Drk is competing in an old-school Pokemon tournement in June. By old school he means GSC, not RBGY. No RSE here.

Basically the rules are:

-6v6
-No non-held Items (not like you can use items though so this is a given)
-Broken up into lvl 100, lvl 80, or lvl 50
-Lugia, Ho-oh, and Mewtwo are banned
-Delibird with Present is not allowed if using GS
-The battle will be done through Stadium 2 (meaning Marowak works with Thick Club~! :D)

Anyways, I really wanna win this cause I need easy money (depends on how many people enter) so I need to make the perfect team:

I'm gonna want the following:

-Leader (either a Baton Passer or a Status Inflicter)
-Sweeper
-Sweeper
-Tank
-Tank
-Pseudo Hazer

Not really the team you usually see...but why have heavy attackers when Sweepers work better?

Tanks: I've already decided on these two...Blissey and Kingdra...arguably the best Tanks ever. (Kingdra is only weak against Dragon and Dragon type attacks are horrible with the exception of Dragon Breath and very few use Dragon Breath) and Blissey takes more than anything.

Kingdra:
-Ice Beam
-Surf
-Rest
-Sleep Talk (Double Team instead???)

Blissey:
-Softboiled
-Return
-Minimize
-Heal Bell

Sweeper: So many to choose here...I have no idea. My ideas are either Tyrannitar, Alakazam, Espeon, Porygon2, and many others...

Psuedo Hazer: Aerodatyl, Skarmory, or Suicune...don't know which.

Baton Passer: Scizor perhaps???

Do you know what people you'll be facing typically use? That helps in developing counters. I've noticed fewer people usng fire critters in G/S/C what little I've dabbled, so that might be unexpected. Ninetales can roar and has Safeguard and Confuse Ray as options, iirc, so it could be of some use.

I had the idea of using a female Umbreon with Rest/some decent attack/Confuse Ray/Attract @ Leftovers to be a general pain in the arse and waste people's PP, though I haven't had the chance to really test it. Body Slam would be good for the one move if Eevee can learn it (I can't remember).

If you want lots of move compatability for a sweeper, I've always liked the Nido series. They're not the strongest, but with how much stuff they can learn they can sometimes pull off a win from sheer surprise factor/luck. They're also fighting-resistant, which would be so darn cool if they hadn't decided to be horribly cheap and giva Machamp both Earthquake and Cross Chop :p.

I don't know what my opponents would have so yeah...I need something versatile.

Hmm, the problem I have with the Nido series is that while they're able to learn a lot of special attacks, their main ability is their physical attacks so slapping ThunderBolt and IceBeam onto a Nidoking or Nidoqueen won't get me to far. For a special sweeper, I was thinking more along the lines of Porygon 2, which would mean Tyrannitar would make sense as a physical sweeper.

Or...I could not have a second sweeper and have Kingdra double as a tank and semi-sweeper so that I could have a status inflicter AND a baton passer. Scizor seems like the obvious choice for a baton passer since it can pass both Agility and Swords Dance. It has decent defense as a trait commonly found on steel attribute Pokemon so it can perform the Baton Pass multiple times and it can deal decent damage on its own with either Hidden Power Bug or Hidden Power Rock or Steel Wing, depending on what the rest of my team is and what element I would need.

Ninetails got nerfed since RBY so I'll go with Suicune for my semi-tank/psuedo-hazer.

Possible Suicune:

-Mirror Coat
-Double Team
-Roar (obviously)
-Surf

Status Inflicter is between Gengar or Umbreon. I have two Gengars currently...one is more of a all-around fighter (Thunderbolt, Hypnosis, ShadowBall, Dream Eater), while the other is clean and ready to be raised into this:

-Toxic
-Hypnosis
-Dream Eater
-Confuse Ray

Overall, I find the former to be better but seeing as I have others covering it's position, I'm wanting to go with the latter.

As for an alternative, I might want an Umbreon like this:

-Moonlight (I can change my time and make it night time to take full advantage of this)
-Toxic
-Mean Look
-Confuse Ray

Pretty much the same thing but now Toxic is more supported and healing is easier...not sure which I would want.

So many possibilities...

Everyone uses toxic trapping on Umbreon, which is why I wanted to try that annoying moveset out.

Hey, have you tried that Netbattle program? Maybe we could poke each other on it and I could lose a lot, since I mainly like to muck around with random test movesets.

