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Title: Bring out the dead (storylines)


Robin - August 3, 2005 02:56 AM (GMT)
This is for everyone to discuss, but we have a few stories that have seriously suffered. Amongst them the Teen Titans, JSA and Elsewhere stories.

With the current TT storyline, I've lost any and all interest and I was the GM for it. It started out great but due to lack of posting and how long its taken to get as far as it has. The only posters we've had is Stepi, Marx and myself. I really don't think we need to keep going the way it is.

With the JSA storyline, that's just dead. Period.

It seems the same is said to the Elsewhere Storyline. Nothing has happened there at all in a while and despite people being interested in it before, its seems like no one has any interest in it now. Same goes for the other unfinished storylines there.

My thoughts are that we move this dead stories to the archive. That way we still have them, but we don't have to worry about them sitting there and mocking us. Thoughts?

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 03:08 AM (GMT)
Well, I'm not in any of them -as you all know-, but personally I'm for it... As long as you've already got ideas for your next storylines before you stop these.

Robin - August 3, 2005 03:19 AM (GMT)
That's the next issue: WE NEED NEW STORIES. These are already dead, so stoping them isn't much of an issue, but new ideas would be nice.

Marx - August 3, 2005 12:59 PM (GMT)
I don't think we should get rid of all of them(especially Elseworlds, I had such a cool ending in mind for that one...). Personally because even if we start new ones, we still don't have people posting, it'll just be the same problem. I think we need something, maybe even this thread to see who the heck's still posting now lol. If it's the same people it's quite pointless to start a new story because Robin, Harm, Beast Boy, CM3 and Invisible Kid don't exactly form a team....

Flamebird - August 3, 2005 07:11 PM (GMT)
How about the fifties storyline I suggested a month or two back? Maybe just tweak it to our preferences.

Maybe until we get more players or get old players to post again, we should do some crossovers to beef things up some. Plus, also thinking of changing cannon character.....again. Cept this time Arrowette. So she could join in on our little team!

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 07:14 PM (GMT)
Whoa whoa whoa.
Who what when where?
W word wrawk wildly.
But really, did you say fifties? 'Cause that sounds fun! :)

Flamebird - August 3, 2005 07:24 PM (GMT)
:D Technically, it wouldn't be a time travel story either. Closer to alternate reality, maybe. It's the same DCU, but everone thinks it's the fifties and acts like it is. I think the old thread is still up in Major Storylines.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 07:30 PM (GMT)
Reminds me a little of that Justice League episode... Ya know, the one with the kid with the big disfigured head and the alternate JL that was pretty good at first, but then CN decided to run it like every other day and now whenever you see it you feel like puking?
Not that I wanna puke on your idea, your idea sounds really good. That just randomly came to mind. :P

atlantis - August 3, 2005 08:49 PM (GMT)
I know that i am the worst WORST poster because i kinda post then i dont then i do then i dont and i'm really really sorry. Really.
My sugestion is a bad one. it involves just kinda starting over, the history is all there and the stories, but what if we all focus on one story with short posts. and by short i mean like a max of 10 lines. Do you see how long my posts end up having to be because i dont post and then i angsta bout it because i have to match all the inner monologing you guys do so lets go back to Ye old YJUTT ways but with less SMK's. ...if you want.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 08:53 PM (GMT)
10 liners... 10 liners! I might even post if there were more ten liners.

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That was ten lines, by the way. Just to give you kids and example.

Robin - August 3, 2005 08:54 PM (GMT)
I understand what you mean, but I don't think its really all the possible since many of us can't help but post a lot. I mean, the whole idea of writing is to create the a story and detail it.

But so long as you write more than a single line post Lani, we're not going to complain if they aren't uber-long.

atlantis - August 3, 2005 09:01 PM (GMT)
thing is that because you guys put so much into one post, if like, only three people post after me its then a nightmare trying to do everything thats needed to be done to keep everyone in the story my posts end up like 2 A4 sides!

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:03 PM (GMT)
I concur! :wacko:

Robin - August 3, 2005 09:10 PM (GMT)
But you'll note that most of our post are inner diaglouge Lani, and actions. That the whole point of writting is to convey one's thoughts in writing. Som of us go further into detail than others.

And its hard to ask other players to tone down their writing to a limited number of lines when were doing these kinds of stories that demand things like action and detail. Otherwise we end up posting hundreds of OOCs asking 'what happened'

atlantis - August 3, 2005 09:11 PM (GMT)
So maybe what we could do is go back to the other kind of stories which invlve actual action in posts and not dialogue that does not progress the story.

Robin - August 3, 2005 09:14 PM (GMT)
Ummm... what?

Lani, that's not really possible. You need dialogue as well as action or else there's no real story. Just random events. I'm not sure I follow what you mean.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:16 PM (GMT)
I'm all for long-winded dialogue, but when there's a post that's two pages long and doesn't end up having much actual purpose, it's ridiculous.
We need details, true, but we don't need them that badly. I for one would rather see progression and action than read for fifteen minutes about how a scene looks.
Look at comic book dialogue, they have it shor enough to fit into bubbles. BUBBLES.

Entropy Aegis - August 3, 2005 09:18 PM (GMT)
I have absolutely NO right to post in this thread but....

I agree with Jake. (as always)

Robin - August 3, 2005 09:18 PM (GMT)
But what your asking is for some players to completely alter their writing habbits. I can understand story progression. I'm all for it, but with a group of writers you can't ask them to alter how their mind tells them to write. One player writes something another is going to react. Its a pain, but that's how writting in a group works.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:22 PM (GMT)
Sure you can.
You can learn to enjoy most anything, remember college writing courses?
Did they tell you how to write even if it wasn't your style? Yes. And did you end up doing it and finding out that it wasn't so bad? Yes.
And besides that... I know we're writers, but we aren't writing stories. We're writing parts of stories. That's the whole point.
Writing part of a story is adding some, not trying to compete the "I-can-write-closer-to-the-50000-character-limit-than-you-can" olympics.

