Ok I'm bored and I was reading one of the arguments in the Teen Titans message board and it inspired me to do a Teen Titans Tournament, basically, I'll give about a week or two for everyone to vote on who'd win in a brawl. And we're going under the assumption that they don't know who their fighting until the actual fight. First one up is Superboy against Wonder Girl. Cast your votes to relieve my boredom. MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! And it would also be cool to give your reasons for your vote but you don't have to.

Wonder Girl would totally win. In YJ #46 i think it is, Cassie wipes the floor with Superboy to begin with. True he then uses his Tactile Telekinesis™ to blast her through the roof but he wouldn't do that now cause he looooves her ;)
In truth Superboy does have higher power levels and is faster plus he has the kudos of having his Tactile Telekinesis™ BUUUT she has the brains to use her skills to their optimum capacity.
There for. SHE ROXX!!

Agreed. I mean, sure Superboy is stronger than Wonder Girl thanks his Tactile Telekinesis™, but he's always too over-confident in his abilities. He thinks just because he's the clone of Superman, he can't loose.

And there in lies his downfall.

Wonder Girl is smart and highly skilled thanks to the training she has recieved from Wonder Woman, Hippolyta, Troia, Artemis and Robin. (Yes, Robin has helped train Wonder Girl. In an issue of Wonder Woman, Cassie spoke of how Tim helped her learn tactical and detective methods after the Silver Swan incident) Wonder Girl fought Kon with no problem in YJ #46, as Lani said earlier. Sure, it wasn't a full out fight, but she definently deflated that ego a couple of notches.

Wonder Girl would win this round.

I voted Superboy, but honestly to me it gets a little sketchy. SB seems to be thinking before he acts a little more since joining the Titans. And he was trained by Knockout and Guardian. He could just hold her to the ground and shoot her with his heat vision, of course in contrast she could also zap him with the lasso. As I said it gets kinda sketchy. And the previous fight would be all the more reason he'd take Cass seriously.

I voted for Superboy because his powers have grown since the Young Justice days. He now has Limited Telekenesis and heat vision, so he's a lot more powerful than ever before.
Cassie just got a lasso that seems to act when she's angry. It's lightening based.. I dunno. It depends on how much WG plays on the relationship card. of course, the two of them should have broken up a long time ago. Their whole relationship is silly.

I have to go with Superboy on this one. I mean, Marx is right. Kon isn't the same as the YJ. He sure did change a lot, Ma and Pa Kent (and Krypto, :P ) are being a wonderful influence on him.

And again, I have to agree with Marx, his power level is growing. A LOT. I mean, just take a look at what he did with Trigun's skeleton, for cryin' out loud!! IF he was to hit Wondy once, just once with that she'd be done for it.

Well, actually I doubt Kon's heat vision could do much against Wonder Girl. Remember, she's wearing Amazon braclets. Kon tries to shoot her with heat vision and she deflects it with them right back at him.

And you can't say it won't work, because we've seen Wonder Woman do it with Supreman's heat vision dozens of times.

And sure, Kon has grown a bit since YJ. Ma, Pa, Clark and Krypto have eased that ego of his, but he doesn't exactly get as much training on Smallville as he did when he was with Camdus. Besides, just because Kon has gained some new skills, who says Wondy hasn't? Thanks to her training, Cassie has always been more advanced than Kon in martial arts and tactical skills. So you must consider, that if Kon has grown more skills since YJ, then Wonder Girl who has been training with Artemis and Wonder Woman, must be uber-skilled.

Personally, I'm glad that Kon and Cassie are getting back together in the comics. They've always been a sweet couple, although they've never really BEEN a couple when you think of it.

They never offically dated, and the one true kiss they shared in YJ was in the very last issue. Everytime they started anything close to a relationship, it was interupted. I'd actually like to see them date. I mean, an actually relationship, where they admit they are boyfriend and girlfriend.

I agree with Alan. I always kinda liked the idea of a Cassie/Kon relationship. It was danced around alot in YJ.

But as for the tournament......

Wondergirl. I mean, sure, Superboy has tactile telekinisis. But in order for it to work, wondergirl has to be touching something he's touching too. Theres no rules saying she had to ever be on the ground(Aka. she can fly people) ;)

I would definitely agree that Wonder Girl would have the clear advantage in this fight. She is not THAT much weaker, and is much more well trained.

And, to be frank, I think that ANY member of the Teen Titans could mop the floor with "Superboy." Except Cyborg, because "Superboy" could use tactile telekinesis to take him apart. Starfire, Changeling, Wonder Girl, Robin, Kid Flash (I'm still getting used to calling him that) and Krypto could all take him down. Especially Krypto.

Frankly, I look at "Superboy" as the Titans' weak link. I just prefer him there to the Legion; he's even more of a problem in the 31st century.

Or maybe I'm just a little biased because I don't like Kon. Who knows. :(

I totally disagree. Yes, Wonder Girl was trained by Artemis and Wonder Woman, but Superboy was trained by Guardian and Knockout, who is one of the top three best students Granny Goodness!!!

