Title: Time
Rossebay - November 27, 2007 02:08 AM (GMT)
What is time? Did time exist before death?
When we were yound, did time ever occour to us? Yes, the time it takes to make popcorn, or the time it took to play a game, or the time it took for the school to end were all "time", but time itself, did we ever think?
What is time now, does it really exist now? Is there a "time"?
Sink - November 27, 2007 02:31 AM (GMT)
Time just is. It exists regardless of anything.
ITT TC thinks too hard about simple things
Insaniholic - November 27, 2007 02:49 AM (GMT)
Yes. Of course there is time. Same thing with space. Time and space were created by the big bang, and until there are a shitload of black holes, time and space are going to kepp existing.
Sink - November 27, 2007 02:56 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Insaniholic @ Nov 26 2007, 09:49 PM) |
| Yes. Of course there is time. Same thing with space. Time and space were created by the big bang, and until there are a shitload of black holes, time and space are going to kepp existing. |
Black Holes can't do anything to time, good sir. As I said, time just is and can't be affected by anything save for well. Time machines and temporal majiks.
lol magic
Saito - November 27, 2007 04:27 AM (GMT)
According to Archbishop Ussher of Ireland, the world was created at 9:00 A.M. on October 26 in the year of 4004 B.C. :hmm:
Feez - November 27, 2007 07:04 AM (GMT)
^LMAO :lol:
Time is time. Take an advanced physics course if you really wanna screw around with bullshit theories regarding time. I don't think we should be wasting are time discussing philosophical hypotheses describing time, when we could be stopping global warming, developing new methods of getting energy, or ceasing warfare surrounding the globe at current.
Zero - November 27, 2007 01:40 PM (GMT)
Currently, I'm of the belief that time does not exist. What I mean by this is that although we can "measure" time, it is purely a human creation and it's not possible to "travel" through it. Going forward in time, so to speak, is supposedly possible by traveling near the speed of light. I don't claim to be an expert on the topic, but I believe that's just you slowing down with respect to everything else. If you think about it, going back in time would involve the universe having an infinitely large and precise memory that knows where every atom resided at every moment in the past, and then moving everything back to how it was then except for you who is now in a different place.
Time could very well exist and I could be completely wrong. This is just what I think at this point in my life.
Zerorush - November 27, 2007 09:46 PM (GMT)
Einstein did prove that time is relative, and that time travel would indeed be possible if you moved at the speed of light like you said Zero.
ElecNinja - November 28, 2007 03:19 AM (GMT)
Well, technically real time travel is impossible.
Because you can't go pass the speed of light. Because that would require an infinite source of energy. Your mass would become infinite, if I recall. And for you, time would be zero. And since the only thing that would travel at the speed of light is light; you might turn into light. Energy perhaps.
But, relative time travel is possible. Basically send someone out into space near the speed of light and then send him back near the speed of light. He would have "traveled" into the future.
But, to me, time is real. For the way to determine whether time is real or not without the existance of humans is to observe nature's behaviour. Animals have certain times of mating or feeding. Plants open their flowers at a certain time and close them at others. Things in nature have their own time. Maybe not something as organized like we humans have, but they still have their own measure of time. Which means that time does exist even without influence of homo sapian sapian.
Time is indeed the fourth dimension to me. Except it is a ray dimension instead of a line dimension. Which means that we can only go through it in one direction instead of the normal two for depth, width, and height. Saying time doesn't exist is like saying height doesn't exist. It's quite rediculous.
So, my view is that time is an inseperable quality of nature, much like width, depth, and height.
Grimm - November 28, 2007 12:42 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Insaniholic @ Nov 26 2007, 09:49 PM) |
| Yes. Of course there is time. Same thing with space. Time and space were created by the big bang, and until there are a shitload of black holes, time and space are going to kepp existing. |
For us Christians, we believe time always existed, but the world was created later. Or maybe it all came to be in an epic battle between pirates and ninjas. Or maybe not...
Zero - November 28, 2007 02:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ElecNinja @ Nov 27 2007, 11:19 PM) |
| But, to me, time is real. For the way to determine whether time is real or not without the existance of humans is to observe nature's behaviour. Animals have certain times of mating or feeding. Plants open their flowers at a certain time and close them at others. Things in nature have their own time. Maybe not something as organized like we humans have, but they still have their own measure of time. Which means that time does exist even without influence of homo sapian sapian. |
These things occur because of the rotation and revolution of the Earth. It happens because that's how they have evolved to behave. They say that people that try to change their sleep schedule to be awake at night and asleep during the day end up getting really messed up and sleep deprived. It has something to do with the lack of seeing the sun. Yet, you can travel around the world and adjust to different time zones just fine. Therefore, it goes off of not an absolute measure of time.
ElecNinja - November 29, 2007 02:24 AM (GMT)
So, if nature made it, it's not of nature?
