Yes! It was Secret who appeared from the shadows, and is facing the winner of the tournament. Only person I could think of who'd really be able to take it to Secret by herself and we're saying that this is after she was trained by Darkseid, wish there was a microhero of her costume then, hm might make one when i get the time. Anyway, vote away!

Oh that is a tough one. Secret definently had uber-power. More so than even she realizes, I'm certain. But I still gotta go with experience and history.

Raven's been doing this job longer than Secret and she isn't as naive as Greta is. Raven is clear and to the point and with her Soul-Self, Empathy and Trigon's power to back her up, she'd definently give dear Greta major problems.

I haven't been able to vote yet, cuz I don't want to be biased lol, though I am leaning more towards Secret, especially if knockout gas really can take Raven out. I know that Raven has more experience, but Greta's like...the grim reaper basically lol. But Raven could still win, it just wouldn't be easy either way.

Marx, you've really done it this time.

Every other match, I could tell right away who I thought would win. Here, I can't decide.

Good match, man.

Thanx, didn't like the idea of the final match being a landslide lol. Took me a good while to finally make up my mind.

looks like secret is gonna take this one. If this raven is the new de-aged raven then it might be a bit of a struggle for her to win anyhow seeing as how we really don't know what she can do and she needs to gain control over her powers a-gain thus giving secret the advantage

The fact that Raven needs to adapt to her new body is her only real weakness at this point.

Raven's mind still contains all the memories and experience of her past. And Raven does have control of her powers to an extent. The same goes for Secret.

Raven still has all of her past power, Empathy, Soul-Self, precog, teleportation and so on. She just might have a few new ones we aren't aware of yet.

Secret can't use the abyss against Raven, who has been there and done that. It takes a lot to scare Raven and Raven's died. So death and stuff won't even faze her.

Greta is emotional. She acts from the heart, and doesn't always consider her actions from a strategy stand-point. Raven on the other hand tries to sticks to cold logic, and since she can't allow her emotions to get out of hand, else open a gateway to her father's dimension.

Frankly, I don't see either having a clear advantage over the other. They each have weaknesses and strengths. In the end, I think it would be the luck of draw for either of them.

But of course there is the fact that in the comics, Secret has no powers anymore... So... :P

and that my friend is true ...............

Ha Ha! And it turns out that even though Raven totally dominated what she thought was the last match of the tournament she couldn't stand up against the last bonus entry. Not that any of the other Titans would fare much better mind you lol. *presents Greta with the "#1 Titan" medal, which is odd considering she isn't a Titan, but hey what can ya do?*

Not exactly fair, considering Raven won against the offical Titans.

Shouldn't Raven win the '#1 Titan award' and Secret win the '#1 dangerous teen heroine award'?

After all, as you said, Greta is NOT a Teen Titan, and wasn't even be in the offical running.

So she's shouldn't get the 'Titan' award.

And to say the other Titans couldn't take down Secret is a major understatement, wouldn't you say?

For example, Secret couldn't win against Robin. Afterall, she could never hurt him. He wouldn't want to hurt her, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't if there was no choice.

Not to mention Robin has probably studied Secret extensively and knows how to make her 'inert' using certain chemicals, ice-grenades and electricity. The reason he's never did it during the final battle in YOUNG JUSTICE, was because he had hope that she wasn't fully evil yet and didn't want to kill or hurt her until he could try to bring her back from the brink.

As powerful as Secret is, she still has several exploitable weaknesses.

Hmmm, when you're right Alan you're right. *changes Secret's award to the "#1 Most dangerous teen hero award" and gives Raven the "#1 Titan award"*

And now Secret wouldn't hurt Robin, but she totally would have done it after Darkseid trained her which I said was the point that she'd be facing Raven at. And she wasn't really planning on fighting Robin, she was just going to throw him into the Abyss. Electricity wouldn't have worked because it never really hurt her in the first place, it just reminded her of her death which Darkseid helped her get past. Not sure if the ice would be that effective because it only slowed her down when Hell froze over, she still came back from it.

