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Title: DC vs. Marvel pt. 33


Marx - March 15, 2005 12:07 AM (GMT)
Past Matches
Spiderman d. Superboy(Though Sb would have won if the poll had gone on another week. :P)
Lobo d. Wolverine
Superman d. The Hulk (unanimous)
Darkseid d. Thanos
Captain Marvel d. Thor
Aquaman d. Submariner
Green Lantern d. Silver Surfer
Electra d. Catwoman
Robin d. Shadowcat
Wonder Woman d. Storm
Batman d. Captain America
M'onel d. The Thing
Nightwing d. Daredevil
Steel d. Iron Man
Human Torch d. Fire
Green Arrow d. Hawkeye
Harm d. Mr. Sinister (Yyyyeah Boyeeeeee!)
Madame Web d. Time Trapper
Archangel d. Hawkgirl
Iceman d. Ice
Iron Fist d. Karate Kid
Wonder Girl d. Jubilee
Etrigan d. Ghost Rider
Mr. Fantastic d. Plastic Man
Doomsday d. Onslaught, Sentry, and Trigon
She Hulk d. Thunder
Nightcrawler d. The Creeper
The Eradicator d. Beta Ray Bill
The Spectre d. The Living Tribunal
Deathstroke d. The Punisher
Dr. Strange d. Mordu

Current Score
DC: 17
Marvel: 11

Psychos galore! Not a heck of a lot more to say about it. Well there is the fact that I don't know too much about the Green Goblin besides movies/cartoons, but either way this would be one twisted fight. So vote vote vote!

STOMP - March 15, 2005 12:58 AM (GMT)
Awwwwww both of em were mad cool baddies!! This is uber hard! Do you base it on... gadgets? creativity? obsession with the local vigilante? makeup?

Now style points go to the joker. As do the crazy mo fo points. Goblin closes the ground because in an actual one on one fight, thanks to his big jet thingy and the halloween themed bombs (How many can he carry at once?) He's like friggin Santa Claus with the toys. But so was the JKR.

And you all know my tiebreaker goes to the movies. Because let's face it people, the next generation of comic fans are going to be brought in by these movies. I love William Defoe. He was amazing in Spiderman. Basically he was the number one reason I enjoyed that film. However, he can't compare to Jack Nicholson and the grandad of all villains.

Joker has to have it baby!! NERVE GAS YEAH YEAH!!!

Robin - March 15, 2005 01:01 AM (GMT)
Joker of course wins. First off, he's insane. He has no sense of compassion or ryhme or reason to his life. Only one thing drives him. 'The Joke of Life'. To him everything is a joke and he doesn't care who he has to kill to make him laugh.

The Green Goblin might look crazy, but any Spider-Man fan will tell you that's he's actually very sane. The chemical that turned him into the Goblin gave him a split-personality that make part of him a jerk of the business man the other a costume freaked. But he goes against Spider-Man (and only Spider-Man and his loved ones) because he want some sick for of revenge.

The Joker targets Batman and crew because they are a challenge. They make his life fun. But that doesn't mean he isn't above killing other heroes, such as all the times he went after Lois Lane just to spite Superham.

Plus the Joker has more skills than the Goblin. The Goblin is a technical genius and he knows a few chemical formulas, but he primarily relied on his workers at Oscorp to do his research.

The Joker reads a lot. He's an expert on chemicals, weapons, explosives, computers, and so on.

Besides the entire DCU is scared of him. Even Martian Manhunter's telepathy can't contain the Jokers madness. He tried once and the Joker was too much for him. Supernatural beings like the Specter have entered his mind and been disturbed.

Shinobi - March 15, 2005 01:11 AM (GMT)
Curses, my love of the goblin foiled by superior logic from Alan.

Hmmm...imagine if they worked as a team? Mwahahahahahahaha.


Robin - March 15, 2005 02:18 AM (GMT)
Plus the Joker's smile in part of his body and not some lame latex mask. That makes him even creepier.

