A terrible tradegy happened, everyone please donate something...try to help out as much as you can! Donate clothes, money, your time, whatever! help out the surviors, I hope the victims will also rest in peace just as the ones for 9/11.

Donate here

Heres something I dontated to, I actually bought 3 http://www.bungiestore.com/productcart/pc/...p?idproduct=322

Its a Halo fight the flood T-shirt, the money goes the people affected by Hurricane Katrina.

One thing troubles me bout this, why did they refuse aid from Russia and some other countries?

^that is absolutely cool...and it's official too! Wow I want one! Great way to donate and show it...well mostly the T-shirt....

They refused aid from some countries? Where did you hear that?

Its been on the news alot, they even refused a new kind of water purifier from Poland. Like Poland had it already and it was on a plane, but the US government said no.

Oh and everyone get an asskicking T-shirt, the money's going to a good thing.

:huh: Yea, that huricain waz very a sad thing...Many people died exspecialy my fellow black people.....Yea this government took too long from what I herd and seen on the internet...I should see if I got family down there...You just never know... :huh:

They refused aid? I hadn't heard about that either...

Sadly the relief efforts for Katrina haven't been very well organized. The government messed up, but there's just no time to sit around and point fingers.

My roommate says for one of her classes they're going to help out some refugees who come up here. I think I'll get more info with her and help with that. I don't have any money to donate, but I want to do something.

My Cafe du Monde mug is now extra special to me. I just can't get over that surreal feeling from having been there...

Maybe its because Im in Canada, porbably CNN and stuff isnt talking about that so people wont get pissed off.

Heres a story bout the refusal of aid from Cuba http://www.sptimes.com/2005/09/11/Worldand...aks_rank_.shtml

Refused aid from Germany
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L10340393.htm

Refused aid from the Red cross at the begining, I say begining because its a old story.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/articl...le.html?id=8133

This talks bout how they at first refused all aid
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_24919.shtml

My boss at the Renn faire started a fund. One of the booths she owns sells hair tresses so she made a bunch of mini tresses w/ Mardi Gras colors and all the money from that goes towards donations to help the victims.

...so if any of you unlikely happen to be at the NYRF, you should buy some. ^^

:huh: DMN...Didn't know it was that bad....Well, I did donate some money from my school , but I dout that would mean anything to them...Many people died, and with that damadge money can't do anything to the desise familys...

It was a category 4 hurricane for hell's sake.

:huh: HAY, I thought it was 5... And by meaning that I ment I didn't know the goverment's actions were that bad...

It became one, but when it hit land it was a category 4.

:huh: ohhh, ok...At least it turned to a 4 . It was preity bad though ... :huh:

I think the US refusing aid from cuba was very insulting, I mean yea they want to ignore cuba and don't like cuba very much, but I mean of all countries to send aid! Cuba isn't exactly on the best terms with the US, and their country isn't in the best shape either...but I mean that was a really nice thing to do...

Well seems like for most of the stories, they couldn't distribute aid because they didn't have US clearance...but oh well...eventually it went though...

@Fury OD yep, imagine what would've happened if it was a 5..*shudder* I know you're not a great speller, and neither am I but why do you always use hay instead of hey...

:lol: HAY....HAY....Hey..now I get it.... ;) Hey what would hapen if Cuba did send in all those doctors??? You know, a thought did slip my mind.maby spies whould be sent over as well,not that I don't trust,them , which I do, but its just a silly thought... ;)

Actually not very silly...cuba isn't on the best terms with the US *cough*communist*cough*...though I imagine the spies would have a hard time...I don't know about the quality of the doctors..I'm a bit skeptical on that...they're not exactly well..the most medically advanced...but the thought is what counts right? (yea right)

Communism had good intention, its just that capitalism shut it down.

Actually, the doctors were extremly well train, they werent train in Cuba, but train all over the world then came back to Cuba.

This pissed me off alot when I hear it, supposibly people heard explosion the day after the hurrican hit. They say at first they said that they thought it was just flares for help of something, but the next day the leveys broke. So, they concluded that someone had planted explosives. Bush was right(OMG the worlds going to end) at first it wasnt as bad, but after the leveys broke thats when it got really bad.

I really don't understand why people live in a city shaped like a bowl, below sea level, right off the ocean, or live in tornado alley in a rickety trailer home, or on the bass of a volcano, or on a faultline, or in Florida where hurricanes hit 6 times a year or so, or in Texas....

To me, that screams idiocy, ignorance, and most of all... lack of common sense. But whatever.... Sad to hear all those people died, but in reality, if they ALL survived, more money would have to pay for them to survive... Money the goverment, and insurance agencies are finding difficulty giving up... I personally feel its natural selection. I don't have much sympathy. Death is death, a part of life.

