This is not a matter of skill or fighting ability, just pure physical strength.

Yeah, I'm really bored to be doing all these polls.

Note that with Ultra Boy, it's assumed that he is using Ultra-Strength and not some other power, naturally.

To explain my vote- M'onel has been consistently shown to have a Superman class level of strength. Not quite as strong as Superman, but as close as it gets. All the Daxamites have, and M'onel is the greatest hero ever to hail from Daxam. Superboy doesn't hold a candle. Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel might come close, but we've seen that Superman is stronger than Captain Marvel, so I feel that the same extends to the teenaged versions. Cyborg is strong, but not that strong, and Ultra Boy seems to be on the same level as Thunder when he uses his strength, which puts him on par with the Marvels. So, it's Mon-el for me.

Well, from my understanding of it. Captain Marvel and Superman are around the same power level, Captain Marvel having a slight edge because of his powers being magic based. But as for the teenage versions, to my knowledge they all share the same power. If all three of them are powered up they each have a third of it and if only one is powered up they have all of it. So going on that CM3 or Mary Marvel could be as strong as Superman depending on how many of them are powered up at the time.

I'd say Mary Marvel. Followed closely by CM3 and then (Well at least Geoff Johns') Superboy.

I said M'Onel.

Superboy's stronger than CM3 and Mary Marvel (assuming all of the Marvels are Marvel-fied).

One thing though is that most of the time CM3 is shown to be weaker than Superboy so I'm not really sure.

Besides, even if CM3 had the total strength of Capt. Marvel when he's alone, Cap. has admitted that Superman is stronger than him but it's that magical vulnerability that works in his favour.

I'm still stickin' with M'Onel, CM3/ Mary Marvel Second and the Teen of Steel third.

By the way... Why is Cyborg on the voting list? He isn't even a teenager. Victor Stone is like 28 years old. The only reason he's on the 'TEEN' Titans is because he's their adult mentor/teacher.

Plus, he isn't in the league of M'Onel, The Marvel's or Superboy.

well that's not fair. There is no listing for Supergirl. Any of them. But the current Kara Zor-El would probably be the strongest because she has all the power and strength of Superman.
As for Captain Marvel and Superman being the same power level, that's sort of true. It really depends on who is writing it and how they want to work it. Generally speaking though, Superman is the most powerful person in the entire DCU.

Yeah, but Kara isn't currently a super-hero Zee. She's not wearing the costume or fighting crime. Not to mention, we aren't 100% sure that she is Kara Zor-El. As Batman keeps saying, we don't know anything about her. She could be a weapon from Brainiac or Darksied for all we know. We won't know the truth until the end of hte Supergirl story-arch

Though personally I REALLY hope she becomes Supergirl. She's so much better than that last one they had. Not Matrix, but the 'super-daughter' from the future, B.S.

"Kara" (note the quotation marks) isn't on the list because she isn't a hero yet and, frankly, my money is on her being an imposter created and sent by Darkseid; Batman is right to be suspicious.

As for Cyborg, I still think of him as a teen. I know he isn't, but I just forget sometimes.

And here is how I would rank the strengths of the people listed:

M'Onel
Captain Marvel Jr./Mary Marvel
Ultra Boy
"Superboy"
Cyborg

Darkseid isn't behind the Supergirl "plot", if she turns out to be a fake. That would make no sense, since he went all of his way to get her "back", Darkseid is powerful and all, but he had to face the Holy Trinity and that is much ever to 'im.

That's How I would rank:

CM3/Mary Marvel.
Superboy.
M'onel.
Ultra Boy.

And I wish they would bring Linda Danvers back. Not as Supergirl though, but as "Superwoman". Linda was a great hero, and I don't want to see her bein' forgotten.

But its really not fair to place Cyborg in with the teens, since he isn't one. He earned his adult statues afterall.

I know there is something off about Kara, but I don't think Darksied is the root of it. Afterall, why send Kara to Clark if he is just going to steal her from him? That doesn't make sense.

There is something else about this...

CM3/Mary Marvel.
Superboy.
M'onel.
Ultra Boy.


Cyborg shouldn't even be on the list.

How can you guys put Superboy above M'Onel? I mean, M'Onel is Superman class, whereas Superboy just has that Tactile Telekinesis stuff. This isn't even one of those Legion things, either. The Marvels are stronger than Superboy, too!