STOMP - March 15, 2005 01:44 PM (GMT)
Joker definitely get's the crazy points hands down. And that's a hell of an argument. What woud've made the argument a bit tougher is if it was hobgoblin rather than green goblin. And I'm talking about the hobgoblin that actually lost his humanity or whatever and actually started turning into a demon. I remember this scary arss issue where he was turning this little homeless kid into a monster like him. Pretty disturbing.

Ok but now the real question. Who wears the better shade of purple??

Robin - March 15, 2005 07:06 PM (GMT)
Again, even then that wouldn't do anything. Carnage, Darksied, Venom and dozens other big bad 'I-So-Crazy' villains have gone up against the Joker and been freaked out by him.

Carnage thought he was too crazy, because he didn't just kill people, but rather tortured them into death using far more elaborate means.

And Joker wears Eggplant, not purple. Get it straight. ;)

STOMP - March 15, 2005 08:12 PM (GMT)
-_-

It's purple...

Robin - March 15, 2005 08:16 PM (GMT)
No. Its Eggplant. They had a comic where Joker killed a man because he said the suit was 'purple'. :P

Shinobi - March 15, 2005 08:19 PM (GMT)
And what about Venom? And Darkseid. THAT I'd be interested in hearing. How a man with an entire planet under his control and whose power is on scale with superman was freaked out by Joker(not that I doubt it it just seems interesting)

Robin - March 15, 2005 08:22 PM (GMT)
Its not that suprising. Darkseid is a being of cold-logic. He only kills when it suits his scheme. And so he'd be destrubed by someone who kills four city blocks because he got grape filling inside his supposed cream filled donut.

NutiketAiel - March 15, 2005 09:22 PM (GMT)
I'm with the Joker on that one. I hate it when they give me a jelly donut when I asked for creme. I've killed a few people for that one myself.

Robin - March 15, 2005 09:29 PM (GMT)
Oh yeah, a writen confession. Now where did I put the D.A.'s phone number...?

kidflash3 - March 15, 2005 11:18 PM (GMT)
Green Gobin is so much more crazier, he tried to make Spidey his succeser for crying out loud!

Robin - March 16, 2005 12:48 AM (GMT)
So what? +_+ Ra's Al Ghul tried to make Batman, Nightwing and Bane his successor and he's actually consider the more sane of Batman's rogue gallery.

Green Goblin isn't all the crazy. He has a reason for his actions. The Joker doesn't.

Marx - March 16, 2005 01:15 AM (GMT)
You call getting a grape filled donut instead of cream no reason? Why that's the best reason, we're talking donuts here! :P

Robin - March 16, 2005 01:19 AM (GMT)
But here is where things get crazy. He had original asked for grape-filled, and changed his mind when he got the donut.

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 03:33 AM (GMT)
True, GG is a genius, he's only considered insand because his plans to kill spidey have failed. Genius and insanity are seperated only by success.

And, yeah, Joker's biggest card is unpredictability. I could see him killing four blocks because he got the wrong donut. Which is why if he were real and I did live in gotham you bet i'd be the first one on the joker bandwagen. Its better to be the right hand of satan then in his way. where did i steal that from...

Robin - March 16, 2005 04:10 AM (GMT)
Justin, you do know that the 'right hand' of the Joker have the life expectancy of Jenifer Lopez's relationships right? If the Joker were real, he'd shot you within the first few weeks of employment. Harley Quinn is the only one who isn't dead, and that is because she's his 'girlfriend' which he beats on a regular basis and she doesn't mind.

And if the Joker doesn't kill you, Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Black Canary and Huntress are going to kick your butt on a reqular basis.

NutiketAiel - March 16, 2005 07:32 AM (GMT)
You stole that quote from "The Mummy."

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 11:45 AM (GMT)
As long as I can prove myself an exeptional minion i should live at least a few hours longer.