I feel sorry for the animals most, as they didn't even choose to live thereto begin with, and upon that, they are second to be saved. They die a pointless death, because the rescue would rather save the fatally injured, no chance of living people, than a healthy dog or cat. Especially when it costs far less to house and feed the pet, than medically treat the many people who were going to die, no matter what happens to them in a hospital.

But thats just me, no need for any of you to waste breath commenting on my opinion, as its just that. I find it easier to enjoy life when I don't remorse over the deaths of people I don't know. Less reasons to feel depressed about this world and the events that happen upon it that don't even effect me directly.//

Isn't that a little harsh?

To begin with, people choose to live where they like to be. People that lived in Orleans liked to be there, so they lived there. They might've even had jobs that paid better. If you had to choose between living in a nice, peaceful residence in a suburban area with a job paying $50,000 and a nice peaceful residence in another area (i.e. New Orleans) paying $60,000, which one would it be?

That's my first point: not all people lived there because they wanted to, but because they had no better choice. I do have one point I make later on that will relate to this....

Aren't humans, after all, animals? As for the pets...I am sorry to say that there are plenty more of those where they came from, and they all have small life spans (except some dogs which just don't want to friggin d13!)

LoL...I'm defying your request just because I'm at school and have nothing better to do....

I don't remorse over the death of those in Orleans, but I don't say that it was their fault for living there and choosing not to leave. Some did not have common sense. A good majority of the people that stayed behind did not have the resources to evacuate. Such factors you should consider before jumping to conclusions that those people are unwise and lack common sense.

If you don't understand why they live there, don't think about it. Just accept the fact that people have to live somewhere where they can provide for themselves and their families.

By the way, I d0nat3d :D

Yeah I work at Publix, and so I can directly donate when I make a purchase.... I'm proud of myself xD

Are you going to pay for all those people to pack up and move? Find them a place to live, a job? A lot of the time, people live places like that because they have nowhere else to go. Look at all the poorer neighborhoods that were hit. You think those people have the money to just relocate?

Speaking as someone who would rather be somewhere else and can't afford it (though I won't deny I'm well off here, I have my reasons), it doesn't work that way.

I honestly don't know what to think, other than the hatred being flung around depresses me more than the death...people saying it was victims' fault for being poor/stupid/gay (yes, I have seen this)/in the wrong place at the wrong time and that they deserved to die, and the looting. Food, water, that's one thing...but the people stealing crap, shooting at rescuers...why!?

On the other hand, you get the people dropping everything to help, raising money to give to online friends who lost their houses...there's good people out there too, far more than bad.

Simplistic response from me as I am lazy... The deaths resulting from Katrina, was a course of nature. They died by natures hand, simple as that. I won't feel bad for a natural disaster.

I said was sad for the animals, as they were stuck in houses, they can't open doors. Humans can and thus can at least have some form of a fighting chance to escape at least their death trap homes as the water rose.

This doesn't really matter to me. Natures way, thats all. You guys don't seem to be donating to the funds to cure cancer, which kills a person every 15 seconds or less. Every 15 seconds each day... YOu know, they said it will lower to every 10, and then 5 seconds by 2007 because of all the people doing more and more things that cause cancer. As well the more exposure as people make more harmful products.

I don't see anyone making a cancer memorial. Cancer is not a natural form of death. It is caused by something on did, was exposed to, ate, used, ect. I prefer to focus on that.

So much for simplistic.... I need a cigarette. Waking up at 3 pm means I missed many hours of possible smoking time. (Yes I know cigs cause cancer, and I will no doubt develop it in my 40's, but I hardly care)

I'm not evil by the way. Evil is getting off on the idea 100,000 bodies have been found so far supposedly... I'm just illconcerned due to my own personal beliefs... Just like those (laughable) beliefs that some god had a reason to kill all those innocent people. We all just have a conflict of opinion, but opinions are not but that, and are ment to be conflicted, otherwise, no one would ever find truth. :D

:blink: that was very deep....no other coment... :huh:

I agree with you there on the nature thing. That's what I said to several people I know as well. They agree with me.

It is quite natural actually. It is so biological, in fact, that it is nature. I know because I did a whole like 15 page research paper on DNA, and the cause of cancer is a mutation in DNA. The mutation in DNA can be triggered by many things, and if the mutation is allowed by your body cells and that mutated cell reproduces by mitosis several times, it will lead to a tumor (I worded that very briefly, so don't say that I wasn't being specific....I'm trying to just get to the point). And if it continues to grow, it will become cancerous, malignant, etc.

Now, the cause of that mutation is from something someone takes in. If you are constantly exposed to pollution, smoke, etc., it'll cause that mutation to happen and go unnoticed by your body and develop into lung cancer.

