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Title: Abbey Bartlet
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Locutus - January 14, 2005 03:53 PM (GMT)
Hmm... I don't know I think the writting for Abbey is a little forced. It is either that or played well... I am not, at this moment, a fan of Abbey Bartlet.

xShockwavex - January 16, 2005 11:32 AM (GMT)
to be honest i like her i think she keeps the president relationship seperate and keep the distance between the Oval and the Bedroom lol, and makes both jed and abbey's relationship look very realistic for example;

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ABBEY
[tight smile] Hello.

BARTLET
Hello.

ABBEY
Hello, pumpkin.

Mrs. Landingham closes the door. Abbey drops her suit coat over the back of a chair.

BARTLET
Abbey?

ABBEY
Hello, gumdrop.

BARTLET
[nervously] Listen... [quickly walks to the door and closes it]

ABBEY
[tight smile] Sam Seaborn came to see my Chief of Staff today. In fact, he did it twice.

BARTLET
Well, your Chief of Staff is a very attractive woman. Maybe he was, you know...

ABBEY
Jed...

BARTLET
Abbey, I told C.J. specifically...

ABBEY
Then C.J. got the signal wrong.

BARTLET
[contrite] No, she didn't.

ABBEY
What?

BARTLET
She didn't get the signal wrong. I wanted her to send someone.

ABBEY
Are you telling me...

BARTLET
This wire thing is a problem for me. The kid on TV was a mistake. And the amendment,
from Becky Reeseman...

ABBEY
I just killed it.

BARTLET
...will bring down a trade bill that's been worked on for years.

ABBEY
I said I just killed it.

BARTLET
[nods] Fine.

ABBEY
Jed, we share a bed. Why didn't you just come to me?

BARTLET
I staffed it out to C.J..

ABBEY
[angry] You staffed it out.

BARTLET
That's right.

ABBEY
[angry] You don't staff me out.

Bartlet paces, puts his hand on his head.

ABBEY
[angry] You don't give C.J. signals. You don't send Sam. And you don't bring Danny
Concannon up here. [loudly] Don't handle me, Jed!

BARTLET
[yells, bangs on the desk] Then don't play me, Abbey! Don't work me! A lot of people
around here think it was Lilly Mays, who planted you have a preference for Ron Erlich!

ABBEY
It wasn't Lilly Mays.

BARTLET
[loudly] I know it wasn't Lilly Mays. It was you!

ABBEY
[angry] Yes!

BARTLET
[angry] Yes!

ABBEY
Yes! And I'm sorry about that, but I wanted Ron to know that he had my support.

BARTLET
[angry] Well you put me in a bit of a spot there, Abigail. I name Ron Erlich now,
which I was going to do anyway, and it makes me look like I'm taking instructions
from my wife!

ABBEY
[loudly] Still it was wrong!

BARTLET
Are you talking about you or me?

ABBEY
[loudly] I'm talking about you. I'm talking about you sending people to me. And I tell
you what else I'm talking about. I'm talking about you waiting a day to name a new fed
chair, because thirty years ago the new fed chair was my boyfriend for six months.

BARTLET
[sternly] I'm talking about sending me messages through the press, and staking out
agendas on morning shows. We are not going to be these people, Abbey. I'm not gonna
do it! [loudly] I'll walk up to the hill right now, and I will give the Speaker of
the House my resignation.

ABBEY
The house isn't in session.

BARTLET
[yelling] Do you want to see me get on the phone and put it in session?!

ABBEY
[clipped] Don't raise your voice to me!

BARTLET
[yelling] It was nine months, Abbey. Not six months. And I waited a day on Skippy,
because the fed chair is a fairly important position, and I wanted to make damn
sure my decision was right.

ABBEY
[yelling] You already made your decision!

BARTLET
How the hell do you know?

ABBEY
[yelling] You just said so. "I name Ron Erlich now, which I was gonna do
anyway. It looks like I'm taking instructions from... my... wife!"

BARTLET
Yes.

ABBEY
Yes.

BARTLET
Yes.

Bartlet paces as they both cool off.

ABBEY
Okay. So just ease up on the high ground.

