables and fruit were transported from around Britain, and spices and exotic foods from all over the world. The importance of the trading ships and the great markets like Billingsgate, Spitalfield and Smithfield can be seen in the names of roads in the East End, such as Bread Street, Milk Street and Fish Street.
Perhaps the most famous London dish is the Cockney speciality, jellied eels, caught locally and further out in the Thames Estuary. Made by boiling the eels with plenty of herbs and allowing small pieces to cool and form their own jelly (or by adding a helping portion of using gelatine). The taste is similar to that of pickled herring, but the softer texture can put people off.
The other great working class tradition is pie and mash. Historically, the pies were made from scraps of beef and vegetables, leftovers or from the local markets, under a pastry crust. The mashed potatoes were liberally covered in parsley gravy or "liquor". There has been a great revival in these dishes and quite a number of Pie ‘n’ Mash restaurants can now be found across London.
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Oooo you've not been paying attention have you Xenlclare...it's Blue Peter the kids show we've been talking about....lol
"it's like being on Blue Peter"
*LOL* I have really. Very Happy thought it was just the knife and the "Magiepie" comment you were talking about.
Thanks "pie" is "pie" I knew chips were fries.
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jellied eel....uck!
And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer.... Wink The Garden Assistant
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And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer....
I wouldn't sample any of that,eel stuff, if you paid me.
Cool,you going on a trip to Britain, neato! Don't you wish it was electric
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And I thought us Jews had scary foods (gefilte fish or chopped liver, anyone?), but this takes the cake! I'm soooo looking forward to sampling all these British delicacies on my trip this summer....
I wouldn't sample any of that,eel stuff, if you paid me.
Cool,you going on a trip to Britain, neato!
Haggis?! Eeew, mon. The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:00 pm
There are two Blue Peter references..one in BG with Yvonne, about the looky-likey knife made with lots of sticky tape etc..and in The SA trailers.
Mandana says 'It's like being on Blue Peter' I guess because they were talking straight to camera like the BP presenters do..??
When she fluffs her lines she says something like 'Get me a job on Magpie, quick' Magpie being BP's rival show it was just a wee joke on her part....lmso
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Pies~We also have cornish pasties which are a semi circular shape with meat and vegetroubles in them.
What do you call 'pies' then.
Jellied eels...yummmm [NOT] never been brave enough to try... Laughing
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yeah heard about that, wouldn't eat that either.UCK!
Haggis?! That is scottish right? Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:05 pm
HAGGIS is really nice actually. Pubs serve it on Burns Night down here in the south, even non Scots like it.
Great with mash and bashed neeps...where are our resident Scots ??? G3 landing
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What do you call 'pies' then.
Well, we'd call these pies as well, but we don't eat many meat-type pies here, usually they are fruit-type pies (apple, blueberry, pumpkin etc) and are eaten as dessert. The only meat-type pie I see offered with any regularity is what we call "chicken pot pie" which is chunks of chicken and veggies and some kind of sauce served in a pie crust. Can be very yummy. The Garden Assistant
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What do you call 'pies' then.
pastries crust and filling inside, mostly our pies are fruit ones. But we have "Pot pies" too, fill with meat, potatoes and veggies.
So 'pies' are 'pies' both sides of the pond. Don't you wish it was electric
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What is "haggis" specifically? Was it already mentioned up-thread? I took a look but couldn't find it.... The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:14 pm
Haggis
The sheep's stomach sounds disgusting ..not sure if they still use them these days but you don't eat that part anyway ..just the inside part.
Haggis Recipes
Haggis "is typically served on Burns Night, January 25, when Scotland celebrates the birth of its greatest poet, Robert Burns, who was born in Ayrshire on that date in 1759. During the celebration, Burns poems are read, and the haggis is addressed by a member of the party, ceremonially, in the form of verses from Burns' poem, 'Address to a Haggis.' A typical meal for Burns Night would include Cock-a-Leekie, Haggis with Tatties-an'-Neeps, Roastit Beef, Tipsy Laird, and Dunlop Cheese. Whisky is also served
Traditional Haggis
1 sheep's pluck (stomach bag)
2 lb.. dry oatmeal
1 lb. suet
1 lb. lamb's liver
2 1/2 cups stock
1 large chopped onion
1/2 tsp. cayenne pepper, Jamaica pepper and salt
Boil liver and parboil the onion, then mince them together. Lightly brown the oatmeal. Mix all ingredients together. Fill the sheep's pluck with the mixture pressing it down to remove all the air, and sew up securely. Prick the haggis in several places so that it does not burst. Place haggis in boiling water and boil slowly for 4-5 hours. Serves approximately 12.
Americanized Haggis
1 lb boneless lamb shoulder or breast, cut into pieces (or ground lamb)
1/2 lb lamb liver, cut into pieces
1/2 c water
1 small onion, coarsely chopped
1 large egg
3/4 ts salt
3/4 ts pepper, black
1/2 ts sugar
1/4 ts ginger, ground
1/8 ts cloves, ground
1/8 ts nutmeg, ground
1 c oats, rolled, old fashioned
Heat oven to 350-F. Grease an 8 1/2 by 4 1/2 inch loaf pan.
In food processor with chopping blade, process together half of the lamb, the liver, water, onion, egg, salt, pepper, sugar, ginger, cloves, and nutmeg until well combined. Add the remaining half of the lamb and the oats; process until well combined.
Spoon lamb mixture into the greased pan; pat surface to level. Bake 45 to 55 minutes or until center feels firm when gently pressed. Cool 5 minutes in pan; unmold onto platter; slice and serve.
Notes: This skinless haggis is planned for American tastes, yet contains many of the ingredients found in the real thing. You can unmold the loaf and serve it in place of the purchased haggis recipes. G3 landing
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SimoneIsAnAngel PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 5:27 pm
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HAGGIS is really nice actually. Pubs serve it on Burns Night down here in the south, even non Scots like it.
Great with mash and bashed neeps...where are our resident Scots ???
British Here's one resident Scot, Cool Very Happy Well, what do i say about Haggis, other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me eat puke I may be a Jock, but i cant stomach it!! potato scones,or black pudding though, now them i love. I miss them, and like a few other Scottish things, i can't get them in London Crying or Very sad G3 landing
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Jeanna PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:20 pm
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I love the eBay description of the "Condition" of the Chocolate Fingers - "New"! Laughing Yeah right! Like anyone is going to buy somebody's half chewed, used box of Choc Fingers!
I suppose the biscuit of a Chocolate Finger is a bit like a crisp/hardish shortbread, dipped in chocolate. They are about the thickness of your little finger and probably slightly longer than your middle finger. There is a comedy show on television here called "The Vicar of Dibley", in which one of the characters, the (lady) vicar's rather eccentric assistant Alice(who has an obsession with the Teletubbies and is rather innocent and childlike), does a very suggestive thing with a Chocolate Finger in her mouth, having just said that she loves to lick and suck the chocolate off the finger before she eats it!
