And the second match, doing what I've heard as the second worst call, Wolvy vs Lobo. So vote and opinionate to your heart's content, and for the record, I just pick the microheroes that I find look the most cool lol.

This is an equal fight in every way, shape and form. Either man could win simply because they are two of the biggest S.O.B.'s in comicdom. But if I were to choose, I'd go with Logan all the way.

Healing abilities, a beseark rage that cannot be stopped, a skeleton that cannot be broken, foot long claws and more combat training than anyone can be completely certain of...

Lobo is a bruiser, Logan is a warrior.

Ahh but I think you're forgetting something. For every drop of blood Logan spills of Lobo's, another Lobo's formed, so he'd have to beat Lobo without using his claws, kinda makes it a little more difficult lol. Now if I'm correct in the original match he didn't have that power, but he got it back after being deaged. Mind you that's an insanely cheap way to win, but it's not like Lobo's gonna care lol.

Yes, but Wolvie is a trained ninja and samuria. He doesn't need his claws to beat Lobo. Logan has gone up against Onslaught, Dark Phoenix, Apocolypse and many other of the universes most powerful beings. Not to mention Lobo's blood needs several long hours to properly form the Lobo clones. For all intents and purposes, if Logan were to 'kill' Lobo, he would be considered the winner of the fight.

They would just have to worry about the Lobo clones far later on once the clones have fully formed.

Aaaah ok. To my knowledge Lobo doesn't know any martial arts so that would prove tricky. Wolvy'd be kinda screwed in the long run since it is possible for him to die, but for the intial fight I guess Logan would have his number, unless he got reckless. By the way, to show how far out of the Marvel loop I am, when did he get the adamantium skeleton back?

Alan since we've met I'm pretty sure I've never disagreed with you more.

LOBO has brawled with Superman before and they've been close to evenly matched.

WOLVERINE has Trouble with Sabertooth most of the time.

LOBO can heal himself from a Single Cell.

WOLVERINE could get his arm cut off and unless he picked his arm and held it in place he'd only have one arm for the rest of the fight.

If Lobo and Wolverine were to fight, then at some point it's safe to say that Wolverine would cut Lobo and he'd bleed. At that point Lobo's blood would start cloning and within a while there'd be an army of people who are a bit weaker than Superman beating on Wolverine.

Lobo can also analyze anyone he's fighting and find a weakness. He's a lot taller too and his bike is filled to Brim with Weapons that could easily skin Wolverine

In fact, in the Marvel vs. DC crossover, they didn't even show how Wolverine beat Lobo, they both duck behind a bar and only Wolverine comes up, That's how inplauisble Wolverine Beating Lobo is, even the writer couldn't think of a scene showing Wolverine winning.

In my opinion Lobo shoulda fought Hulk and Wolverine shoulda fought someone like Deathstroke cause this match was like Darkseid vs. Smurfette.

Wolverine got his Adamantium back when Apocalypse turned him into The Horsemen, Death, during the Twelve Saga.

Darkseid vs. Smurfette.

We all know who would win this one right guys?
Its the heels. ;)

Disagree all you wish Matt, but look at their track records. Logan and Lobo are equal.

First off, Wolverine can't get his arm cut off, because you can't break adamantium. Logan has been burns alive, ripped appart and mentally battered and he has been able to stand up to the biggest bads in Marvel and at times DC.

Height is irrelevant. Logan has fought Apocolypse who is a good 3 feet taller than Lobo. He's taken down the Hulk who is 4 feet taller than Lobo. He went up against Onslaught who is the most powerful entity since the Phoenix

The blood clones are. irrelevant. They take hours to be created. They don't just pop up. The chemical reaction is slow, otherwise the Lobo clones would have attacked a lot sooner after Lil' Lobo was killed during Young Justice. If this is a tournament setting, Logan cuts of Lobo's head, that is the end of the round and Logan wins.