BARTLET
On that point I concede the high ground.

ABBEY
Then I concede I was wrong about the thing.

BARTLET
Good.

ABBEY
However...

BARTLET
No, no however. Just be wrong. Just stand there in your wrongness and be wrong, and
get used to it.

ABBEY
However...

BARTLET
Nine months, Abbey.

ABBEY
However...

BARTLET
Yes?

ABBEY
I'm still gonna kick your ass on child labor.

BARTLET
Abbey, please.

ABBEY
Jed, if it was one of our girls in that factory, you'd send in the Marines.

BARTLET
[looks thoughtful and nods] Yeah.

ABBEY
[quietly] Yeah.

BARTLET
Okay. [pause] We just had our first Oval Office fight.

ABBEY
[sighs] Yeah.

Abbey turns and leans on the edge of his desk. Bartlet puts his hands in his pockets
and walks around the desk.

BARTLET
Did you talk to Zoey today? [leans next to her, avoiding her gaze]

ABBEY
She went back to her dorm. She and Charlie had a fight cause the Service doesn't
want them to show up at this thing together. [gazes at him]

BARTLET
Maybe she'll be so traumatized by this experience, that she'll never date another
boy again.

ABBEY
Well, he left here a little while ago and...I'd say that in about an hour the lights
will be off, there'll be a sock on the doorknob, and who...

BARTLET
Don't finish that sentence, I'm a man of questionable health. [glances at her sideways]
The Michigan women are waiting for me.

ABBEY
Okay.

Abbey smiles as he puts his arm around her shoulders and they walk towards
the door. He drops her jacket around her shoulders and they exit.


Locutus - January 16, 2005 03:36 PM (GMT)
Eh... I still don't like her... then again maybe it cause my mom made us kids sit through Grease like a thousand times... I don't know!

ImSoHappyICouldSpit - January 17, 2005 10:17 AM (GMT)
love her, love her, love her. especially there early realationship and whilst i dont really like them together in series 5 and 6, it has to be said it probably is a realistic portrayal of what strain the marraige would b under after so many years.

There is a great scene in series 2, when Jed finds out he can have sex and they go to do it in the oval, love it!

Im new by the way so hi!

hedgehog - January 17, 2005 10:24 AM (GMT)
I like Abbey and In think a lot of it has to do with her forever being Rizzo in my mind! (Sorry Locutus!) I think Stockard Channing and Martin Sheen play their roles so well that you actually believe they really love each other and have a strong bond. She has great humour and I think all the staff are more than a bit scared of her!

The only one thing that pee'd me off was the way she froze Jed out when Zoey was kidnapped and she bacame aware of Sharif's assassination - I can empathise with her as a mother but her husband is POTUS and she must be aware that he will have to make some horrific decisions and also that the whole family would constantly be at risk.

But apart from that she kicks ass like no other First Lady!!!!

xShockwavex - January 17, 2005 09:53 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (ImSoHappyICouldSpit @ Jan 17 2005, 10:17 AM)
love her, love her, love her. especially there early realationship and whilst i dont really like them together in series 5 and 6, it has to be said it probably is a realistic portrayal of what strain the marraige would b under after so many years.

There is a great scene in series 2, when Jed finds out he can have sex and they go to do it in the oval, love it!

Im new by the way so hi!

welcome to the forums m8 hope u enjoy ur stay and stick around. ;)

Locutus - January 18, 2005 12:36 AM (GMT)
I think I don't like her simplty beacuse she is forever Rizzo to me! EK! She is also a character that seems to pop up only when it is helpful to the story line... I would like to just see her in the oval office just because... never see her agin the whole episode, just the quick showing-my-husband-is-the-president-and-I'm-just-visiting-him-so-back-off kinda moment.

Ruelnn - March 21, 2005 09:14 PM (GMT)
Well I've only watched the 1st 2 seasons but I love Abbey, she's my 3rd fave. I no that doesnt sound like I love her that much but count Josh and Donna as 1 coz they're a duo. She's v. scary and adds a lot to Jed's character.

ama - March 22, 2005 03:37 PM (GMT)
I just like the dynamic between Jed and Abbey, they seem to bounce off each other.