We have Dawn French's very amusing britcom here as well, on american 'public' tv. And I well remember dippy Alice's scene that you describe.
I do hear more and more would-be american sophisticates describing their significant others to whom they are not married as partners. This may become very confusing when Hollywood actors (esp. a reputed bisexual such as Drew Barrymore) indiscriminately use the term on chat shows when referring to their dating/living with partners and their business partners. She, in particular, has raised eyebrows several times by pointing out female companions in said situation as her 'partner.' Whether business or otherwise (or both?!) is left entirely up to prurient minds and interpretation.
Cuisine:
Cadbury's Chocolate Fingers are available over here virtually everywhere I shop! You mean...really...you've never seen them in New York?
chopped chicken liver...my favorite ethnic food...on a fresh warm bagel...lord love a duck! My mouth is watering even as I speak...er...type
meat pies...Abzug, think of "Sweeney Todd" :)
Haggis...just as scary as I'd always heard
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:32 pm
hmmmm...
Haggis : other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me
Are you SURE you're Scottish???????
You'll be telling me next that you don't like Moria Anderson or Andy Stewart
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Evangelist PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:47 pm
Haggis really isn't that scary...I've had the real thing here in SF. Must be the wee bit of Scots blood in me... Laughing
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:50 pm
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Cadbury's Chocolate Fingers are available over here virtually everywhere I shop! You mean...really...you've never seen them in New York?
[...]
meat pies...Abzug, think of "Sweeney Todd" :)
I've definitely seen them around in NY, but I wanted to know what they meant, like, culturally-speaking. Smile
And how funny you mention Sweeney Todd--I'm seeing the latest revival tomorrow night, the one with Patti LuPone. And it'll be even better, now that I've got meat pies on the brain! The Garden Assistant
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Jeanna PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:07 pm
I Would LOVE to see that!
The worst pies in London,
Even that's polite!
The worst pies in London,
If you doubt it, take a bite!
Is that just disgusting?
You have to concede it!
It's nothing but crusting!
Here, drink this, you'll need it!
The worst pies in London...
And no wonder with the price of meat
What it is
When you get it
Never
Thought I'd live to see the day
Men'd think it was a treat
Findin' poor
Animals
Wot are dyin' in the street!
Mrs. Mooney has a pie shop!
Does a business but I notice something weird.
Lately all her neighbors' cats have disappeared!
Have to hand it to her --
Wot I calls
Enterprise
Poppin' pussies into pies
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abzug PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:11 pm
Just the thought of it's enough to make you sick.
And I'm tellin' ya,
Them pussy cats is quick!
Hehe. Yeah, I can't wait to see it, actually. Its one of the best musicals ever written, in my humble opinion. I've seen three productions before, but its one of those shows which is just always worth seeing again. Kind of like all the Helen and Nikki episodes of Bad Girls! The Garden Assistant
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Jeanna PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:13 pm
I saw the original production at least 3 times on B'way. Loved it. G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:21 pm
Ooooo...
....you culture vultures ...lmso G3 landing
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Here's one resident Scot, Cool Well, what do i say about Haggis, other than i wouldn't eat it if it was the last meal on offer to me
I tried Haggis when I visited Scotland, and it wasn't bad at all. Actually, I ate most of it.
I also ate horse meat in Belgium, although I didn't know it 'til afterwards or I wouldn't have even tried it. Sad Apparently it's a delicacy there. Shared Cell
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:55 pm
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That sounds like a modern day haggis recipe Cool, I think it was originally made with heart, liver and lungs as well! Eeeuuw! But you're right, it doesn't taste that bad actually and you can even get vegetarian ones up in Scotland, if you can't "stomach" the idea of pluck and liver! But black pudding SIAA, now that really is disgusting! Steer away from that Americans! And don't be fooled by the name, it isn't a pudding at all, but a thick, dark sausage made from blood and fat and then sliced and fried! Not good! And as for jellied eels...well, I think I prefer my jelly with a fruity taste! Laughing
Culturally speaking abzug, I don't think that Chocolate Fingers occupy quite the same hallowed ground as your Oreos seem to, which I think is the question you asked! And I think you and Jeanna should be reassured that the pies here don't generally contain people whose haircuts went wrong - some of them just taste like they might! Very Happy G 2 rank
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filbertfox PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 8:03 am
Interesting discussion here...
Haggis is bleurgh!! My step-mum's step-dad is Scottish and in the pub he used to own, he always dished the stuff up on New Years Eve...
Adding onto what Cool was saying about chip shop pies...these are a real regional thing, we have something called a 'Clarks pie' down in Wales - minced beef, onion and gravy inside what tastes like home-made pastry - yum. Up in Stoke we had a 'Walkers' pie...oh, and for some reason, the further south you go, the less chance you have of finding a chip shop that will serve you gravy with your chips...bloomin' barbarians!!
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:20 am
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"! G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:42 pm
Gravy on chips Filbert???
..Ooo we don't have that down here but you can get mushy peas in chips shops..yummm
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"!
Do you know which specific episode this is in? We're keeping track not only of the words and their definitions, but also the episodes and the timing, so that one day you'll be able to look terms up alphabetically, or by episode. This may be overly ambitious of us, but its always good to aim high, no? The Garden Assistant
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Do you know which specific episode this is in? We're keeping track not only of the words and their definitions, but also the episodes and the timing, so that one day you'll be able to look terms up alphabetically, or by episode. This may be overly ambitious of us, but its always good to aim high, no?
Off the top of my head, I think it may be S2ep6. G 2 rank
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Off the top of my head, I think it may be S2ep6.
Geez, I can't think why we're all so well-acquainted with that ep. ;) The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 3:20 pm
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ekny in this Glossary of yours, do you have that term "twocing" which Josh uses when telling Crystal about the misadventures of his youth?
A twocer is someone who steals vehicles etc and the term apparently is derived from to "Take Without Owners Consent"!
Thanks very much indeed, that's very helpful, exactly the kind of odd regionalism we're trying to nail down! Would you mind giving me the complete book title again so I can reference the place we got the definition? Thanks again!
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It is in S2 Ep4 "Looking For Love" abzug - the bangers & mash in the laundry scene. G 2 rank
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Sorry ekny, it wasn't from a book, it was off the net. I've been trying to find the specific site which I saw it on, but haven't had any success. There are a few of them though, some with rather long, complicated addresses, but one of them is www.peevish.co.uk/slang (A Dictionary of Slang & Colloquialisms of the UK.) G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:35 am
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Sorry ekny, it wasn't from a book, it was off the net. I've been trying to find the specific site which I saw it on, but haven't had any success. There are a few of them though, some with rather long, complicated addresses, but one of them is www.peevish.co.uk/slang (A Dictionary of Slang & Colloquialisms of the UK.)
Yep, that's one of the ones I check before asking here, but I don't think that was it either. No worries, just wondering; I thot you'd cited a specific book by Oxford in the past! --e The Garden Assistant
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It is in S2 Ep4 "Looking For Love" abzug - the bangers & mash in the laundry scene.