Also we have no actual proof that the chemicals would have killed her, that's just what the DEO said. I always thought that was pretty far fetched considering she's death, she shouldn't be able to die. But saying that it would work he'd have to get her into a canister first and chances are she'd throw him into the Abyss before he had a chance to.

The main way to get her is through her emotions which I admit Robin could do. As a matter of fact that is what he did lol. Not to mention that's how Darkseid manipulated her.

Actually Marx, Greta isn't Death. She's a spirit who sends people to their final destination. If she were death, she'd be the one killing people and THEN leading them to their final resting place. She's warder and she can feel death, but she isn't it.

And think about it for a second. When Greta goes mist, she becomes a chemical gas of sorts. Her molecules are unstable, and it is shown that she can be effected by certain things. No doubt her mist for is subseptible to a certain chemical reactions, just like the human body is subseptable to arsenic.

And as I understood it the electricity did hurt Greta to an extent physcially. She did cry out in physical pain when she was inside Mrs. Smith's body and she didn't even know that the doctors were using defibulators until they zapped Mrs. Smith and she felt the pain. The pain was only intensified by the memories of her death.

But Darksied taught her to endure the pain and move past the memories. Kind of like how Batman has trained his people to endure truth serum.

Secret anticpated Spoiler using electricity and had herself emotional and physically perpared for it. But she'd never expect her precious Robin to do the same thing.

Secret's body is a gas. Any gas can be solified and effected with the right temperature, and I'm pretty certain Robin's ice disks can have a proper effect.

You think the Powers That Be, would be crazy enough to give Secret; an emotionally scarred and slightly unstable 15 year old; near-unlimated powers without tangible weaknesses in case she turned against them or the people she was supposed to help?

Actually that's what I saw death as. The spirit that takes the soul to it's spiritual destination. And it's not like she can't kill and then take them into the Abyss, she can turn solid after all. I even believe she was referred to as the personification of death, not saying that the reference couldn't have just been because of her connection to death.

And I'm not arguing that she has no physical weaknesses, the DEO's caged her multiple times. I'm just saying that I don't think she'd give Robin the chance. Once she opens the portal, he's screwed, throwing a ice disk into the Abyss is kinda redundant and since she can make it into a vacuum like she did with the DEO and the APES, that's where it'd go. Likewise if Rob was able to get her frozen before she opened the portal that'd probably work since we know she's been frozen before even though she'd reform eventually.

As for Greta not expecting Robin to attack her. She was going to suck up YJ into the Abyss, there's no way she wasn't expecting them to fight back including Robin. She just wasn't prepared for his apology.

And you'd have to question The Powers That Be for giving Greta the power in the first place, or why they never told her what she was, unless they did that throught the Spectre, and you'd have to why they waited so long. As far as that's concerned there's questions all over the place lol. I don't know much about the Black Racer but I'm pretty sure he wasn't roaming around 48 issues before knowing what he was.

This could be interpreted many ways, since Death is an intangible subjet. As I've always understood Secret is more like the boatman of the river stixs. She's more of the taxi service.

And yes Tim referred to Greta as Death Personified. She the most tangible thing to being dead in their lives. She's WAS dead afterall and she was linked to leading people to their resting place. But she wasn't responisible for death. She didn't decide who lived and who died.

And normally when Greta opens the abyss, she still keeps her face and upper torso visible. Especially when she is pissed off and feels like gloating. If Robin threw an ice-disk at her head, her entire body would freeze and the abyss doorway would close automatically. Its all a matter of timing. Something dear Tim is quite good at.

And of course Secret would give Robin the chance. She didn't give the DEO a chance because she didn't really know anyone there. So it was a clean cut job. Suck them into the abyss and so on.

If she had really wanted to take down YJ, she would have just opened the abyss from the moment she returned to earth and suck them all in. Instead she went of a physical fight.

Same with Spoiler. She attacked her physically first, but Spoiler being so lame could do very little against Greta so Greta go bored and sucked her in.

Robin threw her for a loop by apologizing. If they were to fight again, she would expect Tim to try and talk her down again. But Robin isn't predictable and would hit her someway new. He can be quite vicious when he needs to be.