And I'm sory about Cyborg, OK? Geez, get off my back about him. :P

Mon'el is all well and good, but Superboy has more versitility. His tacticle telekinesis gives him an edge. Plus, I've never much cared for him. He's cool and all, but not a personal fav.

Superboy may be more versatile (and that's debatable), but the question was just physical strength. Not who you like best, or who has the most versatile powers.

Aren't all the Marvel's kid, Superman class? And for what I've heard they don't share the power anymore.

CM3 still shares his power with Captain Marvel. Mary I believe has her own 'thunderbolt' of power.

And NutiketAiel, if you wanted this to be about Physcial strength only, you shouldn't have put Superboy on the list. His super-strength comes from his Tacticle Telekinesis. Its because he wills the object to be lifted that it happens. If Kon didn't have his telekinesis, he couldn't be invulnerable, super-strong or fly.

I know for a fact that the three use to share their powers in the beginning of the Jerry Ordway run. I don't know if they still do, I'll have to get back to u on that one.

I'll have to ask Oracle. :P

OK.. let's add some corrections. No Kara hasn't appeared in costume yet, but she is schedueled to appear in costume as Supergirl. It's well known that she will be Supergirl. It's pretty clear that she is NOT created by Darkseid if you've been reading the series. I do not think Brainiac could create a full blooded Kryptonian either, but I'm not sure about that. I'm not sure if her ORIGINS are as she says, but I think she's Kryptonian and there might be more to her.

As for Superboy, he does NOT have tacticle telekenesis anymore. It has grown to LIMITED Telekenesis. This means he can do a lot more as can be seen in the current Teen Titans series. He has also gained heat vision like Superman, which he can't exactly control.

Finally, Linda Danvers as Superwoman? No. First of all, Linda does not think she is worthy of the S-shield, so I do not think she would return as Superwoman. Second of all, Superwoman is the Crime Syndicate's Wonder Woman, so the name is taken and it is used typically for villians now. The only hero Superwoman was Kristin Wells and she appeared for a total of one issue. I'd love to see Linda return, don't get me wrong. But NOT as Superwoman. I think she should have her own monkier, something that belongs solely to Linda like Nightwing belongs to Dick Grayson or Tsunami to Aqualad. THen eventually, Superman with the help with the new Steel, Supergirl (Kara), and Superboy, she'll be convinced to take up the S-Shield again. Go Linda!

Some MORE corrections



Written by Jeph Loeb; art and cover by Michael Turner

The startling conclusion to the year's most talked-about storyline explodes as Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman battle Darkseid! Kara Zor-El has all the makings of a Supergirl...but is that who she really is?

Above is directly from DC.com. That is the reason we aren't 100% sure that Kara will be Supergirl or even who she really is Zee. Most likely, she IS the real deal. But there is ALWAYS the possiblity that this could be one big trick.

Afterall, comics do that all the time. Remember the Spider-Man incident. They had this long like 5 year storyline about the clones and Aunt May dying and all that, and then it all ended up being one very long very elaborate dream. (LAME!!)

Superboy still has Tacticle Telekinesis. Everything he has done so far is tacticle, in which he has to touch something in order to affect it with his powers. I have yet to see him use free-handed telekinesis in Teen Titans OR Legion OR Superman.

And isn't it believed that Linda Danvers has evolved into the lead character in FALLEN ANGEL. According to the writers they will neither confirm or deny it, but the readers think otherwise.

Robin.. You're wrong about Superboy.
Superboy's powers first started to grow, that I know of, back in Batgirl 41. He was able to manipulate clouds with his thoughts and make them firm enough for Cass to stand on.
then in Teen Titans 2, Superboy lifts a gas line out of the ground at Alcatraz and causes it to explode by thought alone. He openly says, "There is something I can do that Superman can't. Limited Telekinesis. See If I can find a water pipe down here. Make it rupture." See.. Limited, not Tacticle. That would be page 17 if you want to double check it. That same issue is the first appearance of Kon-El's, Super hearing as well.
Since that though, Kon-El hasn't shown much examples of Limited TK, but that's what he has. He's been busy in Teen Titans learning how to control his heat vision.

Now onto Fallen Angel, there is no real reason to believe that Linda and Lee are the same person except for the fact that PAD is enjoying playing with people. Lee has acted in no manner that leads me to believe it's Linda. In one issue, Lee broke down completely and said something NOBODY could relate to Linda, so PAD went on the Supergirl and tried to explain it and some people have bought it. Most people haven't. It wasn't in the actual issue the way he tried to explain it and I really don't buy it.

