I just got Mozilla FIREFOX 1.0 as a Web Browser, and I really like it.
Anybody else use the Web Browser with the cute fox-with-its-tail-on-fire-circling-the-earth Logo?
Also, I have a question:
They show this Anti-Outlook E-mail SP called Thunderbird 1.0, I was wondering if anybody uses it? it's got a cool logo too, the blue-bird-circling-an-envelope logo.

Opionions? Thoughts? Random sharp objects?

*Raises AntiFlame Shield MkVI and FlameHammer MkII*

I use both, and they tend to be better than the Microsoft stuff by far. The only downside with FireFox is that it doesn't always recognise IE only coding. (usually rubbish coding on coder's behalf)

And Firefox shows transparent pngs properly.

I've been using it since 0.6 (or was it 0.5? Dang...), when it was called Firebird. I should get 1.0 on this compy, but I'm lazy and have 0.8.

I should really send them and the GIMP people money. Free software that rocks is good.

I've already told Tilly this but coloured scrollbars (IE only coding) can't be seen in Firefox. After depending on IE for so long, Firefox is like a godsend. I can surf the net with peace of mind, now...

Edit: used 'piece' instead of 'peace'...ack. x_x;;;

Good! I hate thooose. I didn't want to upgrade IE on my old computer because of them (and a few other reasons, like 5.5 being horribly slow). Of course, now I use K-meleon on it and it doesn't matter.

Same with that darn glow tag...

I've started using it recently, I'm still a netscaper though. I don't use IE unless it's nessary, and for diagonsitic purposes.

But I do miss some things from netscape; ALOT.

For starters, there's no easily accesible cookie manager in the menu or at least a little icon like IE, I deal with cookies alot and it's a pain to dig deep into prefs to access it. Anothor is the web editor; netscape came with it built in so I could always click:edit page in it's file menu allowing me to edit the page or rather let me look at a site's inner workins which most of the time was the point.

*sigh* firefox could do with alot of improvements, but I did the switch and I'm using firefox as I type this post.

Control U/View - page source for source...
Tools-Options for cookies...I have it with Privacy as the first thingy to come up, and that has cookies right there. You can just hit alt-t-o...

I've, like Tilly, been using FireFox since version .5. Its my default browser, and my default mail application is Netscape 7. Outlook & IE are evil, and full of holes, or atleast were. Service pack 2 fixed internet explorer's ability to be hijacked by spyware and adware, but its "built-in-ness" is whats led me to use firefox.

What!? Evil? No, I used outlook express as my email cilent for about 2 years and still am. I have too many email accounts, way too many.

Yay Firefox! Firefox is awesome! Not only is it much better then IE in every way, but it also has this totally awesome skin I use, Noia 2.0 (eXtreme) (Screenshot of my Firefox window)

EDIT: Ugh, to upload that screenshot to Comcast, I had to use IE (Comcast's site sometimes doesn't work well with Firefox, and I can't get to the part where I upload files) only to find out tons of adware (and most likely spyware) has attacked it. There's this "Megasearch" toolbar, popups (even on a blank page, which I set as IE's homepage), constant crashes, and other stuff. That kind of stuff is exactly why I switched to Firefox in the first place...

Can't you use FTP?

I so need to try Thunderbird too...although I only use Outlook for an old e-mail of mine I never really use anywhere, which is why I never bothered. I have the preview pane turned off, of course.

I COULD if I really wanted to, but I'm one of those weird people who prefer HTTP uploading to HTP, yeah, I'm weird. Or maybe it's just because I don't want to bother with ANOTHER program to clog up our already clogged computer <_<

I just need to get around to bookmarking the upload page in Firefox, anyway, and virtually all reason to use IE will be gone.

But then how do you chmod stuff and the like? I couldn't have my random Zoids pairing generator without a cgi script, hehe...

Oh, and ZeRo...I don't know if it's what you're looking for, but here's an extension to do with cookies:
https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extension...numpg=10&id=315

Um, I don't? Don't even know what that is. If it's something to do with building websites, I don't do that either. Not like I'd actually have anything to put on a website if I actually tried to make one...

FireFox is a browser...a replacement for IE.

Actually, I really don't have a problem with IE. It rarely crashes (if I don't abuse it) and...it works.

What's so good about FireFox?

Some webservers that dont allow you to get a linux shell (telnet, ssh etc) to your website, automatically chmod the files Tilly. My bearcreek website is like that, but my account at wilkes college requires me to chmod files. Luckily they run Sftp and I can send the chmod command through the FTP program.


~Edit: Chmod is a program that allows you to modify the permissions of files to be shared over a network.

What? Oh, I know what Firefox is alright (Hint, my first post in this thread). I don't know what that chmod thing Tilly was talking about is, though...