Tank:
Blissey
- Soft-boiled
- Heal Bell
- Return/Seismic Toss (I prefer Seismic Toss for constant and reliable 100 damage)
- Ice beam/Thunder wave

Psuedo Hazer/Tank/Spiker: (<3 this combination)
Skarmory
- Spikes
- Roar/Whirlwind
- Drill Peck
- Rest

Other possibilities:
Milotic
- Recover
- Hyponsis
- Surf
- Ice beam

You're late :P

Skarmory for Psuedo-hazer...time to raise a Skarmory again~! :D

Oh, I forgot to put up items and crap...blargh...gotta think of those too.

You can always pick Misdreavus if you plan to be cheap. :]

Mean look + Perish song + Taunt and Protect your ass off + last minute switch out = win!

Tyranitar's quite good from what I hear...

-Crunch
-Flamethrower
-Rockslide
-Roar?

I perfer offensive moves on all my pokemon. I don't usually have any moves that affect it, unless it gains some health back.

Though, you might say that is a stupid move...

I've never lost a fight.

Likewise. Back when I used to play Pokemon, I just loaded mine up with superattacks and just went SMITESMITESMITE. Crude, but effective. xp

That's 'sweeping', pretty brainless if you prefer power over accuracy (Hydro Pump > Surf? That's true lunacy!). You'll have one heck of trouble against Blissey if not properly equipped. ;)

I reckon it is. But, its your style really. And you've never lost a fight because you only played against crappy AI or against crappy friends or relatives. And I'll probably replace Roar with Aerial Ace, because Tyranitar is slow, and can probably kill some Heracrosses and some fighters that attempt to counter him. I'll do anything to increase the WTF factor.

And crap, I forgot Skarmory didn't have spikes in GSC. Ahh well. Replace Spikes with Steel Wing. Its good enough to kill a Rhydon at least.

And damn you all. I feel like Pokemon battling online. :(

Any takers?

It doesn't? :huh:

I was going to recommend Skarmory too. The only time I ever had a problem was with a Magneton. Magnet + Thunderbolt = dead Skarmory 100% of the time. I had a pretty good team going on Netbattle when it was the rage at ZGC. I'll look through some old topics to see what I had. I suggest adding the mega haxx, Dunsparce. Can't go wrong with Dunsparce :ph43r:

Had this been R/S rules I'd also say Ninetales with Will O' Wisp.

I should get Netbattle on this computer, if anyone wants to fight what amounts to "I got curious and wanted to see if this would work" movesets, GSC or RBY with trades only. I don't know the later games at all.

Not exactly... My Tyranitar was fast cuz I gave it like thirty of those Carbos to raise its speed. I always confused my opponents, cuz itw as sooo fast.

@ShadowDragon: See, I already knew what you were gonna say...which is why I've prepared myself to disregard your advice :)

I know your gaming style. If it's fanboyed you'll do it. Tyrannitar/Gyarados/Dragonite/etc with super-attacks is overly fanboyed and never works. :)

You'd be one of the guys that give something like Gyarados this set:

-Hyper Beam
-Hydro Pump
-Fire Blast
-Thunder

...all of those have 5 PP default and around 70% accuracy....Spite anyone??? Pair that up with Taunt/Encore and Mean Look and you'll be completely helpless :D

And the whole thing about never losing in Pokemon...you said the same thing about doing well in Super Smash and I found your strategy to be utterly crappy meaning you must only play against crappy opponents :)

...playing against your little brother doesn't count as a win. :rolleyes:

And despite the fact that your Tyrannitar is an over-sweeper, it STILL sucks because it doesn't even have Earthquake....tsk tsk tsk.....

...so yeah....SUPER stupid move... :rolleyes:

And you can't give your Tyrannitar 30 Carboses....they max out around five. Meaning the only way your Tyrannitar could be way faster than the opponent is if

a. You Baton Passed Agility (which I HIGHLY doubt)
b. Your opponent was a Cloyster, Snorlax, Blissey, Magcargo, Shuckle, etc

...Skarmory can't learn Spikes??? I thought most fliers could... *goes to check*

I'm rethinking my Kingdra. It's attack is immensely high so I want to give it Return instead of Ice Beam. Ice Beam would work better if I faced a Dragonite (which I doubt) but I want to keep Surf just for the STAB bonus. Which would make my for Kingdra:

Kingdra: (King's Rock)
-Surf
-Return
-SleepTalk
-Rest

Pretty damn annoying seeing as his defense, special defense, and HP are all above average and he's still a threat while asleep. :D

I suggest Sneasel. Itsa a good Ice/Dark type? I always used Jolteon in the battle arena/tower thingy, but thats just me. If you have Articuno traded from RGBY its not too bad a choice, but it has the electric/fire weakness. But that ICe beam packs a whallop. ^_^

I hate Legendary Birds...except maybe Zapdos.

