Title: Poison Red Pen Society
Description: Grammar Freaks Unite!
kikyophobia - January 23, 2008 02:15 AM (GMT)
Well, I know that there are a few Grammar Freaks, or whatever you want to call them, on this site. I know I am definitely one of them. (I'm fairly sure I've corrupted my poor boyfriend as well.) Anyway, I guess this is just a place where we can all discuss the problems in a lot of fanfictions we see and such.
. . .
And a place to be crazy.
like_light_to_the_flies - January 23, 2008 02:19 AM (GMT)
First, congrats for making the 1,800th topic here in Pizza at 2am. Yay! ^^
Second, I think there needs to be like...I don't know. A proofreading deal for fic writers who either don't trust their writing skills that much or just want a second opinion on it before posting.
I think if all the fan fic writers here had it, all of them would be enjoyable reads.
3Bowlsof_RAMEN - January 23, 2008 03:17 AM (GMT)
Hello!
One problem I see in fanfictions is when people can't use their speech quotes properly. It bugs me to hell. :/
And the capitalizations!
And yea, I've seen some really bad grammar, structure and such but I can't complain.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 03:24 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (like_light_to_the_flies @ Jan 22 2008, 08:19 PM) |
First, congrats for making the 1,800th topic here in Pizza at 2am. Yay! ^^
Second, I think there needs to be like...I don't know. A proofreading deal for fic writers who either don't trust their writing skills that much or just want a second opinion on it before posting.
I think if all the fan fic writers here had it, all of them would be enjoyable reads. |
I'D SIGN UP FOR THAT JOB. :D
Saku-Tatsuya - January 23, 2008 03:33 AM (GMT)
I'm one of those people.
What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism!
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 03:45 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) |
I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
Saku-Tatsuya - January 23, 2008 03:50 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) |
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
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I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 03:53 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:50 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
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I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
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....Oh crap. I just totally just gave her a wall of text.
Saku-Tatsuya - January 23, 2008 03:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:53 PM) |
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:50 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
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I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
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....Oh crap. I just totally just gave her a wall of text.
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Ah well.
Lets see if she'll respond maturly.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 03:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:55 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:53 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:50 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
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I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
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....Oh crap. I just totally just gave her a wall of text.
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Ah well. Lets see if she'll respond maturly.
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If you can't handle it, don't write.
Hell, when people critize me, I always thank them for the help and then I go and fix it. They're trying to HELP. Unless they're trying to be mean, and then I just flame them for not having a life and being losers.
Saku-Tatsuya - January 23, 2008 03:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:56 PM) |
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:55 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:53 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:50 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
|
I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
|
....Oh crap. I just totally just gave her a wall of text.
|
Ah well. Lets see if she'll respond maturly.
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If you can't handle it, don't write.
Hell, when people critize me, I always thank them for the help and then I go and fix it.
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Me too.
Hell one time when I was updating UnSins; I gave one of my English teachers a copy (cutting out the lemon) and they corrected my grammar mistakes and gave tips.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 03:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:58 PM) |
| QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:56 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:55 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:53 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:50 PM) | | QUOTE (Ashita Genki Ni Naare @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM) | | QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Jan 22 2008, 09:33 PM) | I'm one of those people. What bugs me about some writers are the ones that can't take criticism! |
I KNOW. YOU KNOW HOW LONG I TAKE ON MY WALLS OF TEXT? AND NOBODY EVER LISTENS TO THEM... IT MAKES ME ANGRY. Especially when they call me mean...
|
I remember that time when Kaiame said that apparently Inari couldn't take constructive criticism.
|
....Oh crap. I just totally just gave her a wall of text.
|
Ah well. Lets see if she'll respond maturly.
|
If you can't handle it, don't write.
Hell, when people critize me, I always thank them for the help and then I go and fix it.
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Me too. Hell one time when I was updating UnSins; I gave one of my English teachers a copy (cutting out the lemon) and they corrected my grammar mistakes and gave tips.
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I should do that... But I'd be embarrassed about it...
kikyophobia - January 23, 2008 05:25 AM (GMT)
I hate that as well. My critiques sometimes end up longer than the fanfiction itself, depending on what all is wrong with it. It does take time and effort on my part, and that amount of work deserves a mature reaction.
I also hate it when writers say that they'll fix the problems and don't. I hate saying the same thing over and over again. It gets old.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 23, 2008 12:36 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kikyophobia @ Jan 22 2008, 11:25 PM) |
I hate that as well. My critiques sometimes end up longer than the fanfiction itself, depending on what all is wrong with it. It does take time and effort on my part, and that amount of work deserves a mature reaction.
I also hate it when writers say that they'll fix the problems and don't. I hate saying the same thing over and over again. It gets old. |
My critique always is longer than the story because I only review the really bad ones. If it's good, I usually don't review...
I know, if you're going to say something, then do it. Do you think professional writers say, "Yea I'll fix that" and then never do? Of course not. They just don't want to be professional.
kikyophobia - January 23, 2008 04:33 PM (GMT)
Definitely. And here's a point I want to make to all authors:
You don't need a critique to learn. You just don't. I rarely get criticized, but I find myself getting better and better. Why? Because I seek out the authors that write better than I do. I'm not even talking about fanfiction authors. I'm talking about published authors. I owe half of my ability to Janet Fitch. Her work is outstanding, and I have learned so much just by reading it.