Let's see, Firefox has,

-Better security then IE (like I said, my IE has become infested by Adware, but FF is squeaky clean)
-Tabbed browsing (Though really only IE doesn't nowadays)
-Password saving (so that you don't have to enter a screenname/password in every time you go to a site, the textbox will already be filled in automatically)
-Built in Popup blocker (Which, like tabs, most every browser but IE has. It's also better then the toolbars you can get for IE)
-Download manager (keeps all your downloads in one window)
-Open source
-Customizable themes (or in other words, skins)
-Additonal extensions (which add more features to Firefox, like a download toolbar instead of the download manager)
-Built in search bar (which can be switched to a variety of different search engines you can install)
-Easier page searching (Just start typing and a "find" toolbar pops up at the bottom of the window if you have it enabled)
-Easier to manage your bookmarks (using the built in Bookmark manager, versus Windows Explorer)
-Uses up to date coding standards (meaning some websites that don't work well in IE work in FF, but then there's also the vice-versa...)
-Easier and more convienient to disable Java/Javascript/Images then in IE
-Is constantly be updated to fix bugs

Is that enough for you? I'm sure there's still more.

IE = transparent png no worky, too. You say so what...but they have plenty of uses that would be more widespread if IE had supported them. I know I'd use them...

Firefox is, like 10x faster, too.
I had this site I got mp3s from...with IE, it downloaded at 10-18 Kbs/sec.
I went there with FIrefox yesterday...dowloaded at 250+ Kbs/sec

i found firefox to be much easier to use and more convenient, especially with tabbed surfing, so my task bar isn't full of web browser icons

Probably my favorite feature of firefox is the ability to follow links, opening them in a new tab by pressing the center mouse button (usually the wheel). Heh, I look across the top of the window and theres 3 tabs open to ZE...

*looks at tabs* LiveJournal, RPG thread, eBay, eBay, Japanese dictionary, Babelfish, Gojulas profile, Chicago lyrics, ZE, Pheno's, journal, journal, this window, journal.

I often have more than that...it made for SO many windows when I had IE.

-Better security then IE (like I said, my IE has become infested by Adware, but FF is squeaky clean)

So...uh...yeh...


-Tabbed browsing (Though really only IE doesn't nowadays)

...do I need it?

-Password saving (so that you don't have to enter a screenname/password in every time you go to a site, the textbox will already be filled in automatically)

IE has that...I don't want it.

-Built in Popup blocker (Which, like tabs, most every browser but IE has. It's also better then the toolbars you can get for IE)

SP2 gives you one.

-Download manager (keeps all your downloads in one window)

I've got FlashGet for that one.

-Open source

Don't need it, do I?

-Customizable themes (or in other words, skins)

Never use skins.

-Additonal extensions (which add more features to Firefox, like a download toolbar instead of the download manager)

...

-Built in search bar (which can be switched to a variety of different search engines you can install)

I don't use ANY searchbars. period. Can I turn it off?

-Easier page searching (Just start typing and a "find" toolbar pops up at the bottom of the window if you have it enabled)

see above.

-Easier to manage your bookmarks (using the built in Bookmark manager, versus Windows Explorer)

um...Favorites on IE?

-Uses up to date coding standards (meaning some websites that don't work well in IE work in FF, but then there's also the vice-versa...)

haven't come across this yet.

-Easier and more convienient to disable Java/Javascript/Images then in IE

I don't disable them.

-Is constantly be updated to fix bugs

*nod nod*

I'll check it out, however.

It isn't. IE has active x while hated is still a nessary feature of many websites, so no firefox isn't a replacement for IE. You had use up so much room typing that didnt you....
My system is spyware free! *proud*
But that's actualy because I reinstalled the OS a month ago. *no so proud*.

The only reason I use firefox is because everyone talks about it and because of it's skinning support; otherwise I perfer netscape.

*shrug* IE's not bad, it just needs a more innovate company, neither is Microsoft it too needs to be innovate like Apple.corp, if Microsoft thought up things like Apple it would've wiped out the entire market.

But, as noted in the MS vs. APPLE, and AMD vs. INTEL, only when your're struggling to beat the bigger competitor in the market and the smaller guy will you be innotive (I USED IT SO MANY TIMES!) and smart. Ok well more. And slick. I still support Intel though.

Many people who I've heard testimonies from claim they don't touch IE anymore, thusly it has replaced it.

I had use up so much room typing that didn't I? What?

Microsoft is Microsoft, no more no less.

If it wasn't integrated into windows, it would be the first thing I'd uninstall. Second would be outlook, 3rd would be msn messenger.