The problem with Articuno is that its moveset is EXTREMELY limted. Zapdos is the only one I find decent because not many electric types are good and Zapdos learns Drill Peck naturally. Toss in Thunder Wave, Thunderbolt, and a support move like Whirlwind and you have a decent fighter/psuedo-hazer/paralyzer

Tyrannitar, I already have one. I'm just contemplating on whether to use it. It's set is this:

-IceBeam
-Earthquake
-AncientPower (I highly prefer this over RockSlide due to Rock Slide's feeble accuracy)
-Curse

Pure Sweeper that acts like a tank as well. Ancientpower is maxed out in PP obviously since while it's way better than Rock Slide, it's PP is rather low.

EDIT: Ack, Sneasel??? Sneasel kinda sucks. It's very fragile and while it would be a good Baton Passer....it can't learn it. It's basically a slightly better version of Meowth/Persian.

Zapdos I liked better as well.

And Lugia was waaaaay over-rated and so was Ho-oh... I killed them off witha pkm 10 lvls below them easily... and it wasn't an electric type i was using either. XD.

And Sneasel is a good pick I think. I have one on my old Crystal cart and i wipe the floor with the guy I have thats like rival or something I used the IR thingy for.

Ah blah... I hate Gyrados... it has a double weakness against electricity types.

Oh... and it must have been the quick claw then I gave to it. Cuz my Gold got erased... damn N64.

Secondly, I am the youngest in my family, and I've gone up against my friends, not my sister who's a mere book nerd.

Other then that, I do agree with the Zapdos... it makes it immune to ground attack, for the electricity half, and only makes it screwed when rock attacks come at it.

And my fighting style is not the fanboy type. You're thinking that I'm always using the strategy that's so obvious. I know the accuracy disadvantages of some moves, and replace them with better ones.

My Tyranitar knew this...

-Fire Blast
-Rockslide
-Earthquake < Yes, I do have that move... I was just thinking you'd say... Where's roar?
-Crunch

I use movesets that can take out multiple types at the same times... not moves that just blow up my enemies in three seconds. Oh, and how do I remember all this? CUZ I WAS SO OBSESSED WITH IT BACK THEN!

Roar is a good move....just so you know...don't underestimate Roar ever. It's the more preffered of the psuedo-haze moves.

Your new moveset is even more fanboyed than before by the fact that Rock Slide and Fire Blast are on there....good job on contradicting yourself dunce. 70% accuracy is real fun :rolleyes:

Not to mention Fire Blast goes way better (though in all cases you'd want to take FlameThrower over FireBlast...Crystal version makes this possible) when you have Sunny Day and Solarbeam.

...I should change the subtitile of the thread to say "seasoned veterans only" :]

...and I really give a rat's arse if you have younger or older siblings :rolleyes:

Multiple type handling doesn't meant jack crap if your guy doesn't have the right stats for it. If you want a multi-type sweeper, that's what Nidoking and Porygon2 are for...not Tyrannitar. Tyrannitar is a pure attacker... >.<

...why have Quick Claw on an attacker/sweeper/semi-tank when you can have Leftovers or Miracle Berry???

Have fun Fanboy :D

Then why don't you? Better to have veterans who are actually good at the game then "fanboys" like myself. You posted the title asking for help... so either just calmly take it as a good idea, but nah I won't use it, or change the title and stop dissing people.

It's really pissing me off....

Oh, and for your information, I don't miss too often with Fire Blast... I always hit.

[quote]Oh, and for your information, I don't miss too often with Fire Blast... I always hit.[quote]

70% Accuracy.....if I were to use Double Team or minimize, your accurracy is pretty much the equivalent of 50%....nice :rolleyes:

Seriously though, taking on amateurs doesn't define good. Real gamers...when they say they're good, they really mean it :]

For instance, when it comes to Magic, Rockman.exe, Pokemon, Digimon World, Super Smash, Soul Calibur, MvC, Starcraft, or even crap like Yugiou...I don't let defeat come very easily :] (Not to mention some of these I've never lost in...like Rockman or Magic.....as Super Smash....goddamn wave-dashing Fox users with their Reflector OHKO abuse.... :rolleyes:)

And yet, I jsut tried it on my game and still hit the Dewgong that just used Double Team twice.......

Amazing...