Arrgh yes!! So it was!!
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 10:30 am
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Unfortunately the Oxford Dictionary of Slang doesn't list it ekny, but it is on the peevish site - listed under T as TWOC and as a reference to twocker. I'll see if I can find the other one, but I think I might have been looking for something else, when it cropped up, rather than specifically for slang and that's why I can't retrace my steps! Very Happy G 2 rank
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When she's trying to distract Tessa, Shell does two imitations that are clearly tv-based. Can anyone please explain what they are? Thanks! The Garden Assistant
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1) Peggy the Chalet Maid
A character from the 1980’s BBC sitcom ‘Hi-De-Hi’. The show was based at a ‘Butlin’s’ style holiday camp (the closest approximation for you guys I can think of is 'Kellerman's' from Dirty Dancing) in the 1950’s where the entertainment staff were known as ‘yellow coats’ because…er…they wore yellow coats!! Although only a lowly chalet maid, Peggy dreamed of becoming a yellow coat, hence her catchphrase “I want to be a yellow coat” - anyone who hasn’t died of boredom yet already might be interested to know that she did finally become a yellow coat in the show’s final episode.
Peggy was played by the actress Su Pollard. More information about 'Hi-de-Hi' here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi_De_Hi!
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1) Peggy the Chalet Maid
2) Cilla Black
You so rock. The Garden Assistant
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So do you guys...anyone who spend so much time trying to figure out our nation's many peculiarities gets my vote!!
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abzug PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:07 am
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OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is? The Garden Assistant
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OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is?
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#3 was "Don't nick the other boys' spends" ---or steal them.
Thanks! I coulda sworn it was a two-syllable word, but I don't have the best hearing in the world, and plus live across the street from an emergency room, so I'm lucky when I can understand half the words in any given program on tv, even when they're not spoken in a British accent! The Garden Assistant
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abzug wrote:
OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is?
1. This is a reference to playing bingo. "Two fat ladies means the number 88. So that was the only number she needed to win the main prize (Jimmys jackpot.
2. Lags is a British slang word for prison inmate. Usually applied to male inmates.
3. She says *Don't nick all the other boys spends" ie don't take all their pocket money.
4. Not to sure of this one. Christies could be a reference to christians or do gooders. Will have to watch this bit again and get back to you.
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:56 am
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It's actually "crusties" abzug. Shaz is from "Oop North" , so she has the Northern "u", so it sounds like croosties, but shorter. She says "I know these crusties that'll sort us out. It'll be brilliant." D: "What about Shell?" S: "I'll tell her I guessed what were up & I wanted a piece."
According to that peevish website, a "crustie" is "a person whose looks share that of the hippie travellers of the 1990's & being stereotypically scruffy with long dreaded hair, wearing boots and black clothes, generally having the appearance of being homeless. Usually derogatory." (Traveller is the P.C term for gypsy btw.) G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:17 pm
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Lags is quite a bit older than yet suggested, it would seem: I stumbled over this article from the Nat'l Lib of Australia. The article was called " 'Lags' and 'Lashes': The Vocabulary of Convict Australia, 1788-1850", by Amanda Laugesen.
I am including the broader quote not so much to point to the use of "lag" in an earlier context but the social question of prison/underworld slang ('cant'). Here the author is arguing that purging the prisoners of such language-use was viewed by the 'authorities' as part of a broader moral mandate.
Similar arguments could certainly be made around the origins/use/suppression of Black English, it seems to me. (Totally outside the scope of what I'm able to bite off right now, but it seemed worth considering.)
"...For those who came to Australia free, this cant language was a marker of the convicts' 'otherness' and a way of promoting and maintaining criminality, and thus needed to be erased. Our knowledge of the cant language of convicts is limited by the very nature of those that observed and recorded it, for many were [...] keen to link cant language with immorality. Few of the convicts themselves left written records, and those that did left few clues as to their 'natural' speech. The cant or flash language of the convicts thus remains somewhat obscure to us today. Nevertheless, it included some terms that took on a general currency in the colonies, for example: bellowser (a word from West Yorkshire and coming to mean one sentenced to life); lag (a popular colloquial term for a convict); gammon (meaning deceit or nonsense, and still used in Aboriginal English); and trap (meaning a police officer).
Beyond this criminal cant language, however, an entire vocabulary relating to convict Australia developed in the first 70 years of the colonies..."
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Sorry ekny, it wasn't from a book, it was off the net. I've been trying to find the specific site which I saw it on, but haven't had any success. There are a few of them though, some with rather long, complicated addresses, but one of them is www.peevish.co.uk/slang (A Dictionary of Slang & Colloquialisms of the UK.) G 2 rank
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Sorry ekny, it wasn't from a book, it was off the net. I've been trying to find the specific site which I saw it on, but haven't had any success. There are a few of them though, some with rather long, complicated addresses, but one of them is www.peevish.co.uk/slang (A Dictionary of Slang & Colloquialisms of the UK.)
Yep, that's one of the ones I check before asking here, but I don't think that was it either. No worries, just wondering; I thot you'd cited a specific book by Oxford in the past! --e The Garden Assistant
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It is in S2 Ep4 "Looking For Love" abzug - the bangers & mash in the laundry scene.
Arrgh yes!! So it was!!
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Unfortunately the Oxford Dictionary of Slang doesn't list it ekny, but it is on the peevish site - listed under T as TWOC and as a reference to twocker. I'll see if I can find the other one, but I think I might have been looking for something else, when it cropped up, rather than specifically for slang and that's why I can't retrace my steps! Very Happy G 2 rank
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When she's trying to distract Tessa, Shell does two imitations that are clearly tv-based. Can anyone please explain what they are? Thanks! The Garden Assistant
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1) Peggy the Chalet Maid
A character from the 1980’s BBC sitcom ‘Hi-De-Hi’. The show was based at a ‘Butlin’s’ style holiday camp (the closest approximation for you guys I can think of is 'Kellerman's' from Dirty Dancing) in the 1950’s where the entertainment staff were known as ‘yellow coats’ because…er…they wore yellow coats!! Although only a lowly chalet maid, Peggy dreamed of becoming a yellow coat, hence her catchphrase “I want to be a yellow coat” - anyone who hasn’t died of boredom yet already might be interested to know that she did finally become a yellow coat in the show’s final episode.
Peggy was played by the actress Su Pollard. More information about 'Hi-de-Hi' here...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hi_De_Hi!
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1) Peggy the Chalet Maid
2) Cilla Black
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So do you guys...anyone who spend so much time trying to figure out our nation's many peculiarities gets my vote!!
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abzug PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 2:07 am
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OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is? The Garden Assistant
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OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is?
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#3 was "Don't nick the other boys' spends" ---or steal them.