As for Active X, well frankly that is where IE gets most of its security problems from. A website cannot hijack your browser unless something happens on your system, IE allows advertizements to download Dlls and acvtive x documents and these are programmed to do stuff on your computer. Perhaps scan it for updates, or enable a chat service.

Beyond that, AX is a microsoft propreitary thing and curse it for that.

I said the same thing. Tried it, couldn't stand being without it after mere hours. But I open lots of windows...

Active X? I haven't used it in...um...ages. Never run into something not working, anyway.

I'm in Firefox right now. It seems to take a few more seconds in loading things...odd.

I'll tell you how it turns out. Maybe you did convert me, Zelos, Hatch, and Tilly.

Only time will tell.

Firefox-tan (not to be confused with my avatar [which is sometimes thought to by Firefox-tan])!



And Thunderbird-tan!

The only two reasons why I'd try either of the two programs! :lol:

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Well, that and because I'm some emo non-conformist. I can't get Firefox because everyone's switching to it now... and I'm too lazy to download it :( . Curses. It looked really nice when I tried it over my friend's house too.

Non-conformist? Don't you realise that when you step back you cannot possibly unconform? I mean, if you can be classified as a non-conformist, that means you fit into a category with other non-conformists who all share the same conforming (to each other) traits. You conform to your own 'non-conformist' ideals!

Your existance is paradoxial! Switch to FireFox! Whats 4.5 megs, 10~15 minutes @ 56k? heck, heres the link: http://download.mozilla.org/?product=firef...in〈=en-US

It reminds me of my second favorite quote: "Remember, you're special and unique; just like everyone else."

And don't deny it, I gave you a different angle...
@ Vega: Did you make it your default browser?

Dude...

I was just goth served! :o

The brutal serving I have received upon this day will forever lurk within the bowels of my mind. My life has been but a paradox until this point. Is there any way for me to start over? WHY YES. Firefox is the key!

*gets Firefox*

Not yet...I have the box popping up though. When I do decide to, if i do...then I will. Why?

((I likes it so far, but havent used the tabbing much))

Oh puu... I didn't intend to serve you! I just wanted to give you a second way to look at stuff. I had to deal with the notion myself.... It was a dark time in HaTcH-istory... But we're past that!

;)

Senses sarcasm... meh.. I don't care, makes for an interesting conversation.

The serving has been dealt my friend, whatever the orginal meaning for it may have been. But look on the bright side, I'm a new man now! One that uses the almighty Firefox! The serving has indeed changed me, but for the better.

Lol, no I wasn't being sarcastic. Your serving was just and clean. I was in fact quoting an episode of South Park though :lol:

"Woah....we just got "goth" served..."

"Alright, alright, you served us...now...its on."

Firefox is nice. Very nice. Default nice? not yet. Getting there? Yes. Optimized it for broadband have I.

There are people who own computers who use internet explorer as their web browser?

*raises hand*

I did...my dad does...my whole family does...I use firefox (primarily) now. Note that this has all changed over the course of one night.

Heres one more for the "Things That Are, but Shouldn't Be" book. Many Macintosh computers use internet explorer as their default browser. I'm not sure, But I don't think Stevo incorporated a browser into his OS like Billy did. Some macs use GNU stuff like Mozilla as well. But to think, MS products in a Mac.. wow.

Um *poke* safari which is the (spankin') new browser for Mac was introduced recently (if your recently is a few months, ok half a year or something like that). Microsoft then in hearing Apple released Safari stopped making new versions of IE for mac. I'm seriously, I don't know why but they did though IE 6 for Mac is still downloadable but no more.

Well I'm also amused seeing MS products in Mac, it seems..abnormal. But if MS did such a good job making Microsoft Office for Mac with all it's pretty graphics (I used pretty for a reason) why can't it do that for their OS. I mean the software is in a cyclinder shaped, um CASE! not a box either, and it looks SLICK. I've seen it (not the software but the box), I don't get it if microsoft can do that, then can't it do those kind of things to it's software?

I don't know my firefox seems a little on the slow side too, nah probably the internet (though it's been a few days now).

Well *points* well let me also remind you IE is intergrated for a reason, for example AIM uses IE for it's addable toolbar, and linkable SNs, if you took it out well...

imagine it in your head:

KERNEL MEMORY FAULT
000c0X0000x000c0

:o

But in a lawsuit thaat required Microsoft (it did happen) to remove IE, they tested a IE-free system, guess what? The OS completely fell apart. I'm not too suprised.

Hm...Microsoft stuff on a Mac does sound strange (because of all the anti-Microsoft people out there [who have macs]), but even stranger, I can (and sometimes do) run Mac OSX on my PC. And I can get a side-run linux too.

Even stranger than that. I have Linux running on my iPod.