It isn't implausable. Even if they didn't show it, the fact is Logan beat Lobo. You might not like it, but they established that it can happen in the comics. Meaning it is possible.

Lobo has been shot at optic beams, concentrated telekineisis, lasers, claws, heat vision, and every single gun ever made and he's still up and running. He's be blown up, gutted and had the adamantium ripped from his body.

Wolvierine is a trained fighter and can ALSO analyse anyone's fighting skills and find their weakness.

Logan could easily hold his own against Lobo. But as I said in the previous round, they are too equally matched and it will more than likely end up with them destroying everything in sight before sighing and saying 'Screw this, lets get a beer.'

How are they evenly matched?

Lobo has taken on SUPERMAN. Superman is way out of Wolverine's League, they're not even playing the same game.

The Blood Clones are not irrelevant, IF they are evenly matched then this'd be a deciding factor, both of them could go on fighting for hours which'd be long enough for Lobo's clones to manifest and all of a sudden Wolverine's takin' on an army.

Lobo killed his entire Home Planet when he was just a kid, he's been alive and fighting for Hundreds of years now (Yes, he has, he was born around 1599) and that's over 300 years of Experience so even though Logan's been around for over a hundred Lobo's been around for Three times that

Plus, he's even defeated a Green Lantern.

Wolverine's a cool character, but he's really just a door stop when compared to Lobo (IMHO, of course)

Who says Wolverine can't go up against Superman? Have they ever had them fight? Nope. Admantium can cut through any solid material in the Marvel Universe. Who's to say it can't cut Superman or even kill him?

Lobo and Wolverine both have beserk rage, they both have incredible strength and fighting skills, they both have hyper-senses, they both have healing factors, and they both have attitude to no end. They're equal in everything. The only thing Lobo has over Logan is his blood clones which take a long time to create and his cycle that Wovlie can cut to pieces in a nano-second. Meanwhile Logan has his adamantium skeleton that can cut through anything and keeps him from getting his head or arms cut off.

And his blood clones are irrelevant if they don't develope until long after the fight is over. If Logan sliced off Lobo's head, that is the end of the fight. Lobo would be dead and unable to carry on. His clones wouldn't appear on the scene until many hours later.

Logan healing factor has also accelerated to an amazing level. He and Jean Grey were thrown into the sun, and after the Phoenix Force pulled them out of the sun, his body was 50% healed in a few seconds.

Logan has fought many a sentiels, gods, demons, aliens, mutants, humans, armys, and worse over his long lifetime.

If Logan can handle the Dark Phoenix, the Phallanx, Onslaught, Apocolypse then he can handle Lobo.

Logan is not a doorstop. He's a battering ram.

Oh, c'mon. Wolverine has not got a chance against Superman. Superman is Invulnerable, and I know one Punch from either Superman or Lobo would knock him out easily.

Lobo's bike can't be chopped up by Wolverine's claws and those claws of his cannot cut through anything. That's an Exaggeration.

Yeah, Logan healed from going into the Sun. Lobo can heal from a Single Molecule. Wolverine healed from that Sun thing mainly because Phoenix was holding him together.

And you're making it sound like Wolverine actually fought Onslaught or Dark Phoenix. He didn't. He and the X-Men fought both of those threats, and even then both of those threats took the X-Men out. It took the Avengers diving into Onslaught to kill him and Dark Phoenix had to be talked down. In fact the most Damage done to Onslaught was when Cyclops blasted a hole in Onslaught's chest and then Joseph helped tear it open more. Even that just made Onslaught more powerful.

He never handled Apocalypse either. Yeah, they fought but so have a lot of people. Just because he thought against them doesn't mean he can beat someone, it just means he thought against them.

He only handled the Phalanx because of his Healing factor.

Wolverine only one that fight the first time round because he's the Fan Favourite. When people voted for those fights they looked at Lobo and most of them woulda went 'Who? Screw it, I vote Wolvie'

Wolverine is really, REALLY Outmatched and out of his depth, Wolverine would put up quite a fight but it wouldn't last.

