http://darkzoids.vze.com/

How many of you remember Dark Zoids? I remember putting all I had back into that web site way back in 2002 when I was new to web hosting and all of that. Look at what it is now. How many of you want Zoids Evolution to end up like that? I sure don't.

I saved a dying site from the graveyard, for a year maybe, and it just ended up there. Let's not let ZE end up there too.

Duowolf may not have the time to update ZE anymore, but we can. Can you imagine a brand new site, reborn from the ashes of the old ZE. These forums are the ashes right now. There's nothing left of the great empire that it once was.

What if we chose several great people to come together, and reunite the web site to what it ought to be? Dark Zoids took us a single week to build back up. There was a community of over five hundred active people on a huge forum system. That was a great accomplishment for a 12 year old (me) and a few other people.

My proposition, should everybody here choose to accept it, is to choose a person in the following category. Some may be more obvious than others, but it's all needed for it to come together.

Web Development Team
Head Forum Administrator
Web Hosting Director

With those three categories filled, we have the three leaders we need to keep Zoids Evolution up for years to come. I realize that several other people have proposed to take control of the site, but I don't think that such a great community should be owned by one person. Three people taking responsibility for a big community would be a much more stable idea.

I realize that I may have made mistakes in the past here, but I don't want another site to die like Dark Zoids. I would like to personally lead elections of these three new positions for ownership of Zoids Evolution. I feel that these three leaders, and the community, can put new breath into Zoids Evolution.

Thank you for your time, I just rembered Dark Zoids. It brings tears to my eyes to see what we worked so hard on three years ago, not even fully functional today. Please, ask any questions you want, but the only way this community is going to survive is if it comes together.

-Duero

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I thought a quote from me would be very applicable here.
"Where I have failed in the past, we can succeed in the future."
:)
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Here's the thing though....this has already been done...

You've been beaten to ZE's revival. :)

EDIT:

To add on to my point made in our AIM so everyone can see...

You won't get ANYWHERE if you simply revive the old content from the past. People won't come for content that already exists. There are a ton of Classic and Shin Sekki Slash Zero sites out there, we don't need another one. People want what's new, like Fuzors, Genesis, Saga, Full Metal Clash, Generations, all the stuff ZGO covers. Not to mention we're the ONLY source of those that is reliable. I double checked this too. No other sites exist.

Because of this, ZGO has been able to grow extremely rapidly. It's only been 2 months and look how many hits we have! We have unique content ranging from screencaps, Full Metal Clash coverage, Genesis episode summaries, preview news direct from the source, and so much more.

All you can offer Classic and Zero wise is what many of us already have.

Zoids have declined in the US and the way to keep it alive is to supply what Japan has to offer...there's only two largely known sites that do that now and ZGO is one of them. (Pheno's is the other.)

Seriously, what would do better? What would you want? The same old classic and Zero info or new fresh info???

shinseiki. </pedant mode>

I'm currently badly translating the INSANE amount of battle story info out there. There's so many misconceptions about it, including some of my own I'm slowly finding out about...the factions and their leaders have so much more to them than you'd think, and it's actually got some pretty developed characters for what amounts to random stuff on boxes, promo magazines, and related books. I suppose, in a way, it's new, since no one's bothered to poke it before...or type it up, in the case of the Japanese I'm working from (yay Armor Dreamland).

But it's true, there's a lot of general sites out there. I still would like to see ZE's content revived, for the sake of it being there to look back on, like Channel Zi.

A new site isn't a revival.

I'm not saying that ZE wouldn't have new content, but that wouldn't have to be the focus.

Zoids Evolution Forums were an empire. An empire that ended up being destroyed by mistakes, like all others. I will admit, a lot of the mistakes were made by me, as well as other admins and mods. The community thrived until mistakes happened, and they happened, but we let them affect us. At the peak of its power, ZE had around 1,000 members, increasing and decreasing daily as new members joined and old ones became inactive. ZE shouldn't die with 250 something members, and less than 50 of them active. With a solid site behind it, it would thrive again, not on new content alone, but on the heart of the community.

I'm not asking for sole power, or any at all. I just want to bring back something that once was great, and has the potential to become great again. If the community comes together, then I'm sure that Duowolf would let us have the domain name in order to bring ZE back to where it belongs.

I don't want it to end on an archive site, like DarkZoids did.

ZGO was going to be a substitute for ZE, and I was under the impression that it was eventually going to replace the ZE main site, but it's seemed to just branch off and do its own thing. It isn't what Zoids Evolution was, and I'd love to see the main site started again.