Now try that against 6 highly powered Pokemon, half of which will probably use Double Team and Baton Pass it continously to no end :rolleyes:

Don't forget you only have 5 PP as well :rolleyes: (8 if you max out)

Sneasal looks good, but don't be fooled! Its not that good. Limited moveset, and it literally can't do anything without its physical attacks. Its special attack ain't that good either. But its one of my favourite Pokemon by appearance and its fun to use when I'm playing against a regular AI.

Absolute bullcrap IMO unless you equipped Quick claw. I swear, Bonawak can kill it soo damn easily. Your better off equipping Leftovers. Plus, if you give a carbos to a Tyranitar, it doesn't give much anyway. Isn't it half an increase per time?

Not to mention you shouldn't be giving a crap about speed on Tyrannitar when most people use Curse on their's anyways....and it does well with Curse.

Yeah, that's why you Baton Pass it with a Ninjask or something with Agility.

Yupyup, Baton Pass is a sweeper's best friend when equipped by something else.

Anyone who doesn't use or pass on Swords Dance or Agility is seriously a n00b :]

They save your life though... :rolleyes:

I can only think of three moves I would use sometimes on my Pokemon that are not offensive moves.

-Protect
-Synthesis
-Recover

That's it... nothing else! Now leave me alone...

...but those aren't really support moves. Those are pure defense/recovery moves. Therefore, they don't count towards what we're talking about, especially Recover, which is a broken move and anyone with a brain should use it. Not much strategy there :rolleyes:

The moves we are talking of are:

-Screech (good for Explosion)
-Minimize
-Double Team (prefferable to Minimize due to the Stomp drawback)
-Curse (non-Ghost version....most broken power up ever)
-Mean Look
-Swords Dance
-Agility
-Swagger
-Whirlwind
-Roar
-Charm
-Spikes
-Encore
-Disable
-Encore
-Taunt (too bad this is RSE and FR/LG only)
-Snatch (too bad this is RSE and FR/LG only)
-Psych Up
-Ancient Power (stat boost)
-Heal Bell
-Haze
-Perish Song

I'm not sure if I missed any other good ones

The rest (like Harden, Growl, Tail Whip, and Defense Curl) aren't worth mentioning

I prefer the cliche Curselax to a cursing Tyrannitar. Probably one of the most valuable Pokemon, IMO. Once it's Cursed up, nothing short of a suped up fighting type will kill it. The one I had even beat an anit-Snorlax Machamp that was tailored to beat it... so even then it's not a clear victory.

Yeah, you can have one huge comeback if you have a Curselax saved for last. No roars and you shouldn't be afraid of common Curselax counters. :)

The only problem I have with Curselax is the fact that Snorlax cannot breed and thus you have to start raising it from a high level...not good :(

...at least I think you can't make baby Snorlax....could you???

Why not?

The only reason they may not be able to breed is that they *may* all be male, but that's easily able to be avoided by just Ditto breeding it (better then nothing), or something else in it's group. I don't know offhand, as when I want to make a team, I usually just Netbattle it.

I just double checked. Snorlax CAN breed~!!! :D

w00t, time to create a lvl 5 Snorlax and let loose hell :D

So for my order I'm probably gonna go with:

-Misdreavus/Umbreon (I'll raise both and use one or the other)
-Blissey/Scizor (depending on if I want a 2nd tank or a Baton Passer)
-Suicune/Skarmory (same deal here)
-Kingdra (staple tank)
-Tyrannitar (sweeper/attacker)
-Snorlax (sweeper/attacker)

w00tness :D

I used to play this online thingy with other people it was pretty fun. Here's my best move set. I favor Snorlax because its defence and attack is so high and speed doesnt matter(it can get slower for all I care) this is really pure nuke.


Snorlax
------
Toxic
Rest
Protect
Return also can use something like Snore

Or

Snorlax
----------
- Belly Drum
- Focus Punch
- Shadow Ball
- Substitute

I dont know if all these moves are avalible to you but hope this helps.

That's why you give it Curse. It lowers speed, then uebers up attack and defense. Snorlax won't go first anyway, so there's no need for its speed stat.

I never knew curse did that, but that's what belly drum is for it can max out the attack stat in afew turns.

Belly Drum does it in one turn at the cost of half the HP. I'd prefer Curse.

I've already decided on the following for Curselax:

-Rest
-Shadow Ball
-Curse
-Earthquake

(Mint Berry)

Obviously he should be last since he can't afford to be psuedo-hazed or hazed.

Just watch out for hazers like Weezing. :D My Curselax has Body Slam instead of Shadow Ball.

Ah crap...the normal Hazers still work :(

Oh yeah, Misdreavus can't learn Taunt or even Encore in GSC....should I go with Toxic or Pain Split??? :]