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JammerLea - October 26, 2006 04:30 AM (GMT)
I don't know if I can get any help with this or if it'll even make any sense, but I shall try... I'd check on AIM, but my connection is so finicky right now, it's making me want to kill things. D=

So I tried networking the computers. It's not working yet. That's not my primary issue at the moment.

I was a complete stupid idiot and answered a prompt "ok" telling the computer to switch to using the Windows Firewall instead of the Norton Anti-Virus firewall. Once I realised this I was in the "Oh crap." mode.

I have abosolutely no idea HOW, but I somehow managed to turn the Norton Firewall back on. But it got all messed up. DX It's usually nice and would give me a prompt for new thingies like, "_____ is trying to do _____." with an option for "Always Allow (Recommended)" and such. Now it keeps doing this:

http://www.horror-vacui.net/treeness/wtf2.jpg

CONSTANTLY. It kept going back and forth between that one with Firefox and some other program file that I have no idea about but probably is part of Firefox. Back and forth and back and forth like it would ONLY POSSIBLY BE HAPPY IF I TOLD IT TO YES BLOCK FIREFOX PLEASE ITS ONLY MY FAVORITE INTERNET BROWSER KTHX

I probably did hit block on accident, but it still kept popping up. (Whoo! I just got disconnected. *redials*) So I ctrl+alt+del'd Norton. Then Firefox wouldn't go ANYWHERE, even though I was connected, because chat was working. So I restarted. I turned off Norton Firewall. I just have no clue what the heck its problem is.

Other little random things have happened since that day trying to network too, but I have no idea if they're just... random or if they're actually related to the issue. Bah.

Stupid firewalls.

*ANGST*

HaTcH - October 26, 2006 04:00 PM (GMT)
Uninstall norton firewall.
(perform steps to do a 'complete uninstall')

Reinstall norton firewall.

If it still doesn't work, uninstall norton firewall and install Sygate Personal Firewall. Its far more user friendly and does exactly the same stuff. You'll have to download it from this link: http://www.ligersunion.com/downloads/spf.exe (9mb) because lo and behold, Symantec (who created norton) took over sygate.. So whatever. This is the personal/free version from before the sygate take over and its what I use. To be honest norton products suck in general. AV is good, but I would never use anything else. And at that rate, I can't actually remember the last time I had a virus. (TY FIREFOX)

The settings are extremely straight forward for enabling windows networking and you can set up rules and things really easy. And it does the popup thing with new applications but this one works.

Don't be afraid of not having a firewall too. Its good to have if you have programs you don't want connecting to the internet (>_>) and also good if you use IRC or file sharing programs regularly. In normal sense, changing your browsing habbits (ie, use mozilla stuff), thats *really* all you need.

ZeRoRaVeN - October 27, 2006 02:58 AM (GMT)
Live with it I say. I've been doing that for years. You should not kill Norton from the taskmanager as you now know, Norton designed a smart security precaution to kill the internet if it's ever killed in case a malcious program takes it down.

Anyway, it's a option in Norton, allow me to quote the help files.

QUOTE

Your computer may contain software that the Personal Firewall does not recognize. When an unrecognized program attempts to access the Internet, the Personal Firewall displays a Program Alert.

In order to reduce the number of alerts, the Personal Firewall can learn your unrecognized programs. The Personal Firewall starts learning automatically after you install Norton Internet Security. Learning continues for seven days or until the firewall detects that you have not used unrecognized programs for a certain period of time. The Personal Firewall then returns to regular program monitoring.

The Personal Firewall learns programs only when they try to access the Internet. While learning is turned on, use as many programs as possible. Use programs that use the Internet, such as Web browsers, instant messengers, and email programs, as well as word processors, spreadsheets, and financial programs. While such programs do not need the Internet in order to function, many access the Internet for program updates or information.

When learning is turned on, the Personal Firewall allows all programs to access the Internet. When your computer enters an unprotected state, the Personal Firewall stops learning unrecognized programs and returns to normal program monitoring. When your computer's protection is restored, the Personal Firewall will start learning unrecognized programs again.

After its initial learning period, the Personal Firewall will not turn on learning automatically. If you want the Personal Firewall to learn new programs you install, you can turn on learning manually. You can also turn off learning, if necessary.

If you turn on Personal Firewall learning manually, learning will continue until you turn it off.


You can determine that the Personal Firewall is learning in two ways:

In the Norton Internet Security main window, the Firewall row status displays Learning.

On the Windows System tray, the Norton Internet Security icon appears with a white plus (+) sign inside of a blue circle.

Personal Firewall learning does not guarantee that you will never see Program Alerts. You might use an unrecognized program that you did not use while learning was turned on. Some programs access the Internet in more than one way. If a learned program tries to access the Internet in a different way after learning has been turned off, you might receive a Program Alert.


More Information

Turning on or turning off learning manually


TURNING ON OR TURNING OFF LEARNING MANUALLY

QUOTE

After its initial learning period, the Personal Firewall will not turn on learning automatically. If you want the Personal Firewall to learn new programs you install, you can turn on learning manually. When you want to return the Personal Firewall to normal program monitoring, you can turn off learning.

To turn on or turn off learning manually

In the main window, click Personal Firewall, and then click Configure.

On the Firewall tab page, do one of the following:

To turn on learning, check the Learn unrecognized programs that access the Internet check box.

To turn off learning, uncheck the Learn unrecognized programs that access the Internet check box.

Click OK.

If learning is turned off because of your computer's security status, you cannot turn it on.


JammerLea - October 28, 2006 07:45 AM (GMT)
@HaTcH

Yeah, I'm not sure about uninstall/reinstall because I don't know if/where we have the software. I'm just worried about messing with things further since it's not my computer. XD The other thing is updating it if I reinstalled, and my lack of patience on dial-up weeps bitterly at that. X3

So I turned off the firewall and Norton's all, "1 item is affecting your status." with an option for "Fix Now" which turns the firewall back on. Aw, Norton, you're so cute in a highly manipulative way.

@ZeRoRaVeN

Yeah, I did know that the learning thing existed. And I mean... it had the little pop up things for when it created rules for the programs initially, and then that'd be the last I'd see for whichever program.

Then this started happening. I thought maybe it unlearned everything somehow. The learning thing was turned off, so I turned it on, but it didn't really change anything. o_0; I dunno, it makes sense that it should work, but it's not... I checked too, and it said that it still listed the programs from before... The options for some of the prompts are different from what I remember before. Maybe it's the level setting or something...

I didn't know about the killing thing, but I couldn't get rid of those prompts, so I guess there wasn't anything to do but restart. XD;

HaTcH - October 28, 2006 11:51 PM (GMT)
When I installed Kubuntu Linux on my other hard drive, it ran a file system check and found some problem with the definitions file for Sygate and it actually truncated it, so for most of the applications I use it *forgot* I allowed/disallowed them and just decided to ask.

Something similar may have been the cause. (running disk check from windows? (like if the power went out and windows though the drive needed to be checked for errors)




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