That's all you have to do. You have to read. Look at the devices used by the authors that are better than you are. Look at their syntax, diction, imagery, etc. Think about those concepts and learn from them. Slowly, you'll begin using them in your own writing. You'll be amazed by the difference. I promise.
Dark - January 23, 2008 04:36 PM (GMT)
I write, I just don't post it up all over the internet. It's more for my own comfort and satisfaction; if I'm in a bad mood, I'll write a chapter or two. If I'm in a good mood, I'll write a chapter or two. I definately look up to the Canadian author Kit Pearson. Her work is outstanding. I absolutely adore her books. Especially Awake and Dreaming. God she's good...
I'm a grammar freak, too. I hate bad grammar and spelling because, well, it's just flat out hard to understand.
kikyophobia - January 23, 2008 04:46 PM (GMT)
Dark - January 23, 2008 05:00 PM (GMT)
It kind of bothers me when you know someone who is EXTREMELY smart, but when they're talking to you on MSN, they talk like morons. "hey wat r u up 2?"
That's how my ex-boyfriend talks to me. But the thing is, he is a straight 95 average student. It's kind of like, "hey, you've got the grades, why don't you type like you do?"
It's just a little pet peeve of mine.
Saku-Tatsuya - January 23, 2008 07:59 PM (GMT)
I mostly learned from getting critiqued but I also learned to write better in the many books I've read. I used to try to write like JK Rowling until well... I found out that there are better ways of writing. Somehow, when I'm depressed, most of my stories end up being tradegies because that's just how I release take out all of that. There is this one fanfiction that I did write that was a total tragedy. Never posted it, never will. Mainly because the story is kinda personal.
Recently I've been studying Old English and its actually a pretty good tool to use; especially if the characters are in the middle ages. I don't use it often but I do sometimes just to experiment how it makes a differance to the story. I just don't use it too much because readers (especially younger ones or those who never studied Old English) just won't understand half of the story and I hate having to explain every little thing. However I do try to refrain from using slang; it's just that it's just not my style. I do use it sometimes though; depending if I'm feeling lazy or not.
Ashita Genki Ni Naare - January 24, 2008 12:44 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Dark @ Jan 23 2008, 11:00 AM) |
It kind of bothers me when you know someone who is EXTREMELY smart, but when they're talking to you on MSN, they talk like morons. "hey wat r u up 2?"
That's how my ex-boyfriend talks to me. But the thing is, he is a straight 95 average student. It's kind of like, "hey, you've got the grades, why don't you type like you do?"
It's just a little pet peeve of mine. |
I HATE THAT. I HATE THAT WITH A BURNING PASSION.
Lacus Clyne - January 25, 2008 12:08 AM (GMT)
I have a friend who treats me like an idiot and yet can't form a grammatically correct sentence to save her life >.> I'm gonna kill her, BTW.
Yeah, I hate when people use bad grammar AT ALL. On MSN, I will correct my parents' spelling. (yeah, they made me add them...) And I hate grammatically incorrect fanfictions even more. So much that I will review, and the whole review - longer, of course, than the chapter being reviewed - will revolve around how it's a good plot but more people would read it if it were betaed, and I'd be the perfect beta.... yeah...
kikyophobia - January 27, 2008 04:38 AM (GMT)
Dude... I am in the mood to critique today. I just spent some time critiquing a poem here on the IJ. Fun, fun. ^^
Saku-Tatsuya - January 27, 2008 04:39 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kikyophobia @ Jan 26 2008, 09:38 PM) |
| Dude... I am in the mood to critique today. I just spent some time critiquing a poem here on the IJ. Fun, fun. ^^ |
Giving critque is so fun.
:3
Although these days my wall-o-texts seem shorter.
kikyophobia - January 27, 2008 04:41 AM (GMT)
Mine are getting...longer. xD I don't even think authors bother to read it anymore.
Saku-Tatsuya - January 28, 2008 07:50 PM (GMT)
Most authors would read mine and say 'I'll improve' and they don't. But what peeves me off is that some authors would write in the same style for years with little or no improvement at all. Like there are some authors who would stick to writing first person for years and in the same style. For example:
"Hi my name is.... I like... I am ____ years old.... I am a _____" Or anything like that. Hence why most of the time I don't really write in first person nor read too many first person fanfictions.
kikyophobia - January 29, 2008 03:07 AM (GMT)
Oh, I love writing in first person. I love reading it, but only when it's well done. It's a very rare thing to find in fanfictions.
kikyophobia - February 5, 2008 06:34 PM (GMT)
Bleh. I wrote the longest critique today on one of the Inuyasha fanfictions. My head hurts. xD
Saku-Tatsuya - February 6, 2008 10:21 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (kikyophobia @ Feb 5 2008, 11:34 AM) |
| Bleh. I wrote the longest critique today on one of the Inuyasha fanfictions. My head hurts. xD |
I saw! Twas epic and full of awesomeness. x3
Saku-Tatsuya - February 11, 2008 12:55 AM (GMT)
Sorry for DP
Anyways, I just realized that some of my stories involve death. Whether its murder or suicide or death by natural causes, in everyone of my stories (with the exception of some of my ealier works) there always has to be death in some shape or form.
kikyophobia - February 13, 2008 03:20 AM (GMT)
Ugh! You know what I am just SICK of seeing?
