*Prepares mystical admin-power imbued shield which can block and counter-attack all attacks*

Hear me out first, Kaigeta has offered to graciously host ZE on his servers, and using Invision Power Board v2.0

I know that a lot, if not most, of you people are against moving but in my opinion, not much has happened on this ZE since it was started. Sure, we have a few discussions going, but when I look at the board in the morning, and come back later that afternoon, hardly anything has happened. Same thing with night and morning.

IPB v2.0 has many cool features which I'm itching to try out too, such as easier skin usage and mulitple skins that users can choose from (well, v1.3 had that too, but it was never really used by DT).

I know that I will probably recieve many no votes, but in my opinion this move would be for the better. Kai's servers seem to be pretty stable, once in a while you will encounter downtime, but the same thing can be said here. Sure, we'll lose all current threads, but those could be copied and posted into the new board (wouldn't get back your post counts though, but I swear I should make a rule that you get a three day ban if you complain about them. Maybe v2.0 let's you disable them)

Dispite what people say, I'll probably just move anyways. I'll give this until tommorow at noon my time. Kai's making the boards right now though, so I want to hurry up.

Forget it...

Well, honestly guys. Ever since I came to ZE I have seen it go through tough times. Boards dropped, servers crached, etc. With my hosting, I can assure you all that you will not get the dissapointment you normally get, and this will be ZE Forums perminent home. I will not drop you, I will not delete things. The RC2 of 2.0.0 (invision Power Board) has been released, I will install this on that forum and get you guys started on a clean slate. Remember, I aim for this to be ZE forums final resting place, so you all can enjoy.

In the meantime, I will also be advertising the forum through various methods and looking for different ways to improve it. I can assure you all, ZE will be a better place.

I voted yes because not many people are posting and not much has happened. So, why not.

One question, I dont have to write anyother RGP appcation right? I hated the waiting.

It would be just like this reset, a thread for returning members to post in.

NOOO!!!! *SOBS* I JUST POSTED A NEW TOPIC TONIGHT!!!! *SOB* OMG What on Zi makes you think traffic will pick up if we move again?! We'll just have to restart everything. AGAIN!! The general threads: Zoids collection, random pairings, descendant theory, birthdays, introduction, favorite characters. Nothing will CHANGE. We'll only have to restart everything, reponder everything, and auuuughhhh.

Yes, I'll be pissy about this. But I suppose if we move I will follow like the little grey sheep I am.

I am also just VERY WARY of moving to a server that is hosted by a friend out of the kindness of their heart without us paying for it. Everytime I've had a friend host a site like that it has NOT lasted even a YEAR. Not once! Same when we were on DT's server. It didn't last a YEAR.

I'm hoping my O'Connell shrine lasts that long but...

Dang, I'm so freakin' tired of moving.

I'm not mad at anyone, I'm just annoyed at this topic.

I'd say no, stay here. Simply put, I don't care all that much about features and all..., I just want a forum that is stable. Moving is not stable.

The good thing about being on a free Invision server afaik is that there are people who are paid to take care of it, it is their job. If something happens, people can work on it almost immediatly, if not right then and there.

If someone else is hosting it, they have a life and other concerns. If something goes wrong, who knows how long it would take for them to get it fixed. And I mean no offence to Kaigeta, but stuff like this has happened on other forums and such.

Please tell me I didn't just read this.

Meh, I did. Looks same on different resolutions.

Well, do whatever you'd like then.

Just trying to help. Thanks. Why would I waste my bandwidth and space on somthing I didn't care about. Why would I waste my time installing a forum on somthing I would ditch. I am trying to help, nothing more, nothing less, if you can't see past your "I don't trust anyone" attitude, then let me prove it to you.

I m not DT, I am not someone who would do somthing then abandon it. Steel also has acess to my server, and I will have other people watching the forum as I go. You may all think this is some last minute thing i cooked up,but i have had a lot of thought put into this and I feel I can help.

It's funny, I first started spazzing out of jest and then I realised... I really didn't like the idea..

We've barely been here a month.

We're not getting new people because the link on Duowolf's page does not connect to this board.

And, Kai, I would VERY much love to trust you. But... having two VERY NICE friends host my sites, and then... to have to move them again... it just seems so pointless to me. I still love my friends, but, like Colodie said, I feel better being on a free board that has technical support, or knowing that we're paying for the service. Because otherwise whose loss is it if the board dies again?

I guess I'm rather skeptical.

I don't mean stability in terms of the new server. I mean that everything will have to start all over again as JammerLea mentioned.

I'm relatively new here and haven't been through some of the earlier stuff, and I'm tired of moving...

I voted no... even though as I read it doesnt matter. I dont see what all of you are complaining about. The boreds are running fine. And you dont want an over abundance of people. Thats when a bunch of spammers come, newbs posting in wrong spots and such. I say we just stay here. Nothing is going wrong here. Why change something that has no need for change...

Forget it, the power of the people i stoo great! Heh

Now I feel bad. x__o

Sixth incarnations is just so much to me.

