Seeing as I couldn't find a thread on this I decided to start one (I did try a forum search with vain).... Oh an dthis forum's description dictates that if what you're trying to post doesn't fiti n any otherforums, go here, and so I did.... Member's Section is way too quiet....

I read the 6th book. I'm still interested in it seeing as I caught interest early on and naturally I was curious to find out what happens all the way through. I'm sure some of you still like it even after you're 15, 16, perhaps even older. I recall seeing a post about someone in a diff thread that they were busy reading the book....

At any rate, I finished reading the book and found it quite interesting. Though I have in the past made a point about Rowling's grammar in many situations (though I know it is British it oftentimes peeves me), I stlil like her consistency in the books despite the complexity....very well maintained in my opinion.

I was thinking of making a thread for the discussion of those who will finish reading it, but thought better of it.... Maybe there might not be enough people to make such a thread so I decided not to. However, I'll see how many of you are interested and perhaps someone can start a discussion which would include spoilers, thus having a warning of course.... My thoughts were, however, that some people would stray into it perhaps accidentally and have something spioled despite a notice and a disclaimer.....

Well my main reason is that there might now be enough support for one such topic on the forums, so I'd like to find out first as to how many ppl here have read up to the 5th book and are reading/finished/will read very soon the 6th book.

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....It would be much easier to keep it all to one thread and make spoilers with the universal spoiler tag...like this.....

Spoiler: z0mfgz! Snape kills Dumbledore!!!!/End Spoiler...

z0mfgz, I r maek a spoilur....

We actualy had some off-topicness in some introduction forum about harry potter but this is the first offical harry potter 6th book thread.

Personaly I was disappointed with the book, it wasn't because of the deaths but it seems something changed with this book, and in my opionion for the worse.

^ ahem.....mark your spoilers.....

Fuzzy, there's a reason for me doing this...there are still many people who haven't read the book and I'd rather not let them feel shut out...some people collapse to temptations and end up looking in that thread, ultimately ruining the surprise they wanted. Though they bought it upon themselves, I'd rather not make that happen. In fact, if someone who hasn't read the book decides to highlight your little spoiler, they will be deeply disappointed unless they didn't give much of a rip about the book.

Zeroraven, how is it changing for the worse? The mood obviously is quite more somber for obvious reasons, and "lust is in the air" (not love...) because they're maturing. The relationships that happen are somewhat ... random in my opinion, but remember when Dumbledore said that love is stronger than magic? Hmm? I guess that's why Rowling mighta interjected the relationships.

Deaths...obviously Voldermort being on the lose would foreshadow those (and other more significant deaths would be somewhat obvious as well since Harry continuously suffers losses)...but I see you're not too bothered by them.


So, raven, what exactly were the changes?

I agree. I felt this book was the weakest of all six, though I'm not much of a Potter fan. It felt, to me, like a rather mediocore fanfic. Rowling is probably the only author I have ever seen that can make her own characters OOC.

I like how they dealt with Voldemort's past but even that was half done. What I dislike about most of the HP books is that there is always good and evil. No gray lines at all. She completely killed off all sympathy for Riddle in this book which was a mistake in my opinion.

The whole "Half Blood Prince" fiasco was pretty tacked on as well. It didn't really even serve much of a purpose in the end... except made me hate Harry more. The moron needs to get over himself and start using the Avada or some other dark magic. I require Anakin Skywalker.

Also, this gif is better the whole book IMO. Zomg spoilers for the death.

I guess they all can't be winners.

I'm a bit of a Harry Potter fanatic, and I can honestly say that this book has been, in my opinion, the best of the six. I was disappointed with the quality of The Order of The Phoenix, but this book was much more mature, less bratty, and a hell of a lot more interesting than any of the others. It really dragged you in and the level of escapism was great. All aspects that were introduced, or further introduced, I found great, from love interests, to the background information and the darker sides, to the ending and the need for revenge.
Definitely worth the read, I only finished it 20 minutes ago and I already want to read the rest of the series again. Was extremely good, very impressed.