And Jim, thank you. You may have this legion ring from the comic shop I go too. *throws it at his head* and yes, they really do have one there, i as looking around the shelves and saw it. They also have a much cooler collection, its a set of different versions of the GL ring. Pretty cool.

Robin - March 16, 2005 12:02 PM (GMT)
Justin, you'd be lucky to get past his initiation process. To Joker there is not such thing as an exeptional minion. They're just victims dumb enough to work for him. Hell, that's how he describes Harley.


Shinobi - March 16, 2005 12:06 PM (GMT)
Ah, but would you rather be the immediate victem or would you rather be the guy wearing the facepaint behind him? Batman and Robin are nonfactors in this as well.

Marx - March 16, 2005 01:36 PM (GMT)
Personally I'd just move out of Gotham or go against him. It would just annoy me to know that chances were more likely that I'd be killed by my boss than the good guys we're supposed to be fighting lol.

Jason Todd - March 16, 2005 06:06 PM (GMT)
Joker.....he kiled Jason Todd....and his mom.....and Commisioner Gordon's wife....and in the ElseWorld's stuff (and this main one I think) Gog's family.....and paralyzed Babs' He participated in the whole Hush scheme to rub the Jason Todd thing in his face.

Green Goblin killed Gwen Stacey, pffft. What now Spidey discover's GG and Gwen had an affair and fostered two super powered offspring...... :huh: :blink: :pissed:



Joker all the way


Robin - March 16, 2005 07:28 PM (GMT)
Justin, being the guy in the face paint IS being the immediate victim. At least the civilains will get some time to live while the Joker sets up his sick plan. His henchmen are standing right there and Joker will kill them for sneezing the wrong way.

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 07:58 PM (GMT)
Touche, and actually right now GG has Mary Jane in the same position he had Gwen stacy in, spidey caught up to him on the bridge, and it cut out with

'My my Mr. Parker, doesnt THIS seem familier?' He also has Aunt May kidnapped and hidden someplace. But yeah...Joker wins this one.

But at least the henchman would have a gun or a baseball bat...just hit Joker when he isnt looking.

Robin - March 16, 2005 08:42 PM (GMT)
Hit the Joker and he'll kill you even faster or Harley will kill you within a matter of seconds. Face it Justin, join the joker and you are dead.

STOMP - March 16, 2005 08:56 PM (GMT)
Ok so yes the Joker is god... we get it Alan. He's the classic bad guy. In fact, if we're choosing a DCU villain to have a love affair with... he probably gets my vote. Now getting a jelly donut is reason enough for mass murder in my book... on a bad day we're talking genocide.

Now onto working for the joker. A long life expectancy is not on the list of perks. But c'mon it'd be fun. Admit it. C'mon... puuuuuuuleeeeeeease???

Ok and if we're assuming Maryland and Deleware actually had cities in them like Metropolis and Gotham respectively. Who in God's name would live in Gotham? Like seriously one of this month's batman comics, spends the first half of it talking about how crappy Gotham is and how on any night you have 80% chance of being killed, 10% of being saved by Batman.... and I'm assuming the last 10% of becoming someone's henchman.




















It's purple.

Robin - March 16, 2005 09:09 PM (GMT)
Oh shut it Stomp. Don't try to mock me. :rolleyes: I said the Joker is crazy, not god.

Its eggplant. The Joker kills people who calls it purple.

And I'm not seeing getting killed five minutes after joining Joker's gang to be fun. It would be fun for the Joker, but for his henchmen (aside from Harley) its living in a constant state of fear, if you live long enough to do that. And I'd give it 1 % to be a Henchmen. That's a pretty big city.

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 09:18 PM (GMT)
Okay okay you win. Well then what gotham villain would be best to end up having to work for? Hmm

BTW stomp have you considered that many people may simply not be able to afford to leave?

STOMP - March 16, 2005 09:18 PM (GMT)
Ok... First of all we gotta clear up this STOMP crap. It was just the first word that came to my mind when registering. Call me Giff.