In YJ when L'il Lobo was killed it took a whole Army of Parademons to take him down. That was L'IL Lobo. It'd take a lot to kill Big Lobo, and he wouldn't stand there and allow himself to be beheaded. No way.

Door stop.

How can you be so certain that Superman will always beat Logan? Any proof that Logan can't hurt Clark? They've never had Clark fight Logan. Clark is invulnerable to a point. But there is always a few things that can still hurt him. How can you be certain Adamanitum isn't one of them?

You say Logan would automantically get nocked out by Lobo or Superman? You make it sound like he'll just stand there and let himself get hit.

Logan has just as fair of a chance of beating Superman, as Lobo does. And Logan has just as fair of a chance of beating Lobo as Superman does. One claw into Superman's face might kill the kyrptonian. There is no evidence saying that Logan's adamantium claws can't break through Superman's skin and organs.

Wolverine's adamanitum can cut through all forms of metal, rock. I'm vrey certain he can cut Lobo's bike to pieces.

Phoenix pulled them out of the sun at the last possible second. She wasn't so much holding him together but keeping them from sufocating in deep space and controling her fully accessed powers. But Logan's healing factor kept him alive and and it healed completely in a few short moments. That would help him a great deal in a fight against Lobo.

And I making it sound like Logan has fought against people 100 times more powerful than Lobo and survived. He might not have beaten them alone, but he still made them hurt.

And as for 'Fan Favorite', well that's really unfair. The exact same thing could be said about Lobo. If he won a fight against Wolverine, I could easily claim that Lobo won only because he's a fan favorite.

Wolverine is definently NOT outmatched. I still believe that they are equals.

Battering Ram.

How can I be certain that Superman will always beat Wolverine ?

Because, Superman is far powerful, Logan's only offensive are in his claws, but they can;t cut through Superman, why? Because he's got an Aura aroudn him that makes him Invulnerable. Wolverine can't cut through a telekinetic field, unless it was incredibly weak and considering the amount of times Superman has been blown up I know that his Aura is strong, making it impossible for Wolverine to do any kind of Damage unless he cut down a building and made it fall on Supes. But that'd take too long, Superman wouldn't allow him to do it, Wolverine wouldn't endanger that many lives and Superman could EASILY shrug of a Building falling on him.

Superman, then has all of his offensive powers. He has his Artic Breath, Heat Vision, Superhuman Strength, Super Speed, and his Super Senses so that Wolverine can't sneak up on him. A Blast of Heat Vision'd knock Wolverine out cold...or hot. It'd easily skin him, leaving nothing but an Adamantium skeleton, like when Wolverine was killed by a Sentinel in Days of Future Past.

If Wolverine some how manages to Survive the Heat Vision then I don't see why Superman can't break his bones. Thor was able to Dent Captain America's shield, which is made of an Adamantium Alloy and Vibranium mixed together, Cap's shield, therefore, is stronger then Wolvie's skeleton. If Thor, someone who was beaten by Superman in JLA/Avengers, despite Thor being a magical being, is able to dent Captain America's shield then Superman, who is more powerful, could at the very least bend Wolverine's bones, and that's something that his healing Factor couldn't remedy, no matter what.

Superman has a punch that can send Super beings flying, that's Super beings who are in his League, like Darkseid, and Cyborg. Wolverine can life around 800 lbs, so obviously if Superman were to punch him, hard, it'd send Wolverine flying through buildings, he'd be lucky if he didn't go into orbit.

The Fights in Marvel vs. DC were all voted for, that's the only reason Wolverine won because he's more popular, he's way more popular, he's probably the second most recognised person in the Entire Marvel Uni. He's got his own comic, and he's appearing on all 3 of the Main X-Men titles, not to mention he guest stars in most any comic that needs a Sales Spike.