Thanks! I coulda sworn it was a two-syllable word, but I don't have the best hearing in the world, and plus live across the street from an emergency room, so I'm lucky when I can understand half the words in any given program on tv, even when they're not spoken in a British accent! The Garden Assistant
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notsuchabadgirl PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 9:05 am
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abzug wrote:
OK, here's my latest British slang questions:
1. At the start of this episode (for ekny's sake, it was 00:34), Sylvia says to Di and Gina in the lockerroom "Two fat ladies and I would have had Jimmy's jackpot." What the heck is she talking about?
2. When Karen is telling the guards about the documentary (02:45) she says "The show's called 'Lady Lags'"--what does "lags" mean?
3. When Julie and Trevor are in the visiting room (sorry, forgot to get the timing on this one), he asks her to remember the advice she gave him when he started school, and she says "Don't nickle the other boys' spends?" At least, that's what I think she says. Could be "mickle" could be something else entirely.
4. And last (but not least), when Denny tells Shaz about the escape Shaz says something like "I know these christies that'll sort us out." Its in reference to them finding a squat to live in. Then Shaz has another line after this, which I found totally indecipherable. Any ideas what "christies" means? Or what that follow-up line is?
1. This is a reference to playing bingo. "Two fat ladies means the number 88. So that was the only number she needed to win the main prize (Jimmys jackpot.
2. Lags is a British slang word for prison inmate. Usually applied to male inmates.
3. She says *Don't nick all the other boys spends" ie don't take all their pocket money.
4. Not to sure of this one. Christies could be a reference to christians or do gooders. Will have to watch this bit again and get back to you.
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It's actually "crusties" abzug. Shaz is from "Oop North" , so she has the Northern "u", so it sounds like croosties, but shorter. She says "I know these crusties that'll sort us out. It'll be brilliant." D: "What about Shell?" S: "I'll tell her I guessed what were up & I wanted a piece."
According to that peevish website, a "crustie" is "a person whose looks share that of the hippie travellers of the 1990's & being stereotypically scruffy with long dreaded hair, wearing boots and black clothes, generally having the appearance of being homeless. Usually derogatory." (Traveller is the P.C term for gypsy btw.) G 2 rank
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Lags is quite a bit older than yet suggested, it would seem: I stumbled over this article from the Nat'l Lib of Australia. The article was called " 'Lags' and 'Lashes': The Vocabulary of Convict Australia, 1788-1850", by Amanda Laugesen.
I am including the broader quote not so much to point to the use of "lag" in an earlier context but the social question of prison/underworld slang ('cant'). Here the author is arguing that purging the prisoners of such language-use was viewed by the 'authorities' as part of a broader moral mandate.
Similar arguments could certainly be made around the origins/use/suppression of Black English, it seems to me. (Totally outside the scope of what I'm able to bite off right now, but it seemed worth considering.)
"...For those who came to Australia free, this cant language was a marker of the convicts' 'otherness' and a way of promoting and maintaining criminality, and thus needed to be erased. Our knowledge of the cant language of convicts is limited by the very nature of those that observed and recorded it, for many were [...] keen to link cant language with immorality. Few of the convicts themselves left written records, and those that did left few clues as to their 'natural' speech. The cant or flash language of the convicts thus remains somewhat obscure to us today. Nevertheless, it included some terms that took on a general currency in the colonies, for example: bellowser (a word from West Yorkshire and coming to mean one sentenced to life); lag (a popular colloquial term for a convict); gammon (meaning deceit or nonsense, and still used in Aboriginal English); and trap (meaning a police officer).
Beyond this criminal cant language, however, an entire vocabulary relating to convict Australia developed in the first 70 years of the colonies..."
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This one was so in my face it took me forever to realize I didn't understand it. The Peckham Boot Gang: does Peckham refer to a place? What is that place? Why did they choose that for their name?
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:43 pm
Peckham Boot Gang
Peckham is a part of South East London [was the setting for the long running Brit comedy ..Only Fools and Horses] ..lots of large council estates and tenament blocks, which had a reputation for being rough and run down, with lots of street crime etc etc ...not so much now..as the yuppies have moved in....lol
A 'boot gang' I guess is literally a gang who use their boots ie give people a good kicking...?
...well they were really inside for unpaid library fines so they were actually the ...
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abzug wrote:
This one was so in my face it took me forever to realize I didn't understand it. The Peckham Boot Gang: does Peckham refer to a place? What is that place? Why did they choose that for their name?
CoolUK1 is of course correct, there's been a lot of effort in the area following the knifing death of 10-year-old Damilola Taylor in 2000. Some £300m has been pouring into developing the area, but gentrification efforts continue in the face of gang-related activities.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:07 pm
I hope that's £300m EKNY?
Here's Damilola bless his heart. My son is now 10 which makes the recent court case all the more unsettling.
Fatal Peckham stabbing hours after Damilola verdictApr 7 2006
DEADLY knife culture claimed another victim on Peckham's streets within hours of the Damilola Taylor verdicts.
The same day jurors cleared two brothers of murdering 10-year-old Dami, a man in his 30s was stabbed to death at a bus stop outside Peckham library.
In a cruel twist, that was where Damilola Taylor was last seen attending a computer class before he was found bleeding to death on November 27, 2000.
It is thought this week's victim was about to board a number 78 bus in Peckham Hill Street when the killer plunged a blade into his neck.
A stunned cyclist, who claimed he was riding past with friends and witnessed the stabbing at 11.50pm on Tuesday, told the South London Press: "We could see two people at the bus stop and, as we cruised past on our bikes, we saw one had a knife.
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abzug PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:22 pm
Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham? The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:39 pm
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I hope that's £300m EKNY?
Thx for catching that, corrected now, yes. --e The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:53 pm
abzug wrote:
Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham?
Oh deffo... well Al obviously hails from Scotland at some point but yes they are Peckham gals!!!!
Our crime rates especially violent crime are pretty low compared to the parts of the States..the 'gun culture' is nowhere on the same scale but in some areas knives are a problem. In some particulary bad schools schools the kids are frisked. And British Rail have just completed a trial for scanning passengers as they to and fro the trains...to cut down[no pun intended] on train related stabbings.
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And it's fair to say that Al was probably from a similar part of Glasgow.... G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:03 pm
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And it's fair to say that Al was probably from a similar part of Glasgow....
Speaking of Helen, I am wondering: she is pretty much using an accent similar to her (SL's) speaking voice, yes? Not impossible to do something else for multiple seasons, but unless it's required by the part, not really necessary either, seems to me. But she could be doing subtle variations I can't catch. You know, like the difference between someone coming from NY, Philly, or NJ: that would all blur & just sound like 'regional East Coast' (or perhaps 'New England', even) to someone from the South or other parts of the country--but to people in the tri-state area, those are extremely distinct accents.
Separate question: Should we be assuming Helen comes from the region around Edinburgh or what? Is there any idiosyncracy of Helen's speech that makes anyone on the board with a sensitive ear think, Oh, *I* know right near where she's from, it's such-and-such! or something like that?
In general I've been assuming Helen's basically Lowland Scots, but beyond that broad paintbrush thought... gee, doh, maybe I should ASK. The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:28 pm
I can't remember where Helen is supposed to be from..is it Edinburgh?