Why people paid attention more to Katrina was because it was a one time event (my dad explained something very eerily logical about the astrological signs tha caused this to happen, and I for one think what he said had very strong reason in it to accept it as true). You don't get Katrinas every 15 seconds. You get Katrinas every 15 years. That's why people are helping toward Katrina.

Now, Lycan, you can't say no one cares for a cure to cancer. There are still millions of people who have donated to and continue to donate for a cure to cancer.

I personally think that it was a natural disaster, so what? It happens. But what people are more concerned about is that the US did not have the resources to actually do something to prevent this disaster from affecting so many people. Others just care about what happened, and I am not one of them. I am one of those who donates for the cause of rebuilding the damage, not because I care about what happened to some people. By the way I donated to Habitat For Humanity, which helps in thsoe repairs. The Red Cross donation I made was for providing supplies to those who actually had nowhere to go, and I do sympathize for them because the government should have had resources to help them.

Lycan, I don't think you're evil by saying what you said in this thread, but you are merely being a bit too cynical of the situation. I don't care, though, because there will be a spectrum of views everywhere, and there is nothing that anyone can do about it.

The whole pet thing, though, is one I think youa re being quite cynical about. Just as the poor animals had nowhere to go, there were hundreds (if not thousands) of people who nowhere to go. Hopefully, you considered that.

There is a reasonable explaination, and if the US does not rebuild New orleans the economey is doomed...a large portion of our imports/exports go though New Orleans, in fact the operation is so large that the operation would not be sustainable if the city with its residents are there. Works who work the at the dock/ship related need a place to live, eat and thrive, a city is what answers it. New Orleans is a very important city, unforantly it was yes in a huge bowl shaped landform[s]. They're planning to leve it out..but it needs to be rebuilt.

What if New York City is dangerous because of the possibility of a another quite possible terriosts attack, should I just pack up and leave?

It's psycological, its that we care more if we were more able to see the damage, the damage by Katrina is plainly obvious, for cancer while we know about it we need to really research to find out about it and it happens over a period of time..not just a one time thing...there was something about the chances of a car accident occuring to you being bigger than occuring in a hot air ballon..but you worry more about it in a hor air ballon don't you?

lycan...please remember that many of the animals would've been worse off had they been out in the wild...

I never said the animals were better off in the wild... In either case, terrorism is not the same as a natural disaster. The terrorists kill for what? Religion. Another reason I despise such. Its not natures way to believe in religion. Its an opinion of someone, or a group. ANd terrorism is not, nor will it ever be natures way in any form.

New Orleans is destroyed. It would be easier to relocate the shipping/exports to a different location, then first fix, then rebuild New Orleans. Instead of starting with a fresh, sutable location, they must now get the water out, remove all the crap, dead bodies, grabage, ect... THEN try to rebuild. Its cost efficient to ust relocate, and quicker.

As for the people without homes... They can just wait. Billions of dollars are going towards them. They wil be fine till they can find new homes.

How the hell did that comment on terrorism get in here...? We neverhad a problem with that you know, it's just your view on certain things.

New Orleans is on the Mississippi. There is no other location developed enough to handle the tasks that Orleans does. This means that Orleans will be an important import/export area. Why not relocate? You'd have to start another thing from scratch. Developing harbors, an entire city, etc., from scratch is more time and labor intensive than restoring a city that has been devastated.

Hmm...quite harsh. Where will they wait for so long while they're waiting for "new homes?" Some shelters and stuff allow this, but they can't handle the people for a long period of time. They're onlyt emporary.

The point is, Lycan, you're being very pessimistic about this whole thing. You're expressing a very irrational and cynical pessimism to this whole thing when that is the last thing this situation needs.

Well New Orleans is very important...and frankly lycan I'm sure thousands at the least, including me was possible and a better alternative to rebuilding New Orleans. It's going to be rebuilt whether we like it or not...I believe they are going to level it off however...though I'm sure about that and the terriost thing was an example....it's scary because it's like a super army, one that isn't afraid to die, has no rules/boudries. There's no need for medical attention, they're endless , expendable, and worst..willing to die. There seems to be no end of them, we have few advantages which among them are our technologlical advances and better weapontry...

I'm not sure of billions but yes money is going toward them, but it cannot be a limitless supply, lycan do you see them on TV...there are hurt, dead and emotionally hurt. You and neither can I understand the pain they've experienced, but we can help...maybe if you were in their situation I doubt you'll be talking about it like this...they've just lost most of their possesions, have nowhere to live...and some are away from family and friends...

lycan not every thing has an easy solution...can I ask you something? Do you support the relief effort?