Inuyasha's POV...
Kagome's POV...
Random character's POV...
Umm... There's a thing called THIRD PERSON. It was invented for a reason, people! How about let's stick to ONE POINT OF VIEW! I mean, two characters is one thing, especially when you alternate chapter to chapter; but having ten point of view changes in one chapter is ridiculous! It is NOT that hard to write in third person and get EVERYONE'S point of view in without driving your readers to confusion and annoyance. Does ANYONE read books anymore?
Jeez...
Okay. Done with my mini-rant.
Saku-Tatsuya - February 13, 2008 03:38 AM (GMT)
I hate that a lot too. Most of the time I don't even bother reading them (Michelle's story at exception because it is an old story and it used to be one of my faves) mainly because of how ridiculous they are.
kikyophobia - February 13, 2008 03:59 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saku-Tatsuya @ Feb 12 2008, 10:38 PM) |
| I hate that a lot too. Most of the time I don't even bother reading them (Michelle's story at exception because it is an old story and it used to be one of my faves) mainly because of how ridiculous they are. |
It's actually frustrating that she does that. You know why? Because she's good. Good writers can't shine when they're using a technique, if you can call it that, that's so "young," for lack of a better word. I see plenty of people who do that, and it's a waste of their time and energy. Frankly, if I ever, and I'm a lot of people would agree with me, picked up a book that had all of those point of view changes, I'd put it down immediately. I wouldn't even bother.
Saku-Tatsuya - February 13, 2008 04:04 AM (GMT)
When I write stories, I sometimes rewrite them in a dfferent perspective. (For UnSins I did make a five chapter long story of that one that was in Suikotsu's perspective. Unforutuantly I wrote it down on paper. Once UnSins is finished I may post that).
I find it easier to just do that instead of having a billion point of beiws in one chapter.
Saku-Tatsuya - February 15, 2008 03:50 PM (GMT)
Sorry for DP once again
ARGH! If there's one thing about fanfiction world that peeves me off a lot its the fact that some people who have Mary Sues yell at other people for having Mary Sues. Whenever I critique a story, I almost never criticise the Mary Sue in the story, no matter how silly they look; because if I did that then I would technically be criticising the story itself which is something that I've vowed from now on to never aim at. But still; I am so sick of people like that! Ya know, all OCs will have a least a few Sue traits but it seems that some people are too stupid to realize that. Ugh. Well yes, some Sues are laughable (ex Ebony Dementria Darkness Raven Way or whatever the hell her name is) but I still never would criticise that.
If there's something that Sues are there for, it's wish fulfillment. I remember my old Sue that I had for beyblade. Ya know, she was such a Mary Sue but I was never ashamed. Mainly because in a way she was going through what I wished that I had to. I'm sure that all of our 'OCs' started out as Mary Sues and perhaps still are. Hence why I never would criticise anyone for having a Sue.
But what I also get annoyed at are people who do have Sues and CANNOT ADMIT IT! I understand that it is slightly embarassing to admit but there's nothing wrong with having a Mary Sue. Millions of other people have one too! There's actually nothing to be ashamed of when it comes to having a Sue. They are also partically there for the writer's (and sometimes even the reader's) comfort.
Yes it is good to have your character change a lot while you're developing him or her. But no matter what (if they're in a fanfiction) they'll always have some kind of Mary Sue traits. That's a fact that I think everyone needs to know. I admit, I write satire fics on sterotypical Sues but only because it is fun and for the sake of humoring people. I do not hate Sues, no matter how annoying some of them get! Hell, the satire fic I wrote on a typical Sue was that same Sue that I used to have just with a different name so I'm not making fun of someone else's.
kikyophobia - March 6, 2008 01:39 AM (GMT)
Ugh! I HATE people who can't take critiques! It's so frustrating! God! Just take the constructive criticism and use it! Either that, or just be grateful that someone cared enough to give you advice! Damn... It's not that hard!
Saku-Tatsuya - March 6, 2008 02:02 AM (GMT)
I hate those type of people too. D:
On FF.Net to some InuyashaxSesshomaru story, which I didn't like, I said both the good and bads of the writing and the aurthor and some of their fanies just ripped at me. Its sad really. I can't find the story but it was about how Inuyasha got pregnant just because Sesshomaru wished for it... or something. The storyline was confusing to keep up with. With the good stuff I said in the critque, I was just being nice. The story of it made absouletly no sense whatsoever.
The author spent too much time on describing the character's apperance and that **** and not enough time on setting, imagery and character's thoughts and feelings. Instead, the story was just too random and uninteresting for the fact that the author spent so much time on describing characters. And when the author is not doing that, they're so busy being bland.