Plus Superboy is WAY, WAY more experienced as Wondy. He's been doing this for at least one year and a half more than her. So, I don't, in a million years think Wondy has the upper hand.

As for Superboy being the weak link of the Titans? Well, lemme laugh first. *Laughs* Okay, lemme laugh while I point at you. *Laughs and points at u* Now lemme laugh, point and then afterwards judge you quietly. *Laughs, judge and then quietly judge you*.

You seem to also forget about Kon's force Field. I don't think that Cassie could even punch it through. His telekinesis is way, way powerful. The only teen heroes I think are strong enough to win Kon in a hand to hand fight, by that I mean who are actually capable to hurt him, are CM3 and Mary Marvel.

1) I dont think Kon would when, but eh, thats my opinion.

2) I like kon. I think he's kinda cool.(Though truth be told I liked all the members of the former YJ. The only DCU character I ever really downright hated was spoiler. Though Empress was a bit ify....) He's by no means a weaklink, but neither is wondy.

3) You forgot to point while you laughed and judged him Fab. Read your post. I'm ashamed. How can you forget to point! (no offense Nuck'. Humour me!)

Yeah, he was trained by those guys, but how much did he actually pay attention? Wonder Girl, meanwhile, is the model student. Plus, her teachers could have Superboy's teachers for breakfast.

And look at his experience- most of it has been fighting two-bit villains in California.

There is no way Wonder Girl loses to "Superboy." Just no way.

And as for him being the weak link, I stand by that. Cyborg, Changeling, Starfire and Robin are all more experienced, Wondy is more well trained, and Kid Flash is just good at what he does (before he read a library, it would have been argueable in my mind, though). And Krypto is much smarter than Kon.

Yes, Kon has been doing the Super-hero job longer (roughly six months in the DCU time-frame), but he's never been considered a model student. Guardian and Knock-Out trained him, sure. But Kon didn't make their job easy. That was still at a point where he didn't think he needed anyone. As NutiketAiel, he probably didn't pay them as much attention as he should have. He always had a problem when people tried to give him advise, thinking that he was fine on his own.

Meanwhile Wonder Girl has gone out of her way to train. She trained with three Wonder Woman (Diana, Hippolyta, & Artemis) and the original Wonder Girl. The Amazons are considered some of the greatest warriors in the DCU. I mean, they are the 'GIRL POWER' personified.

And Robin has helped train Wonder Girl in tacticle and detective approaches. He's taught her look for other means to defeat an opponent than merely throwing fists. Just because Superboy is a power-house doesn't mean is weaknesses can be exploited and thus causing his defeat.

And if Wonder Girl snags Kon in her lasso and zaps him, Kon is screwed. He needs to concentrate to use his powers. Kon can still affected by electricity and all Wonder Girl needs to do is get a hissy-fit.

And don't forget, Wonder Girl's very first oppenent ever was Doomsday. Remember him? The guy who killed Superman? And Wondy didn't even know what she was doing at the time, yet she walked out of that fight in one piece.

But Kon is by no means the weakest link of the Titans. He's just got his faults, like they all do.

Hey hey hey, that wasn't the real Doomsday! Or at least that's what I read, that it was a clone or a robot or something. And she had Wonder Woman with her I beleive. Now I've made the point, that is my Doomsday defending for the day. :D

Now have you read the issues with SB training with Knockout and Guardian? He was paying complete attention. Granted with Knockout his focus wandered at times for obvious reason, but for the most part he paid attention. And he had total respect for Guardian, especially when he lost his powers and his fighting ability and sheild was all he had, as a matter of fact, he practically begged Guardian to train him. He was actually starting to mature at that point in the comic, it was around when he got the new costume and had new writers that he became an idiot again. And one thing, I can not, I repeat, can. Not. See Beast Boy beating Superboy, I just can't see it. I could see Wonder Girl beating him, Starfire beating him, Robin, and I seriously doubt Cyborg(he'd just blow up the robotic parts), but no way could I see Beast boy. But I've gotten off subject lol.

Now I agree if they both take the air, Kon would lose some of his TK advantage, but all he has to do is knock her back to the ground, we've seen that his heat vision can have a pretty good spread on it, even if she blocks it with the bracelets the impact would still get her on the ground and SB would have her. And I do agree that if she gets that lasso on him he's screwed. I'm not saying that Wonder Girl could never beat Superboy only that SB would have the advantage in their first real fight.

I NEVER said that Wonder Girl BEAT Doomsday, Marx. I said that she walked out of the fight in one piece. And considering that Cassie was a super-hero for literally 5 minutes at that point, that was pretty dang good. I mean, she had no idea what she was doing and she survived a fight with Doomsday (clone or not). And yes, Cassie had Diana with her, but Cassie spent a good deal of the fight on her own, while Wonder Woman was knocked out.

And yes, Kon trained with Guardian and Knock Out, but lets be honest, their training programs were cake walks to something Diana and Donna could have thought up.