Lobo on the other hand has had his own series, a tonne of minis, two Ongoings and a few One-shots (not to mention he pratically lived in Etrigan's series) these days however he's been stuck in mere guest appearances, exceptr for YJ. If you were to go out into the Street with a Picture of Lobo and a Picture of Wolverine and asked which one'd win in a fight, the majority of People would chose Logan because the know him, only real fans of comics know who Lobo is...and maybe those who've watched Superman: TAS or Justice League.

How are Wolverine and Lobo evenly matched exactly?

Wolverine can life 800 lbs max, Lobo can lift Probably slightly more then Wonder Woman.

Lobo can heal from a single Molecule, Wolverine can't, unless he's being held together.

Lobo has 300 years of Experience, Wolverine has over a 100.

Lobo has some of the most poweful guns oin the business, Wolverine has be blasted by a Sentinel and Died.

Looking at just that Wolverine is seriously outmatched, the fight wouldn't even last long now that I think about it, it'd only take the time for Lobo to get a hold of Wolverine, at that point he's toast, all Lobo has to do is knock him unconcious, but then he may even go all the way and just kill his butt, tear out an organ or two and Wolverine's down for the count, man.

Total Door mat.

But the fact remains that everyone is always pitting Logan against Lobo, because they feel they are equally matched. They're personalities, they're fighting skills and to an extent their abilities. So what if Lobo can lift a few pounds more than Logan? It isn't like that has ever helped people fight Wolverine.

So what if Lobo has guns? Logan can rip them apart with his claws and easily disarm Lobo of them thanks to his skills as a fighter, not a brawler.

You say Superman's aura can protect him from Logan's claws. Do you have any proof they can't hurt him? No. You don't. They've never had Superman attacked by Adamantium. It could easily be that the adamanitum is stronger than Superman's aura. You can't dispute or confirm it. So that gives Logan a possible edge over Superman.Logan's claws are made of an alloy completely different from anything Superman has ever faced. You have no evidence saying that Logan's claws aren't able to hurt Superman.

Logan has been hit by Artic Breath, Heat Vision, Superhuman Strength, Super Speed, a thousand times before and he still shrugs it off. He's been punched by demi-gods and knocked across an entire planet and he comes back fisty as ever.

While Lobo is showing off his weight lifting ability Logan could easily swoop in and punch Lobo in the throat, cut off his head and so on. Logan has great speed and he's smart.

As long as Logan is alive, his body will heal up in a few seconds. No mater what Lobo does to him, his body will heal. Lobo can't tear Logan apart, because his skeleton is the strongest natural metal. Lobo doesn't have the firepower of a super-sentiel.

You make it sound like Logan is just going to stand there throw his claws a few times and then die. That isn't going to happen. Logan is smarter than Lobo and will treat him as prey. Lobo's biggest weakness is that he isn't a brain power. He thinks with with fist. Logan can be accused of the same thing, but he's definently a well known tactician and strategist.

Battering Ram.

Look, I don't know about you, but I'm getting bored with this. We keep throwing back and forth the same things over and over again but never getting anywhere. The fact is you don't think Wolvierine is that good. I give him more credit than you do.

My opinion will remain that he is just as good as Lobo. You don't agree with that. Fine, its your opinion. So why dont' we just drop it, since neither of us is going to budge an inch.

Lobo can't life a Few Pounds more then Wolverine. He can life a few Hundred Tonnes more than him.

Superman's aura makes him one of these most indestructible beings in the entire DCU, that's why he's one of the strongest guys in the DCU. Why would you assume that Wolverine's claws could could cut through that? They have one special property; They can not be broken. Yeah, they can't be broken but that doesn't mean that they can cut through the most invincible dude on the planet, it just means they won't break.

Lobo can tear Wolverine apart. His lungs, heart and brain are off limits since they're surrounded in adamantium, but his Stomach, Liver, Kidneys and Intestines are all fair game. For the record, Wolverine had Bone Claws when he fought Lobo, but I'll assume we're talking about them fighting in their current forms.