I agree wholeheartedly with Caps. I can't wait to see how Rowling concludes this story.

MrGuy, the good and evil thing is to build a contrast between the sides, and don't you think Malfoy is a bit of that "gray line"? He seems evil, but after the events in this book, does he really think like that? Dumbledore's words are definetly going to bore into Malfoy...we saw it happening on the spot....

The moron, Harry, did try to use some of the Dark curses...you saw one of the spells he was attempting on the HBP. Not only that, but remember that other spell he used in the bathroom? Yeah if you haven't noticed I'm trying to steer away from specific stuff.... This thread is not yet fully a discussion thread on the events or the characters.

As for the HBP's purpose...I agree, it was a little vague at the end. I mean sure he "helps" him out but I actually figured out who he was quite early (he was good at potions, inventing spells, and the spell Harry ends up using in the bathroom indicated to me what kind of a person he was and thus I was sure of who he was and ended up guessing right). That's when I knew that the character HBP was alluding to was going to be a big deal in this book, and it ends up happening so, doesn't it? However, why this HBP ordeal caused the book to be titled after him (or her :P) eludes me.

Alright so before I get too head of myself and start discussing other more specific points in the book, just try to keep away from spoilers and stay as general as you can as this is not yet a discussion thread.

I don't like the contrast. It's kind of childish IMO. There's no such thing as "true evil" or "true good". Yet, they make Voldemort out to be the ultimate evil and people like Dumbledore to be the ultimate good. Maybe if some of the story was told through Voldemort's perspective it wouldn't seem so one sided.

BTW, I just think Malfoy's a coward. He couldn't go through with... what he was trying to do and acted like a wimp. I think he's still evil, just afraid of the greater evil.

Yeah, that's the thing, he tried. He didn't actually suceed. About the spell in the bathroom, why didn't he use it more? It's obviously a good spell for fighting yet me makes it clear he wants nothing to do with it.

I was disappointed in the half prince thing. Rowling hypes it up, harry reads the book and all (which mind you feels like she recycling some stuff, a evil book? Chamber of Secrets, people getting killed off? Chamber of Secrets, and Hagrid even said so too.)and yada yada big secret, and she [in my opinion] kills it when she ends it short wiht it being Snape's book and then killing the suspense badly. I mean the book is called half blood prince! There needs to be more of a connection with the main plot and the book. The chamber of secrets she pulled it off nicely. But here oh sure it's snape's book, what did the book reallly do that played a big part in the main story?

It's not the love part, its like when you compare the earlier books and the 6th book you see a difference. I'm not talking about the events, or like how they're acting. I'm talking about the storyline in whole, looking at the book. I know I'm running around in circle, but reread the earlier books and then the 6th book and compare.

Dumbledore seems...too "god-like" yes he died but it felt as if Rowling portrayed him as a person who never did a single wrong thing, what no hidden past or something? And then Voldemort is omg evil every since he was born.

Malfoy is the kind of person to act all cool and everything and not actualy do what he says.


Overall, I'm losing major interest in harry potters, I'm more eagerily awaiting Eragon's 2nd book, Eldest, I enjoyed Eragon alot. If you look at it Eragon and Zoids holds some connection. Eragon has a dragon that can communicate to him mentally, which is pretty cool. And in zoids, well you know the pilot and the organoid...yada yada....

In the 7th book, I'll get it for the sake of finding out the end, but that's all really. Major disappointment for me.

All right tha surely answers my question, a little more in detail than I hoped they would get...but I asked for :\

I could try to defend my belief that the book is good, but I'd have to get into some more detail to do that and I'd rather not in this thread. Let's try to keep this thread as general as possible rather than going too specific...and the "spoiler thing" Fuzzy does isn't a good way to hide this as I've mentioned before.

So any other opinions on the book before I decide to open a discussion just relating to the 6th book (or if someone beats me to it :P)?

