Here it begins, folks, the new tournament inspired by the one going on right now between the Teen Titans. Who will win in this great battle between a strike force of the Legion of Super Heroes (eight, to be exact) and the Teen Titans (who also number eight- what a coincidence!).

I'll assume, since this site is dedicated to Young Justice and the Teen Titans, that everybody is aware of the powers and power levels of those heroes. However, I know that not everyone is a Legion fan, so I will use this space each round to detail the powers and power levels of the Legionnaire in question. Also, remember- all Legionnaires posess flight rings which allow them to fly and understand any spoken language. They also posess telepathic earplugs that allow them to communicate mentally with each other, but rarely use them.

Ultra Boy, AKA Jo Nah of Rimbor, is one of the older Legionnaires. He started life as a member of the Emerald Dragons gang on Rimbor, a planet wracked by terrible crime and ruled by gang lords and strongmen (you can say it- a wretched hive of scum and villainy). Jo gained his powers when he left Rimbor and his ship was swallowed by a space whale. Upon eating the meat of the whale to stay alive, he discovered that he had a range of super powers- Ultra Strength, Ultra Speed/reflexes, Flight (redundant thanks to his Legion Flight Ring), Invulnerability, Ultra Hearing, Ultra Vision and Flash Vision (shoots energy beams out of his eyes). The downside- he can only use his powers one at a time. His reflexes have been honed over the years to minimize this limitation (he can switch powers at less than a second's notice), but the weakness still exists.

Regarding power levels- Ultra Boy has consistently shown that his strength, speed and toughness are slightly less than those of Legionnaire M'onel. M'onel, a Daxamite, also known as the legendary 20th Century hero Valor, has strength, speed and toughness surpassed by only one hero in the DC Universe- Superman.

Despite my love for all things Legion, I had to vote for Wonder Girl in this one. While Ultra Boy's powers are pretty incredible, Wondy is a very skilled tactician. Assuming that she knew of U-Boy's weakness (and if she didn't, she would figure it out a few minutes into the battle by observing him), she could develop a strategy to overcome him as long as she had a little time to think, most likely using her magic lasso in some capacity.

Ultra Boy is a good fighter, but he has proven time and again that, at least in his current incarnation, he is not a tactician. However much his attitudes and priorities have changed he remains, deep down and always, a gang boy from Rimbor. Cassie would kick his ass after a tough fight.

I knew this was coming. I just knew that Jim would post a Legion vs. YJ poll. I KNEW IT! :rolleyes:


Wonder Girl hands down! She a quarter of the strength of Wonder Woman, has the lasso of lighting, has Zeus as a close a personal friend and possibly her real father (meaning she may have other god-like powers we don't even know about yet), and is a better skilled tactician. She can use all her powers at once and has proven herself against a Doomsday Clone.

If Wondy can take out the Kid Flash and Superboy, Ultraboy was fold like a paper sack.

Oh, ho ho there!! Hold on a second there, Alan.

A quarter the strength of Wonder Woman is far superior to Ultra Boy? I beg to differ!!

Ultra Boy has proven that he is almost as strong as Superman, not less than 25% of Diana. Even Superman confirmed this, back in 1997 in the Superman + Legion of Superheroes comic.

Ultra Boy's like "So how are you going to stop me, Superman? I'm as strong as you and as fast as you." (I'm paraphrasing here, I dont have the comic in front of me).

Superman confirms this by saying "Yeah, but you can only use one of your powers at once. Choose wisely."

Now look, I'll agree that Wonder Girl would beat him, but not because she's stronger. She is, in fact, considerably weaker. She would win because her powers do all work at once and because she is a brilliant tactician. That's why she would win the fight.

She is not stronger. If the competition was arm wrestling, she would lose. End of story. :-P

And of COURSE I posted a TT v. Legion poll. I just hope that everybody doesn't just vote for the teen titans all the way down the line and we get some good contests here.

And thanks for moving the topic to Contests, btw.

I beg your pardon, Jim. I miss stated, and I'm not saying that Wonder Girl is stronger than Ultraboy. But Wonder Woman on the other hand...

I just seriously doubt that Ultraboy is on par with Superman. I'm not saying your lying, mind you. I do believe that was written.

But Clark could have just been humoring Ultraboy. Afterall, why go and hurt the dear boy's ego more than it already was going to get. LOL. :P

And Wonder Woman can certainly hold her own with Superman so battling against Ultraboy would be no problem. When Diana and Clark fight it is either a draw. Wonder Woman's strength is only slightly weaker than Kal's. Slightly being the key word. And Cassie may not be as strong as Ultraboy, strength is only a minor factor in any fight, as you stated.

And agreed tactician is Wondy's strong suit in this fight. But then there is the fact that Wondy has the power of the Greek Gods behind her and her new golden lasso of lightning. Not to mention it is believed her daddy is Zeus. Meaning, Wondy might have more power than anyone including herself, could know about.
Look at her 'big brother' Heracules. We aren't really sure what her future holds. LOL.

Well...actually lately in Teen Titans they've been hinting that Ares is her father. Or at least that's how I've been interpreting it. Like when Cass was saying that she hated her father Ares showed up telling her to be strong, could be a false lead though.

Voted for Wondy btw, but my voting's gonna be slightly biased since I know little to nothing about the Legion. I'll probably wait to see what everyone else says and go on that information.