Oh yeah and the Supergirl solicit. They're not going to allow her NOT to be Supergirl now. The sales have been THROUGH the roof and a huge amount of Kara Zor-El fans were majorly P.O.ed because Many Happy Returns Kara was sent back to her life. Cir-El was also "killed off" (I know she actually never existed, but still) just to allow this character to return. Besides, they've already released pictures of Kara in the Supergirl suit (see Wizard 148 cover 2 of 2).

Zatanna, I'm right about Superboy.

That so-called 'telekinesis' you talk about was used with Kon's body, not his mind. He didn't just stand their with his arms crossed floating in mid-air and things began to happen.

He had placed his hands, feet or body on the object that he wanted to manipulate with his TACTICLE telekinesis. On the street with the water-pipe, Kon place his hands on the ground and was able to manipulate the pipe.

When Kon says 'Limited' telekesis, he means that he has to touch it in order for his power to work. Its another way of saying Tacticle Telekinesis, without someone wanting to hit him. (He said that so much in the past, people wanted to kill him. LOL) Superboy needs his body to physically be in contact with the object he wishes to manipulate.

With the cloud, his body was in contact with them. His body was touching them. That was how his powers were able to connect with the water molecules of the cloud and re-arrange them into a castle that could support their weight.

If he could simply manipulate things with his mind, it would be telekenisis.

As for Kon's heat vision and super-hearing, who's debating that? We all know he's begining to develope his Kryptonian powers. Sooner or later he'll probably get the micro-vision and ice breath.

And yes, in Fallen Angel it hasn't been stated that Lee is Linda, I know. But I've been to a multitude of fan sites, message boards and articles that question whether or not Lee is connected to Linda. In an article at Milehighcomics.com, they asked the writers point blank if Lee was Linda. The writer merely laughed and said, he couldn't really say.

And finally the Supergirl. Yes, I know about the image with Kara in the Supergirl costume Zatanna. As I said before, more than likely this is the real Kara and that she will be Supergirl. BUT they have done this sort of thing before. First off, WIZARD Magezine had this nasty little habbit of playing pranks on their readers. And remember that DC has introduced 'KARA' several times over the past few years. For example, the introduction of Kara back at the end of Supergirl? Or another 'Kara' being introduced in the Superman crossover with Aliens. Not to mention we've had like 5 Supergirl's in the last two years. I'm not trying to debunk the 'NEW' Supergirl, but after so many disapointments, I don't want to get my hopes up too high.

Robin.. You're right. Superboy manipulated those clouds with his body. He touched them and made them solid somehow and created a cloud castle that allowed Batgirl to stand on it. So much so that when a jet flew through said cloud castle, the two fell to the ground. But you're right. You are always right even when you're wrong.

As for Kara, she's got a statue with her in the Supergirl suit, so I think it's pretty clear she will be Supergirl at some period. Take a look Supergirl Statue

There is NO need for sarcasam, Zatanna.

Superboy body was touching the clouds. He was able to established a link with the water-particles in the cloud with his power. His tacticle telekinesis was then able to manipulate the water particles to where they held together enough to support Superboy and Batgirl.

If Superboy had been on the ground and been able to manipulate the clouds, then I'd say your right. But he was in physical contact with the water particles within the cloud and use his tactical telekinesis to link the particles together.

And like I KEEP saying. Kara will become Supergirl. But there is ALWAYS the possibility she might not. Possibility. Slim chance. A freaky ending that the reader won't expect. Like in New X-Men, when Xorn turned out to be Magneto. No one ever really saw that plot twist. They knew Magneto wasn't dead, but they didn't expect him to show up.

Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not disagreeing with you, I am simply saying it IS ALWAYS possible she may not. This isn't an arguemt, this is merely stating a possiblity, as unlikely as it is.

I kinda have to agree with Robin on this one. Not on the Supergirl thing because I gots no idea what you're talking about because that's not one of the comics I read lol. But with the Superboy Tactile TK thing. Though personally I like the name Tactile Telikinesis, better than Limited Telikinesis, it kinda grew on me. But even when Brother Blood took SB's powers he had to touch the ground to make it blow up, to my knowledge I haven't seen any proof that his telekinesis isn't limited to what he can touch anymore.