Harry potter is doing the devils work! @_@

Agreed on allpoints,although it frustratesme that, for the second CONSECUTIVE time, she's K-O'd one of my fave characters.

The R/L thing was, IMO, freaking hilarious...H/G...saw that coming 4yrs away.

Sky you know there's a reason for the removal of those characters.

Oh by the way if you wanna talk about any of the other books, feel free...spoilers possible, but as it has been 2 yrs since the 5th one, you should be fine....

I know...doesn't stop me being p-o'd though...

Personally, here is a list of characters I want to see dead, and who I'd like to kill them:
D. Malfoy(anyone - he's up for grabs), B. Lestrange (obviously, Potter or Longbottom), S. Snape (Potter, of course), F. Greyback (Lupin, duh).

I'm gonna see if anybody else I really don't like should die...But as far as "good guys" go, the really big ones are gone already, except for McGonagall, the Weasleys, and Lupin...Percy Weasley I wouldn't mind seeing knocked off...

Despite what Harry said, I see the relationship(s) developed at the end of Six growing somewhat in Seven...

Bleah your list has too many "bad side" people...what only the bad die? No, otherwise we all wouldn't be sitting here arguing about harry potter and nobody would know about it. Bad things must happen to the good, but then we know in the end...whether harry potter dies or voldomort...we know the good side is going to win, in fact harry is going to live. Not only because he is the main character, but because as Rowling said in what the making of the 4th book that harry's career was already decided. Sure so if Rowling dies we won't be able to read the last book, but she has a secret folder with all the endings written out, their careers etc...I know because in some TV interview of Rowling she said so.

HBP was absolutely great compared to the books preceding it.

Mmm.

Yeah, it was...shorter than 5, thankfully...

What I want to know is how is Harry going to manage killing off Voldemort, if his wand won't work against him, b/c their wands' cores came from the same phoenix?
Obviously, he's gonna use Magic, but his wand won't be of much use.

Obviously, the "items" mentioned in HBP, 2 or even 3 of which are already accounted for, are going to play a significant part in this, but how the pieces fit together in this particular puzzle, well, only Rowling knows, and she ain't telling...
Obviously, I am talking about the Horcruxes created by Voldemort, in an attempt to ensure his immortality - The Diary found and destroyed in CoS, and the black Ring Dumbledore had at the beginning of HBP were two of them, and are now destroyed. Slytherin's locket is another, and it is most likely also destroyed. The other four are: Hufflepuff's cup (location unknown), Nagini, Voldemort's pet snake (ain't gonna get to this one 'till last), and two unknown items, possibly having belonged to Ravenclaw and/or Gryffindor

All righty you know what, this is a discussion so I'm taking there'll be a discussion.... I'm changing the title of this thread to give a warning to all that come. So after I do that, I'll get started a couple of topics of discussion I have.

OKAY SO THE DISCUSSION CAN BEGIN... PLEASE, PLEASE KEEP ANY COMMENTS REGARDING THE BOOK IN THE COLOR "WHITE" (you will have to input "white" manually) AND THOSE WISHING TO READ THEM (READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!) WILL HAVE TO SELECT THEM. THIS IS JUST A SECURITY MEASURE SO AS NOT TO RUIN ANY EVENTS TO ANYONE WHO ENTERS THIS THREAD DISREGARDING THE WARNINGS.

So without further ado, let me get things started...some topics of discussion.

Is Dumbledore (DD) really dead? I was reading on the official HP forums and there are some peole who speculate that due to Rowling's style (surprises, twists, etc.) he might be revived or what not. Now, I think that is highly unlikely. The evidence is against DD, and he is likely to be dead for good. Why do I say this? The appearance of his portrait in the Headmaster's office. This also leads me to think that this will enable him to stay in touch with the real life. How limited it may be, I do not know of course, but it's possible.
Another thing that people were discussing there was that the potion DD took might have been the Draught of the Living Dead, and Snape just put on an act of killing DD so that the Death Eaters around him would not think that he was on DD's side and that Voldy would not doubt Snape....
Now I have two objects of foreshadowing to DD's death: the hand. Hermione even mentions it might be dead...and well he said he was growing old, growing slower, weaker.... This was also foreshadows in the 5th book when Rowling highlighted DD's wrinkles and age and weariness.