Actually, I think Ares is playing the role of 'concerned big brother' rather than father. Afterall, look at the gift that he gave Wondy. A lasso that shoots Zeus brand lightling bolts. Even Wonder Woman admited that the lightning was similar to Zeus's. Gods know that Diana has been zapped enough by the Zeus' lighting bolts. LOL. :P

And according to Wonder Woman comics, Cassie had gone to locate her father - who was seemingly a normal man living an everyday life. But this 'normal man' was in possession of a specific gift Cassie gave to Zeus upon gaining her powers - suggesting Zeus had taken mortal form and was indeed Cassie's father.

Hm, it could be a concerned brother deal. Though it wouldn't be the first time something from a previous comic was totally disregarded in Teen Titans. :rolleyes:

First off, I agree with Alan's interpretation of the Ares thing- I also saw it as a concerned big brother role.

And, regarding Jo's strength- if you'll look at the first post, I said that U-Boy was slightly less strong than M'Onel/Valor, who was slightly less strong than Superman.

I see the ranking as being like this, purely refering to strength:

1. Superman
2. Three-Way-Tie: Wonder Woman, Captain Marvel, M'onel
3. Ultra Boy and a couple of others on this level (i.e., Captain Marvel Jr.)

So, I agree that Wonder Woman would also be slightly stronger than U-Boy. However, untill Cassie starts demonstrating some of these unfound God-like powers, I'll stick with my opinion that she is, while stronger than any mortal man, relatively far down the totem pole when compared to other super strengthsters. I see her as weaker than the Marvels, Valor, Wonder Woman, U-Boy, Monstress and the like, but stronger than others like Cyborg, Ferro, and the like.

But, again, I agree that she would beat Jo in a fight; that is how I voted.

Keep in mind gang I used quotation marks around 'Concerned Big Brother'. Afterall this IS Ares we're talking about. We all know he's got something sinister planned for his baby half-sister.

Please note the lack of quotation marks when I used the term. I think that this may be a sign that Ares it turning over a new leaf. I always believed that Wonder Woman exagerated his evil and judged him too quickly.

What are you talking about? He's the god a war. Its his nature to do evil. He's the entity that cause almsot all the big wars in history. Ares has something planned. There is no doubt about that.

Heck, he spends most of his time trying to kill his own father. And considering what Ares did to the Amazons over the years, you can see why Diana doesn't like him.

Yes, he has done some bad crap to the Amazons, which accounts for Diana's bias.

War is not by nature evil. It is a necessary part of the world and society. If you're looking for a good read on the subject, I suggest the fantasy novel "Wielding a Red Sword" of the Incarnations of Immortality series by Piers Anthony. I share many of the opinions put forward by and to the Incarnation of War in that book. Notwithstanding the fact that most of those opinions were first put forward by the Incarnation of Evil.

And sometimes killing one's own father can be a necessary, or at least not necessarily evil, thing. Though I think that Ares is unjustified in his attempts to do so.

I think Ares may have gotten a bum wrap, overall. I think he may be up to something good. After all, he's not just one of Wonder Woman's supervillains. He's a god.

In the DCU Ares creates wars because he enjoys it. Not because it is necassary, but because it is who he is.

Ares wants to kill Zeus, because he wants control over Olympus. Zeus and Artimes (and the Amazons) are all that stands in his way. He is sickened by Zeus' love for mankind and feels that his father is weak, because of the kindness he shows towards man. Whenever Ares does something, especially involving Wonder Woman and her family, there is something evil behind it.

No doubt Ares is trying to turn Cassie against Diana.

Maybe that's not such a bad thing. I never really liked Wonder Woman; she is arrogant, pompous, extremely self-righteous and imposes her views of morality and correct action on the rest of the world. And, as Cassie so rightly pointed out, she's passive aggressive.

Personally, I think Cassie might do better with Ares as a role model than Diana. And I'm being totally serious here.

Wow... that was slightly negative. Aside from the passive agressive thing that Diana has at times, I'm afraid I greatly disagree.

Diana isn't pompus, she's wise. She isn't self-rightous she cares. She isn't arrogant, she is proud. She doesn't force people to follow her beliefs. She does what is right and she explains her own beliefs of right and wrong to those who wish to listen.

She never says people has to follow what she says. She leaves everyone to make their own decisions.

As for Ares as Cassie's mentor... yikes... so instead of being trained in peace and morality (something the Amazons have accomplished) you're rather have Cassie trained by an evil power hungry tyrant who is planning death and destruction for all of humaity?

OK, OK. While I continue to stand by everything I said about Diana, and I much prefer a number of other super heroines like Power Girl, Spark/Lightning Lass, Wonder Girl, Sue (when she was alive... sniffle...), Phantom Girl/Apparition, Fire and Supergirl (note the absence of the Dreaded Quotation Marks of Doubt, which means I am refering to the original Pre-Crisis Kara), I admit that Ares would also not be a very good mentor, however misjudged I may personally think him to be. Perhaps Starfire could be Cassie's new mentor.

But, again, I stand by everything I said about Wonder Woman. She has her moments from time to time, but overall I must say that I really don't like her, for all of the reasons I allready sited.

Come on, everyone, two more days left to vote for Wonder Girl or Ultra Boy. The next matchup is on the 15th.

-Jim

Well, it's been a week, so it's now my duty to close this poll and declare Wonder Girl the winner of the first battle in the Legion v. Titans Tournament.

And whichever one person voted for Ultra Boy (it wasn't me!), the Legion thanks you for your loyalty, as does Ultra Boy, who is now off crying somewhere after losing to a girl who is smaller and younger than him. Boo hoo.

Next: Raven v. Kid Quantum!