Simone is from Stirling which is I think a softer accent than say Glaswegian one. Which like Al's can be a harder.
Folk from Edinburgh tend to have a less harsh accent.
Again it's a class thing, the more middle and upper class a Scot is, the more 'refined' the accent.
Have you ever seen the film The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie [played by Maggie Smith and by Geraldie McEwen on the TV version] she was a Girl's School teacher from Edinburgh and had a delightful refined posh 'educated' Scottish accent. Although I suppose it could be thought of as more 'English' rather than 'refined' which is not necessarily always a good thing ..especially from a Scots perspective?
[We also used to have a comedy show starring a character called Rab C Nesbitt a drunken Glaswegian who nobody could understand...lol]
If you listen to Simone in the interviews, her voice is more or less 'Helen's' but like all Scots the accent becomes broader with excitement, alcohol or when angry...lol G3 landing
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Xenclair PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:03 pm
That is sad the young man being stabbed.
Another question:
What is a "Slack Divie" ? Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:20 pm
Slack Divvy
A Div is someone who is is thick, it's something Shell might call Denny if she was being slow on the uptake
'div' Noun. An idiot, a pitiable person, a contemptible person. Cf. 'divvy'.
'Slack' means loose.
Can be used a about a person of loose morals...or I suppose loose brain cells ...lol?
A 'Slacker' is someone who is lazy and scives off work.
What context was it used in?
Sounds like a Shell or Yvonne saying...?? G3 landing
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Xenclair PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:53 am
Thanks.
The Julies called Crystal one for writing the letter that caused them having closed visits.
Di called Denny a Divvy, for being one, slow on the up take.:)
We have slackers here,but don't use "Slack" like you guys.:) Don't you wish it was electric
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:42 am
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COOLUK1 wrote:
'Slack' means loose.
Can be used a about a person of loose morals...or I suppose loose brain cells ...lol?
You know, I puzzled over "slack divvy" for quite a while myself when the episode first aired. Yes, I can understand why the Julies called Crystal a "divvy", it's a well-used taunt that is one of hundreds that can be hurled at someone who's done something stupid.
"Slack" though...well, i've only heard it used in two contexts over here...
1) "Slack Alice", a derogatory term used to describe a woman of 'loose morals'. However, this is quite an archaic term nowadays and i've only ever heard it used oop North.
2) "nutty slack" - a type of coal. One of my favourite expressions ever is "don't go down the mine dad, there's plenty of slack in your pants" - I got this a lot from my step-dad (git that he was) when humungously baggy jeans were the vogue in Manchester back in the late eighties/early nineties.
Still puzzling over this. Unless, like Cool says, "slack" refers to slack braincells?? I suppose it could also mean that Crystal's got a "slack mouth" ...i.e. not knowing when she should keep her gob shut... G 2 rank
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Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham?
I remember back in the 80's when the terminally awful boy-band Bros ruled supreme. If I recall correctly, their most fanatical supporters were a large gang of girls from the Peckham area. Only rather than being your usual group of squealing, hormonal girlies, they used to get quite violent and beat up other fans, threaten the band member's girlfriends etc etc... G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 2:43 pm
Peckham Boot Gang
Peckham is a part of South East London [was the setting for the long running Brit comedy ..Only Fools and Horses] ..lots of large council estates and tenament blocks, which had a reputation for being rough and run down, with lots of street crime etc etc ...not so much now..as the yuppies have moved in....lol
A 'boot gang' I guess is literally a gang who use their boots ie give people a good kicking...?
...well they were really inside for unpaid library fines so they were actually the ...
Peckham BookGang...lol G3 landing
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abzug wrote:
This one was so in my face it took me forever to realize I didn't understand it. The Peckham Boot Gang: does Peckham refer to a place? What is that place? Why did they choose that for their name?
CoolUK1 is of course correct, there's been a lot of effort in the area following the knifing death of 10-year-old Damilola Taylor in 2000. Some £300m has been pouring into developing the area, but gentrification efforts continue in the face of gang-related activities.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:07 pm
I hope that's £300m EKNY?
Here's Damilola bless his heart. My son is now 10 which makes the recent court case all the more unsettling.
Fatal Peckham stabbing hours after Damilola verdictApr 7 2006
DEADLY knife culture claimed another victim on Peckham's streets within hours of the Damilola Taylor verdicts.
The same day jurors cleared two brothers of murdering 10-year-old Dami, a man in his 30s was stabbed to death at a bus stop outside Peckham library.
In a cruel twist, that was where Damilola Taylor was last seen attending a computer class before he was found bleeding to death on November 27, 2000.
It is thought this week's victim was about to board a number 78 bus in Peckham Hill Street when the killer plunged a blade into his neck.
A stunned cyclist, who claimed he was riding past with friends and witnessed the stabbing at 11.50pm on Tuesday, told the South London Press: "We could see two people at the bus stop and, as we cruised past on our bikes, we saw one had a knife.
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Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham? The Garden Assistant
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:39 pm
COOLUK1 wrote:
I hope that's £300m EKNY?
Thx for catching that, corrected now, yes. --e The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 6:53 pm
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Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham?
Oh deffo... well Al obviously hails from Scotland at some point but yes they are Peckham gals!!!!
Our crime rates especially violent crime are pretty low compared to the parts of the States..the 'gun culture' is nowhere on the same scale but in some areas knives are a problem. In some particulary bad schools schools the kids are frisked. And British Rail have just completed a trial for scanning passengers as they to and fro the trains...to cut down[no pun intended] on train related stabbings.
The 'Peckham' girls would have been familiar with knives I guess, so it was natural for them to nick the ones from the kitchen G3 landing
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Evangelist PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:07 pm
And it's fair to say that Al was probably from a similar part of Glasgow.... G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 9:03 pm
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And it's fair to say that Al was probably from a similar part of Glasgow....
Speaking of Helen, I am wondering: she is pretty much using an accent similar to her (SL's) speaking voice, yes? Not impossible to do something else for multiple seasons, but unless it's required by the part, not really necessary either, seems to me. But she could be doing subtle variations I can't catch. You know, like the difference between someone coming from NY, Philly, or NJ: that would all blur & just sound like 'regional East Coast' (or perhaps 'New England', even) to someone from the South or other parts of the country--but to people in the tri-state area, those are extremely distinct accents.
Separate question: Should we be assuming Helen comes from the region around Edinburgh or what? Is there any idiosyncracy of Helen's speech that makes anyone on the board with a sensitive ear think, Oh, *I* know right near where she's from, it's such-and-such! or something like that?
In general I've been assuming Helen's basically Lowland Scots, but beyond that broad paintbrush thought... gee, doh, maybe I should ASK. The Garden Assistant
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 10:28 pm
I can't remember where Helen is supposed to be from..is it Edinburgh?
Simone is from Stirling which is I think a softer accent than say Glaswegian one. Which like Al's can be a harder.