I was a little sceptical of the whole idea, but after talking to Duero about it on msn I think it's a good idea. Anything to try and revive ZE is good, and it's been made clear that Duero isn't looking for sole power, which is the biggest concern I had.

We can either do something about it or watch it slowly die.

Finally...it's back up...I recall it being shut down some time ago...my friends even used the wallpaper as his background...

I think...ZE's time has ended...and the zoids community time is declining...Zoids will probably never return to its peak of popuarity as it once was..I know I'm being depressing but I'm sure its true...

gaa Channnel Zi..*sigh* I remember that too..it wasn't updated too often before it died...(few yrs!) but it was a very big site like ZE..but it doesn't seem to exist anymore..they said it was because of a outage and the content wasn't backed up...

I miss the old days....

yeah. I'm only a relatively new member here, but even i can see your point Duero... I suppose that if you're offering then anyone who cares for this site and is willing to put in the hard work would have to be crazy to decline.

ZGO I think does a good job at it's intended use. A Zoids Genesis site. However it's not a zoids site....but yea somehow the issue went away..well not went away...but neither kagieta or fuz were really allowed to take over...we need someone to take it over.....everyone from the forum should all band together and do some kind of wiki thing at least..I mean zoidsevolution.com is just there...the stuff is lost...and well if everyone at least contributed their knowledge via wiki software (it's very useful mind you, I have used it before) at least in the time nobody has taken over then at least we're doing SOMETHING. And then whoever takes over can inherit the information everyone contributed....

Exactly how is ZGO not a Zoids site when it's the only place that posts what's new in zoids pertaining to anime, games, cards, and merchandise...

You're making NO sense at all...

Every anime series-centered community has a time of great activity and then finally it will slow down. Hopefully, it won't die.
I think it's silly to just give up on ZE. There are obviously people here who still care about it enough to want to revive it, so I support that idea.
Why should anyone look down on reviving a site? That's so counter-productive.

Truthfully, even if we manage to revive this board, it won't feel the same as before few years ago...

Good job, son for making a complete idiot of yourself. If you want to convey an idea, at least do it coherently and well structured.

It's a Zoids site with a focus, not a general one, like mine has a model and fanfic bias. Zoids Evolution was more general, though leaning toward the anime.

*sigh* exactly what Tilly said..what I mean is that ZGO is a Zoids Genesis is a Zoids Genesis site, it's not a general purpose zoids site...you obviouslly understood the point if you have the time to go and criticize and take it literally on purpose...

I see that Pheno got dropped from your post. I've been hearing about this "only place to offer new content" from you.

Basically this is what I'm getting, you want ZGO to swallow up ZE, or whatever is left of it, and so you are you so against the idea of the community all taking a part of rebuilding it because you want ZE yourself?

ZGO is a Zoids Genesis website, I won't deny that it's doing a good job in the Zoids Genesis, and maybe other zoids stuff too. But your focus is Zoids Genesis.

New content blah! It's like the yin and the yang, they coexist with each other, just as the information needs new content and as the new content needs the old. I may sound cryptic but what I'm saying is that so much of the old zoids information has been LOST.

It's been a long time since I saw a good general zoids site. Why? Because it's mostly gone, although it's possible there may have been some I've missed for the most part, it's not here anymore.

Pheno is a zoids model directed site, ZGC is well...doing ZGC stuff...a general zoids site oriented mostly toward the anime is a rarity now...

I just looked at a dozen zoids sites, most have not been updated in yrs, and well many have closed...

ZGC is the alpha and omega. We even live without a parent site! If cars could run on gas as well as ZGC runs on spam then there'd be no need to be stealing oil from Iraq now! Ahhh, the power of spam B)

Yes I noticed, ZGC runs on Cheese topics...though it's a HUGE mystery to me how Königbreaker has so many posts, over double the posts of the next highest posting member...

I still don't understand the point of this topic. This was announced like months ago... and like Drkx said... it's already happening...

ZGO is a Zoid's site... and it's better than any other site I've seen with Genesis Info. From what I've heard, ZGO is also going to get Classic later, and the Zero series too.

@ZeroRaven: Do you even know why Zoid's popularity is declining? Nothing is that great right now that's like Zoids. Zoid's had it's shot, and now it is time for them to go back in the shadows. They will strike again in the future... you can garantee that much. Besides.. if you want more people here, just talk to your friends about Zoids... see if they are interested in it, and than get them to come here. The main site should be up though by now...... that's the only thing that troubles me.

@Drkx: Will ZGO eventually combine with ZE?

jump-ent is down right now... that troubles me. I'd personally love to see ZGO and ZE be partner sites. The problem now though is that ZGO has established itself AS ZGO. Fuzzy may have originally aimed to take over ZE, but in actuality he's gone beyond that. ZGO is its own.