But you're right. This' getting tedious, and Lobo's already one the poll, unless we get a mad rush of Wolverine fans.

Simply put, because you two have been going back and forth for eternity. Wolverine won for a reason. It would be one helluva fight. Wolverine is a better warrior than Lobo. Wolverine is a Samurai, if there is something that Wolverine must conquer, he will do so. Lobo was one of them. The end.

And furthermore, on a lighter note, Wolverine will always be more memorable than Lobo. He's easier to relate to. In terms of comic life, that is, how long he will survive in the minds of adoring fans, he's immortal. Lobo is a small-time character compared to Logan the archetype. In the great scheme of things, compared to Wolverine, Lobo is another face in the crowd. And he was treated as one.

Hah.

I seem to remember a time where Lobo lost...to Wolverine....in Marvel vs DC.

Boo hoo.

You spelled über wrong.

"And Wolverine won for one reason: He has more fans than Lobo and his fans voted on him. Simply. I don't care if he's a samurai. Lobo is the best assassin in the universe, he's a freakin' cosmic Ninja. And Lobo has a willpower as strong as any Green Lantern. He simply walked through Gnort's force field in a JLI issue that I don't remember the number. Logan may be a samurai, but Lobo is a force of nature. It'd be like Rickson Gracie (the best martial artist in the world) fighting a hurrycane or a Earthquake."

Does anyone else hear a high-pitched whining noise coming from somewhere? :thatguy:

"He won for one reason....and that reason is this: *Insert annoying statement here*!"

If Lobo is the best assassin in DC, then Marvel must have higher standards. Cosmic ninja, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. There's no doubt in my mind that Logan has greater will. "Lobo has the will of any lantern, for example....G'nort." I'm not saying anything else about that. If Lobo is a force of nature, he's the crappiest one I've ever seen. Especially when a short furry guy with claws takes him out. Or if he isn't crappy, maybe Wolverine's just too awesome for you to comprehend. Which is understandable, if you've been fed one-dimensional characters all of your life.

"He won for one reason....and that reason is this: *Insert annoying statement here*!"

Wonder Woman lost to Storm. Need I say more? That wasn't based on skill and power level, Jackass, it was a popularity contest.

If Lobo is the best assassin in DC, then Marvel must have higher standards.

Can we say: Spider Man Clones.

Cosmic ninja, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

No, the dumbest thing you ever heard was, hmm, Logan can win a guy who's immortal, simply because everyone in hell and heaven is afraid of him. While Wolverine can't hold his own against Magneto. Lobo is a powerhouse. Wolverine is a guy with claws and a fast metabolism.

There's no doubt in my mind that Logan has greater will.

Based on what? You're opinion? Something that mommy said to you while she was tucking you in? Something you read on the bathroom stall of your chess club?

If Lobo is a force of nature, he's the crappiest one I've ever seen.

He killed his entire planet. I think that qualifies him as an Antaean force of nature. At least by My standarts. Remember the recent tragedy in Florida? Imagine you trying to fight that, doesn't matter how skilled you are you'll be knocked out of your feet, dumbass.

Especially when a short furry guy with claws takes him out. Or if he isn't crappy, maybe Wolverine's just too awesome for you to comprehend.

Again, the outcome of the fights were determinated by the fans. Marvel have more fans than DC. This isn't a perfect world.

Which is understandable, if you've been fed one-dimensional characters all of your life.

This one is too damn funny, little focker, since you're talking about a character that UNTIL LAST WEEK, no one knew his f*ckin' origins. Do your research, little dude, if anyone is one dimensional is Wolverine. And c'mon "Origins" is the lamest thing since "Marvels".

Oh, and by the way: I think I spelled "suspension" right, didn't I? I guess you never saw this comin' didn't ya? I'm an admin. Take some time to think it over on the corner 'till tomorrow.