The other topic of discussion: just who the hell is "R.A.B."? I have one guess which was also very popular on the forums. I re-read the 5th book prior to the 6th one coming out, and when I saw "RAB," I went back to the 5th book in a the Black family tree cuz that was my first guess: it was a Black. And then Sirius mentioned his brother, Regulus Black, who was in league with ol' Voldy and died 15 years ago (according to the 5th book). There was also a mysterious locket no one could open found in the Black house when they were cleaning it up. It leads me to the believe that it fits because it could be....
Regulus A. Black (I tried to fight the A in but there was no mention of Black's father, I'm gonna look back on this soon too though during my daily nighttime reading :P).
Remember, Regulus was killed because of getting too close to turning against Voldy. It is very possible that he took the real locket, destroyed it, and then replaced the locket or that he took the locket but didn't get a chance to destroy it. Whatever it may be, we'll just have to wait and see....

And last but not least, the Horcruxes.
1) Black Ring (Destroyed by DD, THBP)
2) Journal (Destroyed by Harry, CoS)
3) Nagini (Still there)
4) Locket (Status unknown)
5) Unkown (Possibly Gryffindor/Ravenclaw)
6) Same as above
7) Voldemort (Yay I said it! :P)
Any guesses in the two that we don't know of? Remember, Rowling probably won't mention something unless it is important (such as Regulus, and he may be very important), so think about objects in the previous books as I'm thinking of right now :lol: One person on the HP forums (Warner Bro's HP Forums) thought that Harry himself might be a Horcrux, though this is unlikely in my opinion because in that case Voldy would have no reason for wanting to kill Harry. Some guessed that Harry might be the person Voldy needs to kill to make his final Horcrux, as he might have been hoping on the night he failed and gave Harry the scare, so only 6 Horcruxes exist (or existed) and there is one still to be made upon Harry's death. Good guess, in my opinion.

READ AT YOUR OWN RISK

Well I finally finished the sixth book last night. Not because I'm a slow reader but because I honestly wasn't into the book. I didn't care much. Heh.

Anyway I was less than impressed with the book. Rowling's writing style has finally gotten to me...sure the content of the books has become more adult but the way she writes it still makes it childish and...annoying. This book was a bunch of filler with a little bit of a fight at the end. An ending fight that had even less punch than the ending fight of book five. Which is saying a lot.

As to Dumbledores death...pfffft. If you didn't see that coming at the very beginning of the book (hell before the book even came out for that matter) then..well....yeah. His hand was the first dead giveaway.

To be honest I was not blown away by his death. I was not saddened by it...only the funeral scene made me feel any real feeling towards it. But then again I've never really cared for Dumbledore. *shrugs* His death was inevitable and expected. The way he died was anti-climatic and very...obvious.

Which brings me to another thing.

Snape. *shakes her head* I honestly don't understand how anyone can believe he's with the Death Eaters still. Honestly. It's so damn obvious that Rowling is trying to make us believe he's evil and such but she pulls it off really badly. Reading the last part of the book I just couldn't help but snort and roll my eyes.

Maybe it's because I've read too many books...maybe it's because I've seen too much anime...but Snapes true objective is so obvious to me that it's painful. And to see others believe that he's evil just boggles me. How much more obvious can you be when Dumbledore is pleading with Snape to kill him. Not pleading because he wants Snape to help him (he was dying already anyway), but because he wanted to be further sure that Voldemort would trust him by ending his life. I mean..come on...how else would be a sure way to convince even the most unsure Death Eaters that Snape was with them than by being the hand that killed Dumbledore? I mean...Dumbledore knew of Malfoy's attempts to kill him...and he got the tip-off from Snape. He told Dumbledore of Voldemorts plan as soon as he heard it. Which made making the Unbreakable Vow easy to make because Dumbledore and Snape had already agreed that Snape must be the one to kill him.