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BARTLET You know I gave the kids candy all the time, right?

ABBEY Behind my back?

BARTLET Yes.

ABBEY You bought their love.

BARTLET Well, it was for sale, and I wanted it.


dancrawford - April 2, 2005 10:25 AM (GMT)
The only downside to Abbey Bartlet's character is that she doesn't have too much involvement in the high politics of the West Wing. I would have liked to have her as a West Wing First Lady similar to Hilary Clinton, who was really the most influential 'First Lady' and took on responsibility for some of Clinton's legislation. Unfortunately, it seems that for most of the first three seasons, Abbey's involvement in the West Wing seems to be confined to ceremonial functions, wife and a mother. When she does try and get political, she tries to damage the President's agenda rather than work with the staff. If she did it that way she might get more satisfactory results.

Other than that I think she's a superb character. I love the scene that Ama put at the top of the thread and it is true that Jed and Abbey do seem to bounce off each other. The scene at the end of the State of the Union when she confronts Toby in the office (I think that's in Season Two) about the late changes in the language of the speech is also good.

Locutus - April 5, 2005 04:00 AM (GMT)
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The only downside to Abbey Bartlet's character is that she doesn't have too much involvement in the high politics of the West Wing.


That’s a good thing about her!

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I would have liked to have her as a West Wing First Lady similar to Hilary Clinton, who was really the most influential 'First Lady' and took on responsibility for some of Clinton's legislation.


Hilary Clinton and the Clintions are the biggest and worse mistake of America. I question any and all influence and or responsibility of Mrs. Clinton!

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Unfortunately, it seems that for most of the first three seasons, Abbey's involvement in the West Wing seems to be confined to ceremonial functions, wife and a mother.


Considering the Constitution gives absolutely NO political power to the First Lady her role IS confined to ceremonial functions, wife and a mother. The First Lady is at best a figure head with no power at all! She can give advise to the president as she’s his wife but she can’t do much else!

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I love the scene that Ama put at the top of the thread and it is true that Jed and Abbey do seem to bounce off each other.


:lol: That was xShockwavex ;)

When the info came out that the US killed that diplomat in the plane and she yelled that it was HIS decision not theirs… I was thinking “What part in a presidential decision do you play!? It’s not like you a privy to any top secret data or information as the First Lady. Who do you think you are!? The President!?”

dancrawford - April 6, 2005 03:04 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Locutus @ Apr 5 2005, 04:00 AM)
That’s a good thing about her!

Hilary Clinton and the Clintions are the biggest and worse mistake of America. I question any and all influence and or responsibility of Mrs. Clinton!

Considering the Constitution gives absolutely NO political power to the First Lady her role IS confined to ceremonial functions, wife and a mother. The First Lady is at best a figure head with no power at all! She can give advise to the president as she’s his wife but she can’t do much else!

:lol: That was xShockwavex ;)

When the info came out that the US killed that diplomat in the plane and she yelled that it was HIS decision not theirs… I was thinking “What part in a presidential decision do you play!? It’s not like you a privy to any top secret data or information as the First Lady. Who do you think you are!? The President!?”

Perhaps we had best agree to disagree here. Sitting at my admittedly far distance away from Washington, I thought Hilary Clinton was an excellent First Lady (showing that although the constitution does forbid them from playing a legislative role, First Ladies can still have considerable influence). I thought Clinton was a good President too btw.

Oh, and sorry xShockwavex

Presdient_susan - April 10, 2005 12:06 PM (GMT)
I think Hilary Clinton is a great woman because she stands for womans rights and i think thats really important because a womans place is not in the kitchen its where every she wants to be.

dancrawford - April 10, 2005 04:24 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Presdient_susan @ Apr 10 2005, 12:06 PM)
I think Hilary Clinton is a great woman because she stands for womans rights and i think thats really important because a womans place is not in the kitchen its where every she wants to be.

I think you said it better than I could have done. Hilary Clinton is unfortunately dogged but what her husband went through with Lewinsky, but I've got to agree with the bumper sticker a friend of mine saw in the States that ran something along these lines: 'At least only screwed an intern. Bush screwed the entire country'.




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