D=

*sulks in a corner*

*comes back online, ears twitch* *holds up 'no' sign, ala Wile. E. Coyote* =.=;

C'mon, we're functioning here, are we not? I agree with ... everything Jammer says. *points at Jammer, nods a lot*

[edit] Don't feel bad, Jammer .. o_O seriously, this board's been traumatized enough! It doesn't need to volunteer for more >_>;

Well, if this is the case... I am sorry to say, but I am officially leaving ZE then.. I have no intention of staying if this will occur... The boards were finally getting back to normal, now we have to start over AGAIN?!?!? I see NO logic in us moving. I am sorry, but I feel this just isn't worth it. I had become a member of 3 other RPG and was planning on moving, but I decided to stay because I like everyone here so much and the board is finally back to what it was when I first came here, minus a few members and minus all the spam.. But this, no... I have no intention of staying if this board moves AGAIN. I have no intention of staying at the other RPGs either, so I guess this is the end of me in ZOid RPGs then... I hope all of you take care and I am sorry you have to deal with another move... This will be my final post.. That emans all my current battles were a bloody waste of my time.. Thats just freakin great.. Goodbye ZE....


EDIT:::: Oh, I just noticed the "I will probubly leave despite what people say" deal.. Yeah, that only sealed the deal in me leaving... Thats just uncalled for and immature.. Why the HECK are you even BOTHERING to make this topic for?? Why is there a dang poll if you are just going to switch anyways.. You no what, the heck with this... I am SICK of this crap... Thats just rediculas and wrong. You give us a glimmer of hope, maybe we WON'T move, but then you say this?!?!?! Thats enough... I have HAD IT!!! I am gone, regardless of wether you switch or not... Thats just TOO dang childish of behaivor for me to take.. I am 21 years old and I think the mebers of this board deserve more respect than that. I don't need to visit a board where a 15 year old tells me stuff like this and I have no say in anything that happens... Unless someone can convince me to stay if we don't move.... GOOD BYE!!!!

If you wish to find me.. I made a new Zoid RPG/Forum that all of you can gladly join... it's at.. http://s4.invisionfree.com/Zoids_Legacy_RP...dex.php?act=idx I hope all of you can join... Lycan

Well, I voted "Meh", because I know this board ups and moves every month or so anyway. It's why it took me so long to find it again. Whichever you feel is best for the site.

I'm sick of this. I voted 'NO' in a very major way to the board-move poll on the original ZE, and I'm doing it again now. I don't care what you stay about servers and stability, the best thing for stability is STAYING IN THE ONE PLACE.

And although Lycan's grammar and spelling usually annoys me no end, for once I agree with her on that "probably moving despite poll outcomes" thing. For goodness' sake, America is supposed to be the home of democracy and all! You're worried about not having any new members? You can start by LISTENING to the members you have instead of doing what suits you. The rest of them might not be mods or admins, but if you think that means you can do whatever you like to the boards without their considerations, we're going to find ourselves with a very small, very cranky membership.

Well said. Well said.

100% accurate.

Moving = Bad Thing.


Have the original proponents of the moving decision voted in the poll?
If so, that would explain for votes in favor that have no accompanying posts.

I was also against the moving of the original proboards and my opinion hasn't changed. I don't like moving, it's becoming a bit of a joke to be honest. I'm beginning to not care anymore, although I did vote 'NO'.

I presume that this would be an automatic admin spot for Kai? Seems very similar to the situation we had with Vanzero..

DT did not aim for his hosting to end like it did, it was just how it ended up. "Not being like him" has nothing to do with it, you don't know what will happen. You can't 100% guaranteed that you will never accidentally delete the forums or be hacked. At least on Invisionfree we are guaranteed that we will have a stable server, even if we are lacking some features.

Colodie and Jammer *edit* and Rocke pretty much summed up what I have to say...yeah, we don't have as many features, but barring something like what happened on Proboards (heaven forbid), this place is more stable because it's on servers dedicated toward it with lots of people, and all. If it's just one person, sure, they're dedicated towards it, but unless the server's pretty much in their basement and they set it up themselves, it might be harder for them to fix things.

And yeah...resterting just means starting all the traditional threads over. Even popular boards/forums like Pheno's and ZoidFans are slower right now-the lack of news on the Zoids front (no new anime, no real *new* designs or rereleases, just recolors, games still not out) might have something to do with it, since most other things have been covered. People tend to start topics when they have something new to say...less new stuff = fewer new topics.

But if you're just going to move anyway...why start a poll!?

Not to mention the possibility that Invision Free will update their board system to v2.0 (modded for their system of course) once v2.0 Final is out.

So.. You're against the move Steel? *Curious*

Seems to me that most mods arn't liking the idea of not moving.Okay,my turn.

If I say no,the reason would pretty much said already.Most people feel that having ZE move so many times won't to good,I feel that way a little too.We do have the basic features that are able to substain us,and Invisionfree is stable,like what Cap said earlier.So no in this case.

However,on the flipside.If you seriously think that the moving of the site would be better for the board.So go ahead,we can't stop you,right? Kai,I really should commend you,offering to host ZE.Really,even though most of us do not know you that well..