This whole ordeal is just LATE. And rather frustrating. Duowolf comes by to say she's willing to let someone take over the domain... but hasn't been back since as far as I can tell. That's the big hurt here. Everyone's just waiting for her...

This is a really complicated subject...I can't say much until the final desicion is made with Duo...but she has the final go ahead...I presume you recall the topic with fuz and Kagieta over who will get ZE...I believe Kagieta has dropped out of the running...

*notices Jammer posted*

Well, I hope jump-ent doesn't stay down forever, machu mentioned he was going to talk to his host, but ZGO's goal, if it hasn't changed since I last checked was supposed to be a site for Zoids Genesis...

If both are to be put together, does that mean ZGO is going to put a less emphasis on Zoids Genesis?

You can go ahead and say, "oh they have the resources", nobody has unlimited resources, you have to have a main focus for the site. In order for the merge to be and fit the orginal goals of ZE, ZGO WILL have to change.

ZGO has no obligation to do any zoids content, they just have to focus on Zoids Genesis, ZE on the other hand puts a heavy emphasis on the anime, and all the series, not just Genesis...though I'm not sure it even did fully cover Genesis...

You haven't been keeping up with ZGO then.

Last month ZGO started covering EVERYTHING new related to zoids, which is why it's also the only place that covers Zoids Scramble, Zoids Full Metal Clash, Zoids Colliseum, Zoids Generations, and of course, Genesis and Fuzors. The site is named after Genesis because the original goal was to provide a place where people can get ALL the ACCURATE information on Genesis instead of the bull crap I've been seeing. And ZGO has accomplished that goal as I have been seeing far less misconceptions about Genesis than before.

The need to work on the Genesis section is no longer neccessary as ZGO already has everything on the entire series, including stuff that hasn't even aired yet.

Before the crash, ZGO had built itself towards the following:

-Complete and accurate Zoids Genesis database
-Near Complete Zoids Fuzors database (once the site goes back up I can complete it)
-Sprites, more than ZE had before including the Saga Fuzors sprites (thanks to some friends at Phenos)
-Exclusive reports on Zoids Full Metal Clash
-The first to cover an exclusive report on Zoids Colisseum
-The only site that covers Zoids Scramble.
-The only site that covers and has Zoids Generation webcomic chapter scans, courtesy of NVinC0.
-And finally, the old series. I have a few people working on them. ShadowDragon is making screencaps and EEZP is helping me with content.

From what I've been hearing, the "new" ZE hasn't made any progress content wise as compared to ZGO which already has this content and it would still be up had someone not hacked the CGI. (I am having huge suspicions on who the hacker could be)

So all in all, Zoids Genesis Online HAS ALREADY undergone this change.

And the moral of the story: Keep up with the news... >.>

This is turning into politics...but answer this question, why do you want the ZE name so badly? You've started ZGO, established a name, people know your site now, why do you still want ZE?

I know you're moving toward the "new content" for zoids, but your ideals are different from ZE. You want your site to have fresh content, fine, that's your concern.

ZE is more oriented toward the anime, espically with some of the older content. We wanted to revive ZE and that involves bringing back some old stuff, but by the sound of things you seem totally obessed with new content and want to forget about the old stuff. Yes , new content is important, but you also need some of the older content. For the revival of ZE to be a success we have to put a emphasis on the older stuff ZE has, and maybe for sometime until we've recovered them. But you don't seem to have any plans to revive ZE, in fact you just want to take your site, swap out the name and put in ZE. Is that your plan?

Old content....we have it....learn to read my last post... >.>

And I don't neccessarily "want ZE"...I just don't want to see something that's to fail because as far as I've seen, nothing has been accomplished content wise. And believe me, I've seen more of this then you guys probably know.

I don't really see why you must try to create something from scratch when there's something else you could just build upon.

Just close your eyes then. ;)

Personally I think all this negativity is extremely annoying. ^^; I can understand a good debate, but some things being said here are downright slanderous.

Indeed.

This is just an attempt to make something for the ZE community, really, get back some of what we had before. Either help if you want or shut it and stop trying to pull things down.

Power games help nobody, too. You know what I'm talking about.

And so what if the revived site wouldn't have all the newest sparkliest info, be it on old concepts or new? A lot of the great general sites of old have fallen. I'd like to see this one get back on its feet, at least as archived content to look back on.

We don't need to have the newest series covered. We don't need to have the newest games covered.
What we need is to have a site. With some information on it. We can go from there.
If fuzzy is concerned with being number 1 and having all the latest news, so be it, but it's beginning to have absolutely nothing to do with ZE, so we need to move on.