The title means animal but it cut short LOL.

I have quite a respect for animals, and i personally think we should have the same rights as animals not more or less.

its like fox hunting, and killing rats and mice because of pests etc. it is wrong what do you think?

You messed up a bit when setting up the poll..its bubble polls not checkmark...

You remind me so much of lycan who thought animals deserved more rights than humans. >.< I remember those topics...

Anyway I think certain kinds of animal hunting is nessary but if they must be killed it should be humanly. But depending on the situation animals should get similiar, if not same rights as humans, in certain cases.

I believe we deserve more rights then animals.



Do animals do complex math equations such as E=Mc2? No.
Can animals fire a gun? No.
Can most animals walk upright? No.
Can most animals even talk? No.
Can Humans be owned by another person? No.
Are humans used for food? No.

You sure about those two parts?

I'm inedible??? So what do cannibals eat each others for then?

Hmmm, I didn't know sharks ate bleeding humans for reasons other than for food.... o.O

I'll remember this next time I go into the woods...those bears don't want to eat me for food....they just wanna play with me.....right??? right???

Actually with bears I think it's more territorial. LAWL.

Humans are not PROCESSED as food, sillies gooses.

I say no, because... stuff. I think animals deserve special rights, but I don't think a mouse is going go on trial for crawling into my apartment and eating cookie crumbs. I do, however, hope the landlord released the poor thing instead of killing it.

You guys are so dumb. With the exception of Jammer, She pretty much explained it all.


And by humans being owned, Crappy third world countries such as Zimbabwe dont count.

Granted. But many exhibit problem solving skills.

Does that matter? Might doesn't make right and even with guns humans are still killed by animals.

Walking upright doesn't mean a thing. Most primates walk on all fours but still have opposable thumbs.

What's talking other than the way we communicate? Animals communicate just as much as we do but in different ways. And if you really want to specify talking...what of whalesong?

Yes, actually. Slavery's a great example. All ownership is legal and moral. We can free all animals from ownership just as simply as slaves are freed.

Yes, we are. We may not be processed as food but not all animals are either. I've got a rack of ribs in my fridge that have never seen the inside of a packing plant, they were taken right off the deer.

That said, no, animals don't deserve the same rights because they aren't invested in civilization the same way humans are. We rely on them and without them the modern world wouldn't exist in the same manner it does now. They deserve seperate rights, different rights, but not equal rights.

Stalin, Drk-X, please keep things civil.

Animals have the right...to remain delicious!

I'll just say that yes, I do think we humans deserve more rights. If I went into more detail I know I'd start an argument :ph43r:

Humans are meant to have more rights ...I won't get anymore explanable here cause I might make a religious conversation which might lead to people wanting me killed or just not liking me..But I won't deny I am a follower of Joshua.


Animals are here to suply us..And for us to suply them...They give us food, we give them food/ other thingys...

they do not even have to use them, so it is pretty useless.

it doesnt matter if they can or cant, being able to fire a gun does not give us more rights, it makes us almost killers.

that is only a human thing that doesnt give us rights, it has its weakness, walking on 2 legs you know.

actually they do talk, a dog barking is it communicating, omglazerspewpew was right whales are a perfect example of talking, its like a foreign language to an english speaking person.

yes they can, ever heard of slavery?

yes they are, need i say, wolfs, bears or hippos, the list can go on, we are the physically weakest mammal on the planet, when i say that i mean we dont have natural defenses.




And i agree with the many people who said that they should not have the same rights, if they did it would be a bit strange, give different rights depending on the species.

I'm sorry Stalin, I don't quite see how Jammer's post explained everything why don't you elaborate that? I suppose you know everything on this subject.

I think STALIN is trying to be in character when he asks that gun question......

STALIN asked some of the best questions for determining whether we should have the same rights as animals. [/sarcasm]

Some of the questions you put are irrelavent.

omg a animal can't shoot a weapon, what if they can? You could train a monkey to shoot a weapon, what that doesn't count?

Walking upright doesn't give us any great advantages, omg we can walk upright! Now our women have smaller pelvic bones and must give birth with more pain, yay!

We do have a natural defense, intelligence. It gives us the ability to do some of the best stragizing, usage of tools, and allows us to overcome our limitations to what we are now.

Ask fuzzy said, the definition of canniblism doesn't count right? When you said used for food you meant in general so yes, we are used for food.

Dude..are you even paying attention?

Creatures prefer their own species. It makes sense. It's all a quest to survive, no? So yes, if a person put a gun to my head and told me that I had to shoot either a human or a bear, I'll shoot the bear. In fact, I love meat and chicken. However, I'm not going to get a fur coat when wool suffices, and I'm not going to hunt for fun when I have no use for killing the animal. In short, I favor humans over animals, but I try to avoid screwing with animals when I can. I wont be that cowboy killing rattlesnakes for fun.

What im saying is..

Animals cant do half as much stuff that humans can. Therefore, they are not as good. Which leads me to believe they do not deserve the same rights.

Want a quote?

Biologically we are considered animals.

Yes maybe animals should not get the same rights, but the way you are putting it, you are saying animals are a bunch of stupid organisms. Also so what if humans can't do half of what humans can? There are things animals can do that we can't, don't look at animals so degradingly.

You say dont look at animals degradingly? Lmao. Thats like telling rednecks not to hunt.


You just gave me another point. If animals could do the same things as us, then yes, they should have the same rights..However, they cant.

Heres kinda what I mean..If a human could perform half of the functions it does, and an ape could do humanly things..and maybe fly to, then they deserve more rights then humans.

Did you read what I said earlier?