Folk from Edinburgh tend to have a less harsh accent.
Again it's a class thing, the more middle and upper class a Scot is, the more 'refined' the accent.
Have you ever seen the film The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie [played by Maggie Smith and by Geraldie McEwen on the TV version] she was a Girl's School teacher from Edinburgh and had a delightful refined posh 'educated' Scottish accent. Although I suppose it could be thought of as more 'English' rather than 'refined' which is not necessarily always a good thing ..especially from a Scots perspective?
[We also used to have a comedy show starring a character called Rab C Nesbitt a drunken Glaswegian who nobody could understand...lol]
If you listen to Simone in the interviews, her voice is more or less 'Helen's' but like all Scots the accent becomes broader with excitement, alcohol or when angry...lol G3 landing
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Xenclair PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:03 pm
That is sad the young man being stabbed.
Another question:
What is a "Slack Divie" ? Don't you wish it was electric
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:20 pm
Slack Divvy
A Div is someone who is is thick, it's something Shell might call Denny if she was being slow on the uptake
'div' Noun. An idiot, a pitiable person, a contemptible person. Cf. 'divvy'.
'Slack' means loose.
Can be used a about a person of loose morals...or I suppose loose brain cells ...lol?
A 'Slacker' is someone who is lazy and scives off work.
What context was it used in?
Sounds like a Shell or Yvonne saying...?? G3 landing
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Xenclair PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:53 am
Thanks.
The Julies called Crystal one for writing the letter that caused them having closed visits.
Di called Denny a Divvy, for being one, slow on the up take.:)
We have slackers here,but don't use "Slack" like you guys.:) Don't you wish it was electric
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:42 am
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COOLUK1 wrote:
'Slack' means loose.
Can be used a about a person of loose morals...or I suppose loose brain cells ...lol?
You know, I puzzled over "slack divvy" for quite a while myself when the episode first aired. Yes, I can understand why the Julies called Crystal a "divvy", it's a well-used taunt that is one of hundreds that can be hurled at someone who's done something stupid.
"Slack" though...well, i've only heard it used in two contexts over here...
1) "Slack Alice", a derogatory term used to describe a woman of 'loose morals'. However, this is quite an archaic term nowadays and i've only ever heard it used oop North.
2) "nutty slack" - a type of coal. One of my favourite expressions ever is "don't go down the mine dad, there's plenty of slack in your pants" - I got this a lot from my step-dad (git that he was) when humungously baggy jeans were the vogue in Manchester back in the late eighties/early nineties.
Still puzzling over this. Unless, like Cool says, "slack" refers to slack braincells?? I suppose it could also mean that Crystal's got a "slack mouth" ...i.e. not knowing when she should keep her gob shut... G 2 rank
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:05 am
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Wow, sounds like an awful neighborhood. Are we supposed to assume that these three characters are FROM Peckham?
I remember back in the 80's when the terminally awful boy-band Bros ruled supreme. If I recall correctly, their most fanatical supporters were a large gang of girls from the Peckham area. Only rather than being your usual group of squealing, hormonal girlies, they used to get quite violent and beat up other fans, threaten the band member's girlfriends etc etc... G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:16 am
Brosettes
Ahhhh who can forget Matt and Luke Goss...well most everyone actually ....lol
http://www.thebubbleburst.co.uk/bb.php?entry=Bros
If I read that right the third member of Bros, Craig Logan ia now Pinks manager so he did OK!!!
Bros fans were called 'Brosettes' it seems...I didn't realise there was a 'Peckham' connection!!! G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:22 am
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Simone is from Stirling which is I think a softer accent than say Glaswegian one. Which like Al's can be a harder.
Folk from Edinburgh tend to have a less harsh accent.
Again it's a class thing, the more middle and upper class a Scot is, the more 'refined' the accent.
I don't think we ever did find out exactly where Helen was supposed to be from did we?
Agree with you on the accents though. Having said that though, the only two Scottish accents I can distinguish are Edinburgh and Glaswegian...yes, the 'weegie' accent is a lot harsher and sometimes a lot thicker (like Rab C) and harder to understand. I used to date a girl from Edinburgh and I remember the two of us encountering a Glaswegian conductor on a London bus...listening to the two of them at the same time, the differences were glaring.
Pity there's no Welsh characters in BG...after nearly 4 years of living here in Cardiff, i'm getting pretty good at distinguishing the regional differences in the Welsh accent.
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Have you ever seen the film The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie [played by Maggie Smith and by Geraldie McEwen on the TV version] she was a Girl's School teacher from Edinburgh and had a delightful refined posh 'educated' Scottish accent. Although I suppose it could be thought of as more 'English' rather than 'refined' which is not necessarily always a good thing ..especially from a Scots perspective?
This made me think of a sketch from Kenny Everett's TV show where him and Billy Connolly were dressed up in posh dresses (complete with beards) and drinking tea in a very refined looking establishment. They of course were trying to talk in the 'refined' Scots accent but kept erupting in fits of giggles...hysterical.
Maggie Smith has sort of kept that accent for the Harry Potter films don't you think?? It's really hard to try and describe what it sounds like though but there definitely a lot of over-enunciation going on. G 2 rank
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:52 am
Scots accents
Oh yes MS is cracking in HP!!!
I really love listening to Billy Connelly...he uses his voice wonderfully.
He did a one or two travel documentaries ..not sure what to call them?
Where you'd see him doing his one man show, then he take you the sites ..the one that sticks in my mind is his time in New Zealand..amazingl.
He's not a bad actor either in 'Mrs Brown' playing John Brown to Judy Dench's Queen Victoria
Check out his site Filbert !!
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:04 am
Wow! That site is amazing!!
As much as I love his documentary type stuff and his 'serious' roles, I have to say, he'll always do his best stuff on stage. Last time I saw one of his stand-up vids, I laughed until I cried and my stomach felt like it was going to burst open.
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:15 pm
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ekny, have you got the one from Shell in S1 Ep 2, when she says to Monica who, with her posh voice is making the phonecall to David's school , posing as Julie, "Come on 'ooray!" Also in S1 Ep3, coming up the stairs towards Nikki standing talking to Monica,she says "What do you reckon it is with Wade and the Hooray Denny, she's not exactly a looker is she?"
A Hooray or Hooray Henry in it's full form, is (according to Oxford!) "British, derogatory;applied originally to a loud, rich, rather ineffectual or foolish young society man, and hence more specifically to a fashionable, extroverted, but conventional upper-class young man." I think in this instance however, Shell is using it in much the same way as Denny uses "Posh Bitch" to Monica, although it does have those overtones of posh people who supposedly talk loudly. I think Shell uses it elsewhere too (perhaps to Barbara), but I'm not sure where - I have something in my mind like "bleedin' 'ooray", but I could be mistaken.