As for Black Racer, he's always been around. He himself IS infact Death. He will swoop in and kill off people before taking them off elsewhere. He isn't just a taxi, he's a tool as well.

And the Power That Be gave Greta her power in order to balance the scales of the universe. They expected her to learn for herself over time. See while the Powers that Be control the universe, people still have that nasty thing called free will. They gave her a certain amount of power, but they couldn't always tell her what to do with it.

That's where it gets trickier, she's more than capable of killing and sending them into the Abyss, whether they want to go or don't. And Spectre did say that she could stop people from entering under certain circumstances, we just never found out what these circumstances were. He also said that the Black Racer was a warder as well, just Secret was unique.

And since it's yet to happen we don't know exactly how much control she has over the Abyss. For all we know if Robin froze her the Abyss would just suck up everything without her to control it. I'm not saying this would happen or not, it's just a possibility and taking a pretty big risk.

I do agree that Robin would be unpredictable, but to be honest Greta can be just as unpredictable given the circumstance, hence the name Secret. :P Be honest, did you see Greta trying to take the entire world into the Abyss, at any issue? Including 54? lol

Alright Marx, I'll concede that Secret could be thought of as Death personified. She can't actually be considered death though since death is an abstract concept.

Actually Secret is quite predictable. It was easy to see that if she went evil she would simply draw the DEO and Spoiler into the Abyss and obviously she would try a physical attack against YJ.

Secret's name means that everything about her past was a secret and that he existance was to be kept a secret from authorities. It never said she wasn't predictable as the dawn.

Greta isn't a tactician and she isn't a fighter. She's a girl who has special abilities she doesn't fully comprehend. And like many meta-human they come to rely on the same attacks over and over and over. Why? Because they think that is enough to win.

But as Batman's contingency files show, it certainly isn't.

Greta would attack Robin directly. Unlike the DEO which she swallowed whole since she hated the organization rather than the people directly, she knows Tim as a person. She would want to confront him one on one and wouldn't jump directly ot the abyss card. That would be too easy, especially if she wanted to REALLY fight him. She'd create solified-hands and what-not.

Robin would fake her out. Use weapons she didn't know he had and manipulate her emotions to where she doesn't know which way is up.

Tim is completely unpredictable. Although he is a good and honorable young man, he knows what his best skill his. He'll lie to Batman, and he'll lie to his friends and family. He doesn't like to, but he will when necessary. He's also dangerous when he needs to be.

But Secret... Gods' know I love her, but No matter what Greta does, she will always be the same shy, scared little girl who will look to others rather than herself.

Robin's appology at the end of YJ 55, was unexpected for her. She never anticipated him doing that and he was able to play on her true essence. As heartfelt and honest as Tim's appology was, he was still manipulating Secret to an extent.

And marx, Actually I did see Greta being able to do that. From the day she drew the YJ team into the abyss and later attacked Spoiler, it was obvious. That was always a dangerous possibility with Greta. Her control to the abyss, there was always the possibility she would go rogue. Power corrupts.

I was expecting Greta to go rogue sooner or later, simply because the kind of abilities she had on top of her fragile state of mind, would sooner become too much for her. It's not a nice scenerio, but as we saw very capable of happening.

As for her control over the abyss, Greta needs to be able to concentrate to open the doorway and to keep the abyss open. If Robin froze her, Greta's concentration would be broken and the abyss would close up. If it wasn't linked to concentration, she would have drawn the world into the abyss long ago by accident. She need to think about what she does in order to do it.

No no no, I didn't mean that Secret was by any means a tactition like Robin is when I said she was unpredictable. With her powers she has a lot of options at her disposal and can be unpredictable but it'd be instinct, not thinking the way Robin does. And I agree, going after the DEO and YJ were obvious, but I was referring to her actually going after the entire planet.

We know it takes concentration to open the Abyss, but there's no proof that once it's open, she has to concentrate to keep it open. That's never really been proven one way or the other. The only time we've seen the Abyss out of Greta's control was when Anita's parents were taken out and for all we know the lasers could have closed it for her so she wouldn't suck in the world.