The keyword is depending on the situation

If a human goes ahead and kills 5 cats just for the heck of it, do you think that just because they're animals that guy should go unpunished? Or maybe he should just be fined a few hundred dollars with a slap on the wrist and let go? In that example the human killed just because he wanted to, he should be more severly punished, animals shouldn't be considered the bottom of the evolutionary ladder.

I'd kill you for this sentence alone. Animals may not be able to use technology (althoguh some animals actually do), but they can do a hell lot more stuff than we can. Ever heard of camouflage, for instance? Ever seen stick insects? One species of mantis resembles a real flower. Can you spin a web? I think not.

Animals are far more fascinating than crummy humans. Try reading some animal books sometimes.

I'd rather kill a person than kill a tiger.

It's a tradeoff. We specialize in one thing and lose other things, like, say, sense of smell, and I'd say other more intuitive connecty things. We're also more dependant on our technology, which is a double-edged sword, and we don't have as much survival instinct in terms of in the wild...in fact, a lot of what's left of our instincts we suppress.

um just another point about humans. arent we stupider than most animals because we invent such deadly and dangerous weapons like the atomic bomb? if we were to go on making such hazardous chemicals we wont just destroy the human race but the whole world. E=mc2 helped us understand how the earth came into existance but it also helped make the atomic bomb which could cause nuclear winter. personally i agree with some of the people here about special rights for seperate species but i still voted no saying we should ahve equal rights cause thats more closest to my point of view

This thread has kind of turned into "why animals can be better than humans" XD actually it's kind true in certain cases...

The thing is, physically we are some of the weakest animals on this planet, we make up for it in our intelligence and improvision, planes are really bird knock-offs, why else do they have wings too? Yes we are dependant on our technology, because we are incapable of doing it ourselves. A cheetah can go faster and longer than we can, so what do we do? Create the car. We used to ride horses and some of us do, because they can go long distances and quickly without tiring as fast as we can.

Really the point is, yes there are things animals can't do we can, but it's the same the other way around.

Ever heard of Woodland BDU's?
We have people that look like twigs. Take that Olson chick for example.


If we hadnt invented things such as guns and weaponry, we wouldnt be here today. Animals would have killed us. But we created ways to kill them, therefore, we are smarter and better.

Sure, spiders can walk up walls, but does it accomplish any thing besides getting somewhere vertically? No, not really.

Arguing is pointless, because in the end, We still have more rights then animals. Which is the way it should be, because I am right, and so are all the politicians.

Man you have serious problems...you have this ego that says I am right and you are all wrong unless you agree with me.

Arguing is pointless eh? I guess sitting around agreeing with the person next to us gets things done right? At the moment yes, animals have less rights than us, but nothing is going to be done if we just accept that fact and leave it be. So argument is NOT pointless, it allows opinion to be expressed, and based on other's opinions it can be changed for the good or bad maybe.

Stop being like oh I'm right, don't bother to argue becuse in the end I'm right. So unless you have something to contribute other than that then shut up. The purpose of a forum is for discussion and sometimes unfortunately we have to to argue but that's because a difference of an opinion and that's what makes life interesting.

actually animals can do more things then humans, heck we need guns to kill an animal just to eat it, animals have amazing capabilities that humans cannot even imagine doing, therefore humans cant do half as much as a human, unless you mean, build, drive etc. that is all pointless stuff, where as animals have those capabilities for a reason.

Before this disintegrates any more than it already has I'd suggest someone lock this.

Everyone's stated an opinion. Everyone has a right to have their opinion. There's no arguing right or wrong with this topic because it's all subjective. We're arguing perspective and moral issues now since there's no concrete facts that can prove the issue one way or that other.

So, unless people want this to get locked, I'd suggest everyone backing off, taking a deep breath, and realizing that everyone is entitled to have an opinion no matter if you agree with it or not.

You can go ahead and have less rights than an animal. I'm keeping mine, thanks.

No need to resort to disses guys. How about we be mature and respect others opinions?

I've learned people at this board take things far too seriously. It's really hilarious. I think that's why I keep coming back here. For entertainment.

Yes Stalin, please listen to your own advice.

Sorry. I feel like being stooopud.

Though you felt like bein stoopud. lol. you have a point, by stalins logic a fish has more rights because it can do something more then a huamn, breathe underwater. :P

Then I'd have to wonder if a stupid person has less rights than a smart person, because a smart person can do more things than a stupid person can.

Though does anyone else sense a tinge of sarcasm and purposeful antagonism in Stalin. There's really no need to get worked up.

Quite simply the whole animal vs. human rights thing can be summed up this way:

Animals do not need rights because they do not need them. One animal does not take advantage of another animal. One animal does not try to opress another animal. Animals don't speak (atleast in a sense we would consider) therefore there is no problem with speach. Animals live without governments or politics, without money or jobs. The live a SIMPLE life. Eat, crap, and have sex. That really sums it up.

Humans developed rights because our way of life dictates that everyone is NOT equal. im not talking skin color or religion, I'm talking corporate fat cats and other "high class" individuals. Rights are created to try and bridge the gaps of society in my oppinion.

Baby crocodiles may wish for the right to not be eaten by adult males. Sounds like a form of oppression to me...

Only when it comes to animals!

As for everything else, I don't bloody care what they think.

I think animal hunting for FUN should be banned. If you need to hunt to eat, you're welcome to it. I don't belvie, however that animals should have all the rights that humans have because.. they really arn't as smart as us. /scarcasm/ Why would a rat want to vote? /scarcasm/ I think we should stop neeedless killing, but other than that, I'm good with how we are treating animals.