By the way ekny - your new avatar - would you please explain! And I trust that is one of your American fruity type pies and not a Sweeney Todd type one which abzug has shipped upstate to you...although it does look like it has something red oozing out of the middle...naah, probably just some red fruit juice! Laughing G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:54 pm
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re: Hooray-- Wow, that's really useful, I didn't have the Hooray because it sounded so much like an almost-word my ears just slipped over it; it also sounds like 'whore' (whory), a bit, so I assumed Shell was just being her usual insulting self. Thanks!
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By the way ekny - your new avatar - would you please explain! And I trust that is one of your American fruity type pies and not a Sweeney Todd type one which abzug has shipped upstate to you...although it does look like it has something red oozing out of the middle...naah, probably just some red fruit juice! :lol:
Could be. It's a little hard to explain, but... there's this flash web-based cartoon called Weebl & Bob about these two, um, eggs? They just sit on the screen & say fairly stupid stuff to each other; occasionally other characters roll in. The humor's very odd. It's not always laugh-out-loud funny but there's something distinctive about it: the timing's deliberately off--the words on the screen differ a bit from what the characters are saying; the speed at which the speech-bubbles pop up is out of sync with their mouths; they introduce deliberate spelling errors; and of course, Weebl & Bob are both total idiots (they are eggs, after all--although little Bob, as Sidekick, is really smarter & more insightful than Weebl)... it's very hard to pin down. There's some clever growth in the animators' skills over the years, different elements show up so sometimes entire genres--detective shows or Bergman films--are being set up. And there's something (to me) distinctly British about the humor. Sorry, analysing what makes something funny is always hard.
If you try to jump in the middle, it won't make sense, cause it's kind of a serial, but... well. Up to you. Some are slow. Some are done by a different animator & are very weird but haha drug humor. Some are fairly crass but harmless boy-humor. There's an early one just called Art in the archives I think is brilliant.
Weebl & Bob have this one obsession: pies. No reason for it. Fans started sending in famous art works modified to include pie-like characters or references. So when I started the avatar thing the first one I put up was a Piecasso. This is also from the Weebl site, it's the fourth horseman of the Piecalypse.
Um. Not that I think any of that helped but... em. Fanks for asking?
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:31 pm
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Thanks ekny, that did help! And I have just had a quick shufti at your "two, um, eggs?" and they look most intriguing, definitely off the wall! I'll have to go back and have a good look, but I like the "Art" one - good music too! Very Happy
btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! Very Happy G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:44 pm
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
Thanks ekny, that did help! And I have just had a quick shufti at your "two, um, eggs?" and they look most intriguing, definitely off the wall! I'll have to go back and have a good look, but I like the "Art" one - good music too! :-D
The van den Budenmayer? It's a perfect selection, absolutely. I find the whole routine just too funny, happy to hear you got it/liked it. ;)
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btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! :-D
Shufti--what's the referent? The Garden Assistant
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:19 pm
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Not everything has a Bad Girls reference ekny! Laughing Bleedin' 'eck, you'll be dreaming about this Glossary soon! Shocked Sorry, I merely meant, do you have this word in "Americanese" (not in your BG glossary), just in case you didn't, I was providing you with an explanation - to pre-empt you asking! Laughing G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:34 pm
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
Not everything has a Bad Girls reference ekny! :lol: Bleedin' 'eck, you'll be dreaming about this Glossary soon! :shock: Sorry, I merely meant, do you have this word in "Americanese" (not in your BG glossary), just in case you didn't, I was providing you with an explanation - to pre-empt you asking! :lol:
Not... everything... has... a... Bad Girls.... <fzzzzt!> <pop, crackle>
zzzzt.
Abzug? Help me! What is she saying? It sounds like "not everything has a Bad Girls reference" but her accent... I'm having difficulties.
Must go have a lie-down.
I'm gonna have to go think up a 404-BG screen now, see what you've done?! Sheesh. "Not everything--". Wash your mouth out, gel, what you finkin'? Must be Welsh.
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:47 pm
Re: Please help us dumb... Wait. A. Minute...
Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! :-D
This was a Trick Question! I KNEW something was amiss! ;)
No, we don't have shufti anyfink. This guy has very clean explanations (when he's got them--bit hit or miss):
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-shu1.htm
>>>Shufti (another way of writing it, the one usually given in dictionaries) is Arabic. In that language it means “have you seen?”. It’s a bit of military slang, picked up by British servicemen formerly based in the Middle East. The first recorded examples in print are from the Second World War, suggesting that it may have originated among soldiers in the desert campaign. However, Eric Partridge says that it actually started life with Royal Air Force stations in that area about 1925, but that it had spread to the Army by 1930. This seems probable, to judge from the extent of its use in World War Two, and the number of compounds it spawned, none of which seem to have survived the end of the War. Among them, Partridge mentions shuftiscope, which had a number of senses, one of which he defines with ponderous delicacy as “an instrument used by doctors for research in cases of dysentery.”<<< The Garden Assistant
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:59 am
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Eeeuuw! I reckon I'll give that shuftiscope a miss! I don't think I'll be looking out for a used one on eBay any time soon! Laughing
Brosettes
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http://www.thebubbleburst.co.uk/bb.php?entry=Bros
If I read that right the third member of Bros, Craig Logan ia now Pinks manager so he did OK!!!
Bros fans were called 'Brosettes' it seems...I didn't realise there was a 'Peckham' connection!!! G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:22 am
COOLUK1 wrote:
Simone is from Stirling which is I think a softer accent than say Glaswegian one. Which like Al's can be a harder.
Folk from Edinburgh tend to have a less harsh accent.
Again it's a class thing, the more middle and upper class a Scot is, the more 'refined' the accent.
I don't think we ever did find out exactly where Helen was supposed to be from did we?
Agree with you on the accents though. Having said that though, the only two Scottish accents I can distinguish are Edinburgh and Glaswegian...yes, the 'weegie' accent is a lot harsher and sometimes a lot thicker (like Rab C) and harder to understand. I used to date a girl from Edinburgh and I remember the two of us encountering a Glaswegian conductor on a London bus...listening to the two of them at the same time, the differences were glaring.
Pity there's no Welsh characters in BG...after nearly 4 years of living here in Cardiff, i'm getting pretty good at distinguishing the regional differences in the Welsh accent.
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Have you ever seen the film The Prime Of Miss Jean Brodie [played by Maggie Smith and by Geraldie McEwen on the TV version] she was a Girl's School teacher from Edinburgh and had a delightful refined posh 'educated' Scottish accent. Although I suppose it could be thought of as more 'English' rather than 'refined' which is not necessarily always a good thing ..especially from a Scots perspective?
This made me think of a sketch from Kenny Everett's TV show where him and Billy Connolly were dressed up in posh dresses (complete with beards) and drinking tea in a very refined looking establishment. They of course were trying to talk in the 'refined' Scots accent but kept erupting in fits of giggles...hysterical.
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COOLUK1 PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 8:52 am
Scots accents
Oh yes MS is cracking in HP!!!
I really love listening to Billy Connelly...he uses his voice wonderfully.
He did a one or two travel documentaries ..not sure what to call them?