So,I'm stuck between choices again.Not going to say anything more.Stay here or move,up to you...

*sigh* Just forget it.

I don't know what I was thinking, the fact that it was 9:30 at night might have made me, stupid, to say the least.

ZE is just so stressful. Lately, my life has revolved solely around it and I barely have time for anything else. It's driving my crazy, to the point where I make crazy decisions. I just can't stand it anymore.

I'll save more of that for later, but for now, forget it.

And Lycan, and anyone else who's leaving becasue of this, I'm sorry, I mean it. I don't know what I was thinking. I should have realized long ago, I'm not meant to be an Admin, it's not who I am.

Well, is there any admin-y type stuff that can be dealt with by the mods? I know on Proboards we could let people into the RPG and stuff like that...

Stress is not good x_X.

It was all of these moves that caused me to hang around here less often. I found it pointless for me to post because I felt like I wasted my time on ZE whenever ZE encounters with a sudden blackout which will either be a hacking practice or an accidental reset... Its just I don't give a damn no more unlike I used to be back 6 months ago.

*holds up a sign*
Hell no we wont go.
Hell no we wont go.
etc etc...

Well unless you can copy the current database over to the new server, then it would be a matter of changing the url to get here...

If we were going to move tho, this should have come up earlier.

~Actually reads this page~

Holy crap Zel, you're resigning? O.o. Screw this then... Whats the point of hanging around if our own leader can't take it? Zel, you got steel, have him do stuff for yah.

Hey... Hatch, I read that post, and as far as I can tell, he ain't resigning. If he was, he would of done it officially over in the Admin/Mods forum.

That was supposed to be a period, not a comma, keep your pants on. I can guarentee that i will not "Accidentily delete forums" because its simple. Do not push delete, and keep all the tables in tact.

Invisionfree does not guarentee that. I remember about half a year to a year ago the entire network went down and everyone had to start over.

And I quote

Source? http://s2.invisionfree.com/Pokemon_Wild/

Eh, it doesn't really matter anyway, but don't make some sort of personal attack on me, or think that invisionfree is fool-proof.

It was juts a freindly offer on my part. Ramirez was making the final decision. So getting bent out of shape at me is pointless, and childish. I'm sorry to all of ZE for trying to help. Teh.

I'm not bent out of shape, I just really don't want to move. *shrugs*.

Nothing's foolproof, I know. Backups are my friends. I just wish I could back up more of what I have on this compy...*needs CD burner or something*

All of my files are backed up on a RAID drive line. And also stored at my fathers work. Invisionfree has backups of forums, not user accounts and topics.

But like i said, it doesn't matter.

*Poke*

1) I did not host the forums just to become admin, I was trying to be nice. I'm not a power hungry idiot like most of the other people out there.
2) No, I did not want the hosting to end up like it did, but it did. People were getting bad and flittery towards me, and I was not going to stand it. It ended up being steel's decision to move.
3) If you'll notice, I only actually started acting my part as admin once Duowolf left the forums. If she was still there, I would just be acting like a normal member. I also had to create an admin account, and that happened to be mine.

(And don't you dare be dissing my servers. They're upgraded now, and they all have a terrabyte of space, and I do actually make regular backups of the stuff now. FYI: I host steel and greywolf on my servers as well, and I don't believe that they've had any major problems.)

Eh...well at least this "crisis" has been avoided. It's not something to beat ourselves up over...nor is it something to be terminally p*ssed off about.

Kaigeta...things are stable here...I don't think we'll be needing any moving here for a little while.

:blink: So.... :blink: yeh...XD

DT does have a point(s), his servers are pretty reliable and I have had no real problems (if any).

He has even told me that he would host ZE Forums again if the members wanted it. (I had got permission from him to say that)

Anyway, if things continue like this in the topic, I'll probably end up locking it. I mean, the decision has been made, and nothing is going to change according to Zelos.

So everyone, please calm down!

*bites tongue horribly.*

I agree with Steel. This is over with. No use spazzing now. Nothing happened. No one's at fault. If a time eventually comes when we feel or need to move, then so be it. But for now, let's get back to business.

Wow. Illidan and I agreed on something. This should go on the calendar.

Seriously? If you're having trouble taking care of ZE, ask some of us for help. Personally, as a mod, I don't really do much, but I'd be more than happy to take on extra responsibilities if required. I don't know what the other moderators think, but I don't think we're as effective as we could be.

Agreed. As mods we are here to help. There's bound to be a few of us who could make a difference if given the chance.

A line from DBZ: Budokai 2:

"Wah wah, stop crying, ya loser."

I think that sums up this thread pretty nicely.

If people really did love this forum, they wouldn't have cared if the boards moved to another server. I go to boards that crashed at least 3 times already (not ZE), and I still go there because it's a great board. A move or a crash isn't going to make me think that the board sucks or whatever. It happens. Get over it.

That said, I don't care if the board moves or stays. Whatever happens, I'll still come back to annoy you guys.

Gee.. did this all happen overnight? I missed a big descision, people spazzing out... and then we all changed our minds and it never happened?

Damn school...

Oh well. since nothing new is going on anymore.. yeah, see ya around.