Secondly, that wasn't a mock attempt. You may not be obsessed with the Joker, but after you went ahead and gave us those examples of how awsomely crazy he is, my love for super villains who wear suits for no particular reason was rekindled.

And stop denying it, you would have an amazing amount of fun for as long as you could stay alive. What other gang could you join that would give you a legitimate chance at bashing Batman on the head with a pipe?

And it so is purple, the guy he probably killed was his tailor, who was just speaking the truth. The Joker just has a complex, due to him being gay. He thinks saying eggplant reestablishes his masculinity, but we all know why he chases Batman around that city... Yes welcome to my sick head!

Robin - March 16, 2005 09:22 PM (GMT)
How can you have fun, if you know you are going to A. Die. B. Get your body broken in very painful ways by Batman and Crew. and C. Going to jail. The only person who ever has fun in Joker. His henchment are just targets.

And it is Eggplant. Its docuement as Eggplant. The Joker was shown ones with a tailor and he held a gun to the man's head saying 'I don't want purple, I want eggplant.'

And that's wasn't so much sick as rather... sad and confusing. :umm: :blink:

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 09:27 PM (GMT)
That poor poor tailor.

hmm...hey I found footage from my short stint as one of Joker's henchmen. *plays it...first scene is five minutes of Me singing 'twinkle twinkle little star dressed like a giant chicken*...I forgot about that part...

*next five minutes is joker slapping me every time I talk*

Thats it i'm out of here!

Joker: *SLAP!* Thats for being a quitter!

Then i'll stay.

Joker: *SLAP!* Thats for being stubborn.

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU!

Joker: *SLAP!* Thats for asking question. Any questions?

No...

Joker: *SLAP!* thats for not asking questions.

Okay...

Joker: *SLAP!* Thats for talking. You here me?

*nodd*

Joker: *SLAP!* thats for listening.

You know...looking back, i'm glad i fled when I did...

(yep, boredom and trying to put off a school assignment are ugly things)

STOMP - March 16, 2005 09:39 PM (GMT)
Exactly my point! That was the second tailor. The first one told him that the color he wore was actually purple. So now he has to hold him as gun point. Ok forget it, I like eggplant more anyway!

Where does a super villain find all of these willing and highly incompetent henchmen anyways? I mean most of them have to know what Alan keeps telling us. And only a few can have sick obsessions with the guy like me. You think they have like an underground henchman training community.

Hi mom & dad... I just sent my application in to the DCUUVBA (aka The DCU Underground Villian B*tch Academy)

Shinobi - March 16, 2005 09:40 PM (GMT)
Lol, nah, they're probably just too scared to refuse.

NutiketAiel - March 17, 2005 08:22 AM (GMT)
Wait, Gotham and Metropolis are in MARYLAND and DELAWARE?!? When was that revealed?

Robin - March 17, 2005 09:28 AM (GMT)
It wasn't. Not really. Depending on who is writting, they imply that Gotham and Metropolis are in New York, Massachutests, New Jersey, Maine... But no one can say for certain. All that people do know is that they are east coast cities. (Except for the TV show Smallville, that says Metropolisis is in Kansas for some reason...)

NutiketAiel - March 17, 2005 10:12 AM (GMT)
Aha, I see. Thanks.

I thought they might have revealed it explicitly at a time I missed. After all, they have placed SOME of their cities exactly (Coast City in California and Central/Keystone City in Pennsylvania, for example), so there is precedent.

Metropolis in Kansas? DoesKansas even have any major cities? Of can they just not be seen above all the cornstalks?

STOMP - March 18, 2005 01:58 AM (GMT)
I dont think so, Kansas City is even in Missouri! But yeah, I don't know where I picked up on that info. Prolly some unofficial DCU map. But yeah comics wise, they do show Metropolis and Gotham as Atlantic Coastal Cities. And Maryland and Deleware do make sense. It creates a nice little row of cities from Atlanta to Boston.




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