Which of Superman's Rogue Gallery is the biggest bad?

Lex Luthor who has been Clark's mortal enemy from the begining?
Darksied the mad New God who has done all he could to hurt the Kryptonian?
Bizzaro the polar opposite copy of Superman?
Doomsday the creature who once killed Superman?
Brainiac who has plotted the destruction of Earth and Superman for years?
Mr Mxyzptlk who loves to annoy the Man of Steel?
Or maybe someone else entirely?

Cast your vote!

I voted for Doomsday. He's got all those sharp and pointy edges........ oh, and he killed Kal.

You really have to ask? I can't count the number of times I've defended Doomsday's honor, not to mention he's done what everyone else has tried to do and failed in killing Superman, and to top it off he didn't kill Superman by outsmarting him or using Kryptonite, he beat him to death, total respect right there. :D

I vote Darksied. While he has never killed Superman in the primary universe (he's done it in alternate futures and universes), Darkseid has caused Superman more pain then many of the others.

Anyone can kill. It takes a true evil hand to make the hero WISH he were dead. Something that Darkseid has done time and again.

Luthor is close second, because he's Superman's greatest opponent for as long back as anyone can remember. Sure he has no super-powers, but he's still one of the greatest criminal masterminds on earth. And in third Doomsday because he actually killed Kal-El. That's really his primary claim to fame.

Anyone can kill? Then how come only one being's been able to kill this reality's Superman despite countless attmepts? Hm? Hm? Hm? :D

Marx, I said 'anyone can kill'. I didn't say 'anyone can kill superman.' I was speaking in general terms.

And superman has died on multiple occassions before Doomsday (who has? Really, I ask you?).

He was once biten by a vampire and for all intents and purposes dead, had the ruler of a hell dimension not reverse the vampire effects.

Superman and the JLA died during their trip to the past to rescue Aquaman and the city of Atlantis.

Superman almost was dead thanks to a kryptonian virus, had Superboy, Steel and Supergirl not entered his body to undo the damage.

Doomsday was the only villain who kept Superman dead for more than a day.

Being bitten by a vampire, makes you undead. UNDEAD! ...Okay maybe you're right about the other times, didn't know about those lol. Or the vampire one for that matter.

Bleh. I hate Doomsday. Worthless random space monster of a villain, totally didn't deserve to kill Superman. I mean, he just BEAT him to death with his FISTS. He didn't trick him or outsmart him or anything; didn't even use Kryptonite or Red Sun Radiation. What does THAT say, after all? Completely worthless villain.

But, we've been over that ground before.

I voted for Darkseid on this one. The guy is one of the greatest villains of all, my second favorite (After the ever-lovable Time Trapper, of course). He has caused Superman more pain and suffering than I can imagine and, as Alan has pointed out, has killed him about a bajillion times in alternate this-that-and-the-other-Universes.

And he's about to cause Superman even more pain with his fake-Kara. It just gets better and better. :-D

Go Darkseid!! Keep on making Superman work for it!

If you REALLY want to see some Darksied evil, pick up issue 12 of SUPERMAN & BATMAN. Darksied pulls some major crud there. In fact, I'll be writing a review for it momentarily...

I voted for Doomsday. His story had a very simple premise to it, an unkillable space creature falls to Earth and Superman must face him to halt his rampage. But as the years since his inital rampage (which was one of the funnest sluggfests I ever read in a comic) the reader has learned more and more about the creatures origins and why he is what he is. He has grown from a mindless killing machine to a sentient being with an ever growing hatred for the man of steel. Though he is no where near as intelligent as Darkseid or Lex (by a long shot), he possesses the raw strength and brutality, and coupled with Doomsday's ability to evolve after everyone of his deaths to compensate for his previous weakness makes him the deadliest villian the S man has ever faced. Doomsday is also the first creature who ever made the great and powerful Darkseid scared.

As Doomsday continues to evolve he will only become more and more deadly. And of course there is the fact he is the only creature to ever kill Big Blue in one on one combat in this hypertime universe (and I'm not talking about lame vampire bite. Its just silly to believe a vampire's bite without kryptonite dentures could even pierce the skin of Superman when hot lead traveling at 1,000 miles per second can't).

Vampires are mystical creatures Raido. That mean that they have magic inside them and that mean they can hurt Superman who is subseptable to magic.