I mean, if you had to choose between being trained by the Amazon, an ancient race of warrior women who have stood up their their own gods, and beaten Darksied's forces time and again, or Guardian and a former-Darkseid lacky... Come on...

Besides, Wonder Girl has been training non-stop since she became Wonder Girl. Superboy's offical training has been choppy. He's gotten short terms of training at different points in his life.

You guys are forgetting they know each other and their personal feelings would come into it. Cassie would have serious issues but do what needed to be done where as Kon would be all “But this is CASSIE!! I can’t beat her ….it would be like losing Tana all over again” (That ALWAYS comes up.) So he would hold back at least a little.

Kon spent a lot of time messing around. He’s never really had a good chain of command…what I mean by that is sure he has Superman to live up to but Cassie has 3 Wonder Woman’s , The memory of Troia, Her mother and Zeus who would take her power away if she misused them. SB only went to school for like 5 months before being kicked out where as Cassie has had a pretty normal education, true he has had training from Cadmus but that was just when the people had time. Serling kinda worked with him for a while I think, The Guardian only helped for a little while though before he died and then at random points before and after that.
I guess what I’m saying is Cassie has had to follow rules and has more discipline with herself and her powers where as Kon has been left to deal pretty much alone with some guidance mainly from Dublex.

I’m not saying that under circumstances SB wouldn’t win against Wonder Girl its just at the present time she would win but it would be close. Don’t forget guys that taking down Cassie counts in the Lex Luther side of things

A fight wouldn’t just come down to their power levels but on how they were feeling and how each person played off things they know about each other.
(That Tana thing springs to mind straight away. All Cassie could do is use that to distract Kon and bye bye Superboy.)

Oh, and i think it was a Doomsday animatron......I'll check that out.

Well I didn't mention the relationship between SB and Cassie because personally I think that would sorta cheapen the win. Cassie could conceivably beat Superboy without screwing with his emotions like that, plus if she mentioned Tana to help her win, she would have to do some serious kissing up to get on his good side again, doesn't seem like it'd be worth it.

And I do agree that Cass has trained more than Kon has. Though, and I could be wrong about this, it's how they made it seem in the SB comics, Guardian is somewhere around Batman level. Not saying that chances are Batman would spank Guardian, but they make it seem like it wouldn't be easy. But really, with the exception of the lasso, Cassie has to make physical contact with SB to hurt him, and as soon as she does he could do a couple of things with the TK powers, the DNAngels showed that he could just drive the air out of her lungs which would slow her enough that he could bop her a few good times....too easy...anyway...

And comparing a clone or robot to the real Doomsday is like saying Indigo could take down Superman because she took down the Superman robot. But I think we all agree that whoever would win would be really close and that either side could win.

Yay! SB's winning! I'll leave the polls open for another week then I'll start the next part of the tournament.

Actually, Guardian is roughly Nightwing level. He isn't even close to Batman.

And if you are considering a fight between people, you've got to consider everything that could occure. That's what give the Bat-Clan their edge. Because they are willing to manipulate their opponents. Superboy would rely on physical attacks to win. He rarely thinks his plans all the way through. He's trying to now, but he still leaps before he looks.

There is more to fighting than merely hitting someone. Something Superboy is still learning.

And I'm NOT comparing Doomsday to a Clone, Marx. This has nothing to do with beating Doomsday. I SAYING that Wonder Girl, (a complete and total newbie with no idea whatsoever what she was doing at the time), SURVIVED against Doomsday (A clone, only slightly weaker than the original Doomsday) is still a major accomplishment. She may not have won the fight, but she survived.

Ok, that's fair enough, that is a pretty big accomplishment.

Now yeah, SB would try to make it mostly physical but when he start losing, he uses his brains and powers in really weird ways that usually catch people offguard and allows him to win. Examples, dropping an entire ceiling on Amanda Spence. And beating the 3 DNAngels(military trained cloned hybrids of SB, Wonder Girl and Impulse) with a used diaper and a baby doll, though he technically didn't beat them, he tricked them, but that still proves my point. Now I'm also willing to admit that since it's his comic, he had to win so they gave him the desperation brains/tk powers, but it still counts.

Though in contrast Cass could knock him out before he gets the chance, to think about a weird way to use his powers. And since it's Cassie he might not be so gung ho about it.

Sweeeeet! Superboy advances to the next round. Oh yeah! In your faces all Superboy haters. *dances like the old dude in the Six Flags commercials...to the same music*

Creepy....

Yeah SB won! *Dances Macarena dressed as a Rooster*

Marx: Lol
Fab: Weird.......j/k ;)



Now I'll have that six flag music stuck in my head all week! ~Bangs head against wall that appears out of nowhere~

lol Yeah, it is pretty catchy isn't it. *now it has it stuck in my head* *humming the tune*dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnn dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnnn
dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnn dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnnn
dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnn dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnnn
dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnn dun-dun-dun-dun-dun-dunnn dunnnn...

And yeah, I can't top the macarena chicken dance...

yeah sb win thats rocks, i always knew he could do it :P