It's all so obvious that it's annoying.

Now to Malfoy.

*huggles him* Another character who's actions are extremely...predictable. But I loved him in this book even more. I already liked Malfoy...but...I don't know. Seeing him cry...knowing that he's unable to kill....aaaah....*nods* Poor Malfoy...I actually feel sorry for him....I truly do. Snape'll take care of him I hope...he certainly could use it.

Now to the most annoying part...the damn relationships and character inconsistancies. Gaaaaaaaaaaaah!

What the **** with Ginny and Harry? Honestly...where the hell did it come from?! I can see Ginny yes...but Harry? He has felt NO feelings towards her before and then suddenly POOF he has a huge crush on her. What the hell? That annoyed the crap out of me. Gods...I mean it was sweet...but...*shakes head* It was so pointless and stupid.

Not to mention Harry's character in the fifth book was Mr. Angst and suddenly the sixth book comes around and he's a perfectly normal sixteen year old. I don't understand...it's inconsistant and annoying. Gaaah....

Oh...and I actually approve of Ron and Hermione...gods...took them long enough...

I don't know.

And I've still more! Bwahaha...

Rowling is an ******* and very very wiley. Lesse...the Harry Potter series is supposed to be about (get this) Harry's seven years at Hogwarts. Uhm...okay so he's not going back the seventh year. So...how can this be about Harry's seven years at Hogwarts?

Very intelligent and crafty of Rowling. Why? Because she is now free to write more than seven books. And she'll need to if she wants to end the series with any sort of decent conclusion. We have much to do before the end...find the Horcruxes, deal with the Death Eaters, and deal with Voldemort himself.

Either this book will have to be uber thick or she's writing more than seven books.

That are Dumbledore left aaaall his findings for Harry to take care of everything. *snorts* And even then it still wouldn't matter...because getting to each Horcruxe will be hell in of itself.

*shakes head*

Rowling has either written herself into a corner or she's planning to write more books. Hell for all I know in the seventh book Harry dies and therefore she'll fulfill her promise about writing about Harry. But then perhaps she'll write instead about Ron and Hermione and the others and them finding the Horcruxes and taking on Voldemort...

Soo....yeah...

I probably have more to ramble on about this book but...eh. I'm hungry and I have other things to do.

All in all it wasn't a horrible book but it wasn't a great book either. It could have been written far better than it was and....yeah. *shrugs*

So yeah. Heh...

This is what I wrote in my journal. Feel free to discuss and complain and such.

Ah boy, more to talk about!


I really have nothing much to say about DD and Snape. I agree with you (my previous post, if you'll notice, was not a strong post about my opinions but rather pointing out some stuff that I noted on the Warner Bros. HP forums) that DD's death was inevitable and Snape is still not a true Death Eater.

Now, the relationships. Ron and Lavender was just funny as SkyD said. Ron and Hermione is very likely to develop. Harry and Ginny was as much a surprise as it wasn't. We know from SS and CoS that Ginny had some feelings toward Harry. It was a complete shock that Harry actually opened up the Ginny in this book (atleast it was so to me). Maybe he didn't really give a rip about Cho but just had a "school-boy crush" on her (which, as they mostly turn out, dies). It is very likely that since neither Harry nor Ginny opened up their feeling for one another that they didn't advance on each other until just now.

But remember, all the relationships aren't corny in this book (though they seem to be).... Don't forget DD's words about love being more powerful than magic and that they must stand together to defeat the evil .... (:: bursts out laughing ::)

I doubt Rowling will want to write more than 7 books...people will eventually lose interest and give up on them. Those few hardcore HP fanatics will be the only ones reading, and I'm not one of them.

Er... most of them are. The whole Spiderman deal with Harry and Ginny at the end had to take the cake though. I almost lost my lunch when I read that trite piece of crap.