Where you'd see him doing his one man show, then he take you the sites ..the one that sticks in my mind is his time in New Zealand..amazingl.
He's not a bad actor either in 'Mrs Brown' playing John Brown to Judy Dench's Queen Victoria
Check out his site Filbert !!
http://www.billyconnolly.com/ G3 landing
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filbertfox PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 9:04 am
Wow! That site is amazing!!
As much as I love his documentary type stuff and his 'serious' roles, I have to say, he'll always do his best stuff on stage. Last time I saw one of his stand-up vids, I laughed until I cried and my stomach felt like it was going to burst open.
And of course, somehow him being married to Pamela Stephenson slipped my mind...she's spread her wings a bit since 'Not the Nine O'clock News' hasn't she? G 2 rank
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:15 pm
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ekny, have you got the one from Shell in S1 Ep 2, when she says to Monica who, with her posh voice is making the phonecall to David's school , posing as Julie, "Come on 'ooray!" Also in S1 Ep3, coming up the stairs towards Nikki standing talking to Monica,she says "What do you reckon it is with Wade and the Hooray Denny, she's not exactly a looker is she?"
A Hooray or Hooray Henry in it's full form, is (according to Oxford!) "British, derogatory;applied originally to a loud, rich, rather ineffectual or foolish young society man, and hence more specifically to a fashionable, extroverted, but conventional upper-class young man." I think in this instance however, Shell is using it in much the same way as Denny uses "Posh Bitch" to Monica, although it does have those overtones of posh people who supposedly talk loudly. I think Shell uses it elsewhere too (perhaps to Barbara), but I'm not sure where - I have something in my mind like "bleedin' 'ooray", but I could be mistaken.
By the way ekny - your new avatar - would you please explain! And I trust that is one of your American fruity type pies and not a Sweeney Todd type one which abzug has shipped upstate to you...although it does look like it has something red oozing out of the middle...naah, probably just some red fruit juice! Laughing G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:54 pm
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re: Hooray-- Wow, that's really useful, I didn't have the Hooray because it sounded so much like an almost-word my ears just slipped over it; it also sounds like 'whore' (whory), a bit, so I assumed Shell was just being her usual insulting self. Thanks!
Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
By the way ekny - your new avatar - would you please explain! And I trust that is one of your American fruity type pies and not a Sweeney Todd type one which abzug has shipped upstate to you...although it does look like it has something red oozing out of the middle...naah, probably just some red fruit juice! :lol:
Could be. It's a little hard to explain, but... there's this flash web-based cartoon called Weebl & Bob about these two, um, eggs? They just sit on the screen & say fairly stupid stuff to each other; occasionally other characters roll in. The humor's very odd. It's not always laugh-out-loud funny but there's something distinctive about it: the timing's deliberately off--the words on the screen differ a bit from what the characters are saying; the speed at which the speech-bubbles pop up is out of sync with their mouths; they introduce deliberate spelling errors; and of course, Weebl & Bob are both total idiots (they are eggs, after all--although little Bob, as Sidekick, is really smarter & more insightful than Weebl)... it's very hard to pin down. There's some clever growth in the animators' skills over the years, different elements show up so sometimes entire genres--detective shows or Bergman films--are being set up. And there's something (to me) distinctly British about the humor. Sorry, analysing what makes something funny is always hard.
If you try to jump in the middle, it won't make sense, cause it's kind of a serial, but... well. Up to you. Some are slow. Some are done by a different animator & are very weird but haha drug humor. Some are fairly crass but harmless boy-humor. There's an early one just called Art in the archives I think is brilliant.
Weebl & Bob have this one obsession: pies. No reason for it. Fans started sending in famous art works modified to include pie-like characters or references. So when I started the avatar thing the first one I put up was a Piecasso. This is also from the Weebl site, it's the fourth horseman of the Piecalypse.
Um. Not that I think any of that helped but... em. Fanks for asking?
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:31 pm
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Thanks ekny, that did help! And I have just had a quick shufti at your "two, um, eggs?" and they look most intriguing, definitely off the wall! I'll have to go back and have a good look, but I like the "Art" one - good music too! Very Happy
btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! Very Happy G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:44 pm
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Thanks ekny, that did help! And I have just had a quick shufti at your "two, um, eggs?" and they look most intriguing, definitely off the wall! I'll have to go back and have a good look, but I like the "Art" one - good music too! :-D
The van den Budenmayer? It's a perfect selection, absolutely. I find the whole routine just too funny, happy to hear you got it/liked it. ;)
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btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! :-D
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:19 pm
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Not everything has a Bad Girls reference ekny! Laughing Bleedin' 'eck, you'll be dreaming about this Glossary soon! Shocked Sorry, I merely meant, do you have this word in "Americanese" (not in your BG glossary), just in case you didn't, I was providing you with an explanation - to pre-empt you asking! Laughing G 2 rank
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:34 pm
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Not everything has a Bad Girls reference ekny! :lol: Bleedin' 'eck, you'll be dreaming about this Glossary soon! :shock: Sorry, I merely meant, do you have this word in "Americanese" (not in your BG glossary), just in case you didn't, I was providing you with an explanation - to pre-empt you asking! :lol:
Not... everything... has... a... Bad Girls.... <fzzzzt!> <pop, crackle>
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Abzug? Help me! What is she saying? It sounds like "not everything has a Bad Girls reference" but her accent... I'm having difficulties.
Must go have a lie-down.
I'm gonna have to go think up a 404-BG screen now, see what you've done?! Sheesh. "Not everything--". Wash your mouth out, gel, what you finkin'? Must be Welsh.
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ekny PostPosted: Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:47 pm
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan wrote:
btw "shufti" - Do you have that word? In case you don't... I am looking up here, and it says it is British, so perhaps you don't, so before you ask - "orig. army slang: from Arabic sufti have you seen? from saf see", and of course meaning a look or a glance! :-D
This was a Trick Question! I KNEW something was amiss! ;)
No, we don't have shufti anyfink. This guy has very clean explanations (when he's got them--bit hit or miss):
http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-shu1.htm
>>>Shufti (another way of writing it, the one usually given in dictionaries) is Arabic. In that language it means “have you seen?”. It’s a bit of military slang, picked up by British servicemen formerly based in the Middle East. The first recorded examples in print are from the Second World War, suggesting that it may have originated among soldiers in the desert campaign. However, Eric Partridge says that it actually started life with Royal Air Force stations in that area about 1925, but that it had spread to the Army by 1930. This seems probable, to judge from the extent of its use in World War Two, and the number of compounds it spawned, none of which seem to have survived the end of the War. Among them, Partridge mentions shuftiscope, which had a number of senses, one of which he defines with ponderous delicacy as “an instrument used by doctors for research in cases of dysentery.”<<< The Garden Assistant
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Just Another Mad Bad Fan PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2006 12:59 am
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Eeeuuw! I reckon I'll give that shuftiscope a miss! I don't think I'll be looking out for a used one on eBay any time soon! Laughing