Mythical doesn't make magical. Hercules is a mythical character does that mean he was magical, he was merely a man with superhuman strength because of goddly father. Vampires are creatures who have made a pact with the devil who then granted them various powers including an infectious bite, slightly modified strength and transforming powers. How many heroes do you know who have these powers, about a gazillion or so. Having limitations to all these powers (such as only being able to change into a handful of animals, not all animals and very limited augmented strength) suggests to me the absence of magic and more like a transformation of the physical being.

MYSTICAL not mythical, Raido. Vampires are based on magic. They are the result of demons (mystical based creatures) taking up an existance in a human's body. Demons have always been based in dark magic over the centuries.

In the DCU vampires have magical powers which allows them to change from bat to human, be immortal and so on. That explains why Superman can be hurt and killed by vampires.

Metahumans who are biologically altered to switch froms and so on is an entirely different kettle of fish.

Well I'm sure you know more about DC vampires than I do. I personally don't consider them magical in any way, but thats just me and apparently DC writers disagree with me. But the very notion of a vampire battling Big Blue seems absurd to me. Allowing that the Vampires teeth were able to pierce his skin, whats to say a vampires plague would effect Supermans Kryptonian DNA. A vampires bite only effects humans as far as all my studying of nosferatu lore goes. Only in a few cheesy hollywood films have I seen animals taken over by the vampire bite. If Superman's DNA is far enough away from a humans to make a complete clone of him impossible who's to say the vampire would be able to effect his make-up at all (besides the writers at DC who wrote this book. If you can't tell I read Superman vs. Dracula and laughed my way through the whole thing. Almost as lame as Superman vs. Aliens...almost).

Maybe we should set up another poll about Superman vs. Dracula :) .

Vampires have almost always been treated originally as magical in the old legends over time. People in the middle-ages feared 'vampires' because they believed them to be created by the devil and so on, who of course is considered to hold dark magical powers. The original lore might not show this (I know it doesn't), but the lore that everyone is primarily familar with is the mystical type.

In Magical Vampire Lore (In which DCU and just about every other comic book follows) a vamp's bite doesn't transfer a genetic plague as you call it. When the vamp bites his victim he plants a demon seed inside the body. The demon takes control.

Considering the power of a vamp comes from a mystical source, the demon would easily take over Superman's mind, like MYXYZPTLK can turn Superman's body from Kryptonian to regular run of the mill human. And Clark Kryptonian DNA does share many similar traits with humans. He has just enough differeneces in order to give him power and make him invulnerable.

And considering they've shown Superman become a vamp many times over the years, that shows he can be affected by vamps.

I always enjoyed the way that Marvel depicted their vampires in the Blade and Mobeous books better than the mystical angle that DC uses. In these issues the Vampires dabble in the occult (but really, who doesn't). But they always treated the vampirism more like a disease than a demon seed. A disease with genetic properties to explain the transformation and whatnot. But that is one of the fundamental differences between the two companies anyway, Marvel enjoys bringing their beings down to Earth and DC likes to elevate them above the clouds. But this instance I will conciede to your DC vampiric knowledge. But I still think the very concept is lame and I definitely go with Doomsday for best Superman villian for the reasons I stated above.

Well, actually even in Marvel they depicted vampires as mystical creatures at times.

If you read the old Marvel 'DRACULA' books from the 50's, the original Blade comics, or the X-Men comics (were Dracula turned Storm into a vamp) where they had vampires involved the vamps were treated as mystical being with all the religious-related weaknesses and so on.

It was only in the last 15 or so years and mostly in the Blade movie that they decided to make vampirism gentic-related and then transfer that into comics. But when they introduce vamps every now and again, they sometimes still touch on the mystical aspect, such as Vampire-Storm from the MUTANT X series.

The only reason people took the magical route with Vampires in the early days of comics was because there was no other way to explain them. The science of the day did not have the current genetic knowledge that it possesses today which allows people to look at creatures like Vampires in a whole new light. To look at them under a microscope and see why they are what they are instead of just saying it must be magic. Being able to study things on a genetic level and understand what was being looked at only happened within the last 10 or 20 years.

But hell Robin, to tell you the truth I stopped caring about the great Vampire debate about 3 posts ago. As I stated before Doomsday is #1.