I agree with both of you about Snape. It's DREADFULLY obvious that Rowling was setting it up to make him look like the bad guy. It's so one sided that she cannot have any other purpose but to make him switch back to good in the end. Anyone else notice how Snape didn't say anything to Dumbledore before blasting his pasty arse? Doesn't that seem a little odd? Snape goes out of his way to gloat/demoralize whomever he can. He didn't do this with Dumbledore. Instead, Dumbledore BEGS Snape to kill him (knowing that it would be hard for Snape to do).

I'm hoping for more Negini in the next book. She is by far the best character in the whole series.

"ERECTUCUS PENUSLUS!"

Well I mean they aren't corny in the sense that they have some importance...shoulda clarified that.

Well, didn't know so many people wouldn't like it. On the bright side, it did say that Slughorn ejaculated, which was amusing.

Spoiler-free post....


Hehe I actually laughed at that too, and they had something about Ron ejaculating in one of the earlier books, CoS or PoA I think. But you know that word has a different meaning based on its context :\

*Pervert :P*


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Oh and by the way, I see a lot of people disliking this book.... I have a guess to that that just popped into my mind because I remembered something.

I just read The Catcher in the Rye this previous school year. A lot of my friends liked the book whereas I considered it a huge waste of time. I asked them why they liked it, and all of the people said that it was because they could relate to him. I could not. Maybe this is the situation with some of the people here who dislike the HP book. Maybe you can't relate with Harry on an emotional level that would tighten your interest in this book. I can relate to Harry at an emotional level, which obviously means that it is easier to enjoy the book. Now I don't mean I've had parents who died when I was a baby (....:lol:....) but some of the emotions he feels (loss, loneliness) I feel as well. Heh I remember in The Catcher it was all about Holden being lonely as hell but I still couldn't relate to him cuz he was just a plain @$$ in my opinion.

You just killed at least twenty kittens by comparing Catcher in the Rye (read: literature) to Harry Potter. The twins do not approve of this! :angry:

LMAO! I am not comparing them to each other, I'm just comparing the reason why I like/dislike them. Catcher's definetly a more lasting piece than Harry Potter.

Classic literature, pop fiction, same difference.

Bringing up the entire "Snape" issue, I read a fascinating piece this morning comparing two opposite points of view as to what he did at the end of HBP:
1: SNAPE HAS SOLD OUT TO VOLDEMORT: Ignoring Dumbledore's pleas, Snape kills Dumbledore. Once a Death Eater, always a Death Eater, after all, and that half-blood lying Muggle-and-Mudblood-hater is no difference, obsessed with the Dark Arts as he is.
I think it seems too obvious, Rowling is more subtle than that.

2: SNAPE HAS NOT SOLD OUT TO VOLDEMORT: Dumbledore's pleas were not pleas to save his life, as Dumbledore is one of the most powerful wizards alive, and would never beg like that, but rather, pleas to Snape, telling him to do what he must, and continue the Order's work, from within...That, and Dumbledore would of course have known about the Unbreakable Vow, and did not want Snape, their only spy inside Voldemort's organization, to die.
This one appeals to me more, and is also supported by the apparently insignificant detail that follows: Even as they fought, Snape reminded Harry to remember Occlumency and nonverbal incantations, which would help him during a Duel - thoguh that could've been Snape just taunting him, the slimy git...

I fully agree with you, Sky, on the issue of Snape killing Dumbledore cuz he had to. I forgot to bring this point up when I made that first big post I made.

And another thing I want to bring up...will Hogwart remain open? Will Harry go back? I know he said he won't, but we all know how much he loves the school.... However, I do believe that Harry will not go back to school because of his new resolve. At any rate, I have nothing more to contribute to this thread at the moment....

I finished reading the book 2 days ago, I am a fan of the series and I did like it.

However, I have nothing else to say.. everything I can think of to discuss has all been brought up and talked about here already.. no point really.