Marx - August 3, 2005 09:24 PM (GMT)
I can understand everyone trying to tone it down a little, but it's kinda what we've gotten used to so it'll be a little hard not to do it anymore. But I do think they get a little long at times, but usually when that happens I tend to skim the posts.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:27 PM (GMT)
My solution was similar. Marx skimmed the posts and I quit RPGing. :glunk:

Marx - August 3, 2005 09:34 PM (GMT)
Soo...the problem is basically that we post so much that it scares everyone away....

Entropy Aegis - August 3, 2005 09:35 PM (GMT)
that's actually kinda why I haven't posted in a while...

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:35 PM (GMT)
We post so long. They get dull. They drag. They're monologues. They're not happy and fun.

Marx - August 3, 2005 09:37 PM (GMT)
Hm...I guess if that's how the majority feels we can try to make the posts shorter...

Entropy Aegis - August 3, 2005 09:37 PM (GMT)
Or Spontaneous like Ye Olde YJUTT

Robin - August 3, 2005 09:38 PM (GMT)
This isn't college Jake. You said it yourself, we're supposed to have fun. And if a player enjoys writting more, than it doesn't seem fair to ask them to shorten their writting in the stories.

Like Marx, I've gotten use to writing more than a few lines. And I know that when I write, I'm going to write more than just 10 lines. I can't limit myself like that and like what I write. It won't feel like I conveyed anything, and then I'd lose interest of my own.

The solution is, write what you are comfortable with writing. If one player writes more, that's up to them. If another player choses only to write ten lines that up to them. Just so long as its not a one liner post, it doesn't matter.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:52 PM (GMT)
Except that then you have people that would be content to join in (ie. me, Matt, etc.) but just don't want to be arsed reading five pages to catch up on the equivalent of ten minutes.
And I wasn't saying we should make the site like a college, I was using it as an example. Don't use my words against me unless you understand what I said.

atlantis - August 3, 2005 09:54 PM (GMT)
Sorry, i was gone from disscussion time, i had parental issues.

Anyway. What i meant by action was things actually happening, yes that did include diologue. Its just when your trying to RPG with Characters like Robiin or Harm you do have to do the whole inner monolougue thing because they dont say much and if not we'd have no clue what they were feeling. But its when we have posts so long people miss them or skim them and t doesn't matter then i'd feel bad. Its like your posts are that long but they dont mean as much as a two liner because we can continue the story without knowing what you've written.

All that needs to be done is not limit but guide. dont obsess over doing 10 or 15 lines as ling as its to the point, that what youve written has actual merit and isn't to prove how much more about comics you know. I do it too, with my secret YJ quotes and stuff.

[You as in anyone]

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 09:57 PM (GMT)
[And anyone as in YOU]

Marx - August 3, 2005 10:02 PM (GMT)
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but it's not like I purposely go out of my way to make insanely long posts. But if it's that big of an issue I'll do my best to condense it.

Robin - August 3, 2005 10:03 PM (GMT)
Jake, don't get defensive and I did understand what you said. I'm not thick.

You were using college as an example and I was saying that in college they tell us to write a certain way because that's the way the class is run.

If people like that approach, they'll use it. If they don't, they won't.

It seems unfair to require players to alter their style when we're in an RPG.

Jakazul - August 3, 2005 10:06 PM (GMT)
And here I thought you were the one that's constantly fighting to make more rules limiting the players on what they can and can't do.

Marx - August 3, 2005 10:07 PM (GMT)
<.< ....hm....
Yes that is my post....hmmm.....

atlantis - August 3, 2005 10:08 PM (GMT)
:o

ZING!

Ka-POW!!

Marx - August 3, 2005 10:10 PM (GMT)
Why don't we just....make a poll....so there's no arguing *does realize that this is the middle of an argument so the point is moot *

Robin - August 3, 2005 11:48 PM (GMT)
Jake, no one is attacking so please stop treating me like the enemy here with those backhand remarks.

The rules I've fought for are the ones that people asked for and because they were what players wanted after a bus load of problems occured such as badly made OC who were too powerful and took away from the rest of the characters or posting procedures because people complained about stories moving too fast without them. Some of you may have forgotten all the things that brought on those rules initially, but I remember. I also remember people saying that these ideas were best and actually approving them after we had implimented them.

Limiting character applications in order to get quality from them is one thing. But saying that we all need to limit the posting because player don't want to read a lot, that seems unfair.

In my writting I go into detail. I explain inner monologue because I like to know what the character is feeling, what they are doing. By doing that I feel like the character actually has depth to them. Its how I've always been taught to write. Details make for better writing.

All I am saying is that this is one place where it is NOT up to the admin to decide what needs to be done. Its up to the players themselves. If they want to write more than ten lines, what does it hurt aside? If the players don't want to write more than ten lines, then that's their choice.

The RPG is supposed to be fun as you so subtly remind me during every time I have make a comment about something. Asking players to post more than one liners is always asked for in RPGs because other wise nothing happens and no one knows whats going on in the RPG. But asking players who enjoy to write to stop because a few people don't like to read sounds like going too far in the other direction.

If you don't want to write mor than 10 lines, then don't. If you do want to write more than that, then go ahead. Its a few minutes more of reading. But from every single RPG I've been to, people are always asking for more than just a quick post.

Not to mention if we limited the max that a player can put in one post then we end up with a dozen more posts to get anything conveyed.

Flamebird - August 6, 2005 03:58 PM (GMT)
O.O

Marx - August 6, 2005 07:23 PM (GMT)
I fully agree with Rach's statement lol.




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