O.O
That's somethinge new. Really, the timing exists because of the nature of things. It's not like humans influenced the evolution of animals so that they would wake up at certain times and then fall back to sleep. Time, such as a time of rest and a time of play, has existed.
And to actually answer you instead of repeat what I said, with hopefully new material.
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| These things occur because of the rotation and revolution of the Earth. |
And they happen with a certain rythm don't they? It's not like the earth rotates and revolves with no sense of time. It takes a certain amount of time to rotate. A certain amount of time to orbit the sun.
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| Therefore, it goes off of not an absolute measure of time. |
I really didn't understand what you meant here. But, if you were saying that since a humans feel strange when they inverse their times, but they are fine if they cross time zones, so therefore time isn't absolute. That is a bad example.
It really doesn't show that time exists or not. It just shows that relative time isn't absolute. Which is completely true. Absolute time exists.
Sero - November 29, 2007 06:21 PM (GMT)
I think there is a thing as absolute time for the same reasons Elec has posted. Although one has to ask: What does time matter?
ElecNinja - November 30, 2007 12:45 AM (GMT)
What does time matter?
o.O
Why does time matter? Isn't it?
Zero - November 30, 2007 03:14 PM (GMT)
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| So, if nature made it, it's not of nature? |
You're treating nature as an entity. Is it? Could be a whole debate in itself.
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| It's not like humans influenced the evolution of animals so that they would wake up at certain times and then fall back to sleep. |
I didn't say anything about humans influencing evolution or anything of the sort. I simply stated that the reason life on this planet formed periodic habits is due to the periodic rotation/revolution of the Earth.
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| It's not like the earth rotates and revolves with no sense of time. It takes a certain amount of time to rotate. A certain amount of time to orbit the sun. |
I don't think that the Earth is internally keeping track of time to make sure it's not revolving around the Sun too fast. It's movement is totally predictable by physics.
Time is just a system of measure created by humans because it's more convenient for us to be able to know how long things take. Our lives are only divided up into days/months/weeks/years because of how the Earth moves. If the earth rotated at the same rate that it revolved (so that the same side always faced the Sun), putting aside the fact that the Earth would be much hotter on one side and life might not exist in the first place, we might measure time by something else entirely, like how long it takes for some volume of sand to drain out of a glass or some such predictable event. Not that people didn't do that in earlier times, but that was still based off of the rotation of the Earth.
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| It really doesn't show that time exists or not. It just shows that relative time isn't absolute. Which is completely true. Absolute time exists. |
You haven't really offered anything to support your side of the argument.
Sero: It doesn't, really. However, this is a Debate board. Therefore, we debate things. =P
ElecNinja - December 1, 2007 09:38 PM (GMT)
Actually now, I firmly believe that you are talking about the human notation of time and saying that it doesn't truely exist. But, you see, I'm talking about the absolute idea of time.
And if that's true, I agree with you that the human notation for measure time doesn't exist because it isn't something that couldn't be changed.
Zero - December 2, 2007 09:44 PM (GMT)
Ah, I see. 'Twas a misunderstanding on both our parts. =o
But yeah, I suppose that absolute time exists in the sense that it takes a certain amount of time for things to happen.
ElecNinja - December 2, 2007 11:40 PM (GMT)
Just some random trivia for this: Some scientists were planning on making a metric measurement of time where a hundred seconds made up a minute or so.
That would have been interesting.
PhantomRiku - December 3, 2007 04:17 AM (GMT)
Time’s a tricky thing to deal with. You can think of time either as a human creation meant to check and record an elapsed period of, well, time; or you can view it as the internalized sense of pulse that’s been built into our bodies, and the word only describes the basic instinct of man.
As physiologists describe it, our most internal sense of time if from our heartbeat. Some people, especially psychologists, attribute the darkness of death to the ceasing of the heart, and therefore the loss of our most basic “clock,” making everything seem as one dark aggregated mass of the endless flow of time; since we now no longer have the heart to guide our perception of time.
And yes, I’m sure the concept of time would have been perceived before the first Neanderthal perished. But if you want to be literal, I’m not sure the first prokaryote had the mindpower to discern the concept. >_>’
So yeah, I tend to look at time like that. Just a basic, instinctual internal “clock” that keeps the days from blending in. Plus; without time, I think everything would be kind of boring, yeah?
Saito - December 4, 2007 02:06 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Saito @ Nov 26 2007, 11:27 PM) |
| According to Archbishop Ussher of Ireland, the world was created at 9:00 A.M. on October 26 in the year of 4004 B.C. :hmm: |
ಠ_ಠ Listen...
Shiroko - December 4, 2007 10:34 PM (GMT)
Time is a concept of man. So Time isn't necessarily correct. What if time doesn't exist? All that matters is the key order of events that occurred within the day. That would be all no? Time separates past, present, and future. When in actuality, it isn't branched off as such. How do we know history books are correct? and what lies ahead in the future. time focuses more on those aspects does it not?