This question has been around for a long time, but what do you think is better? Me personally, I think ninjas are better, because how's the pirate suposed to fight back when the ninja takes him out from behind?

Pirates=Drunken rouges that pillage villages

Ninjas= highly trained assassins and espionage agents.

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Most of the time ninjas work alone, and if they're together it's usually in a small group. Pirate crews outnumber.

But in a 1 on 1...

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My friends and I constantly argue.

'Pirates will shoot you!' they say.

I say, 'Ninjas have stolen the bullets, turned their peg legs into peg toothpicks, probably killed a dozen people, and then turned the gun into a shoe by the time the pirate realizes.'

You forgot the rest of the combatants.

*hides bodies* What combatants?

This one time, my cousin and a bunch of his friends all had a pirates vs. ninjas war at his school, one half went as pirates and one as ninjas. This was during lunch, so the principle didn't think very highly of it, and they all had their weapons confiscated until the end of the year.


Just though I'd tell you

My position on this is a difficult one, considering I have had a fair share of experience hunting them both in order to add them to my rather dull breakfast cereal.

So, let's see... Modern pirates would most undoubtedly give Ninjas a harder time than the olden ones, what with the existence of automatic weapons and explosives and whatnot, but then, most Ninjas would be unafraid to use guns, themselves; combine that with their intense discipline and I'm pretty sure that Ninjas have the upper hand.

So yeah, I tip my hat to the shinobi.

Yeah...I hear they can download stolen music 10 times faster than they used to. :XD:

depends, pirates from when or what and what kind of Ninjas O.o

Not like the ones from Naruto. I ain't got anything against them personally, but real ninjas don't wear flourescent jump suits...

Yeah. Luckily real ninjas aren't at all like Naruto ninjas. In Naruto, only the bad guys rely on sneak tactics.

i like how you guys think i was talking about Naruto lol...

This is Naruto.

Naruto:*running through a dark forest, preparing to attack an enemy* There's no way that the enemy can detect me when I'm wearing an orange jumpsuit while self-narrating!

Nine Tailed Fox--
*Punched in the face for taking so long to announce his attack

NINJAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOT

Yeaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgh!

(That's the sound of a pirate getting karate chopped in the beans)

Pirates are fun drunks. Therefore they are >>>>>

Yeah, but when pirates are drunk, that's when the ninjas strike.

Are you kidding me? Ninjas attacking drunken pirates? You don't attack a fucking drunk pirate. Plus, how the hell are ninjas going to sneak up on a pirate ship in the ocean, when there are obvious scouts that look for any boats or swimmers? Plus, even if they do get on the boat, these pirates have real muscles. REAL, MUSCLES. Those pussies can't hold a candle to pirates. Plus, in the dark, pirates are trained to see. I don't remember the site I read it up on, but some pirates wore an eyepatch because one eye is for daytime and the other is left in the dark to better adapt it to the darkness. even if that's not biologically possible it still proves that they are "trained" for night time battles.

D: Whoa.

I am the best assassin in existence. I wait for them to die of old age. They wouldn't see that coming.

And in the case of ninjas vs pirates, ladies, I can't stress this enough.

While it is true than nowadays pirates( in the terms of general ANYTHING piracy, like movies, etc.) outnumber ninjas, you forget that ninjas have the best weaponry. Oh, you have cannon and guns and swords! NINJAS INVENTED ROCKETS. WHAT NOW A HAR HAR HAR *cough hack* FUCK.

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In Debate board, as the description says I assume you would take it more seriously. -_-

So, as you don't have a real serious argument, I assume my point still stands, unchallenged by any intelligent post.

Of course, this topic can not be debated fairly due to the fact ninja history is not documented well enough.

The plausible speculations will suffice, though. After all, I doubt people

As logical as your statement may seem, fighting against an opponent impaired by alcohol is a good strategy. Yeah, he may go freaking berserker on your ass, but berserkers aren't well known for being able to use their heads; drunken berserkers will likely kill themselves by accident before beating a ninja.

Ninjas aren't stupid. Pirates aren't always at sea; if that were true, they'd all die of scurvy. Unless they're highly retarded ninjas, they're going to plan ahead, and place their men where the pirates would be docking next, ready to strike when the time is right. Pirates aren't exactly bright enough anticipate that kind of attack, you know. Thus, ninjas have a tactical advantage right there.

Confucius say: "Muscles don't mean shit in a sword fight." A ninja sure as hell won't go into a fight unarmed. Ever; especially not when fighting against pirates. And it doesn't matter how physically powerful they are. Pirates are hulking muscle-brains. Ninjas are trained to be swift; what they lack in raw muscle, they make up for agility and technique. They have skill. What does that mean? Whereas ninjas probably couldn't even bruise a pirate with a kick, pirates probably couldn't even touch a ninja with anything short of a gun. And swords are lethal no matter how muscular you are.

Huge muscles can't stop a sword very well, sadly.

To make this even simpler, we can put it this way: take Bruce Lee, give him a sword, and put him up against a drunken Blackbeard.

Who do you have your money on?

As an added bonus, they're trained to use anything and EVERYTHING as a weapon.

Sasuke, for example, created clouds and LIGHTNING-BOLT-BITCH'D Itachi. With the exception of Susano'o. And Yata's Mirror. And...well, fuck me. ANYTHING is a weapon, it seems.

And don't go preaching that pirates are more suited to nautical warfare and as such have advantage on the high seas, because as Moku pointed out, ninja are never unprepared.

Besides, knowing ninja, not that I do, but I assume they'd set up various explosive and/or incinerator based devices, then launch a flaming arrow from about 400 yards and basically nuke the ship, then pick off the survivors with various shuriken, projectile, et-cetera.

Finally, an intelligent post. Time to bring out the big guns, it's going to get hot. This should be fun, Mokujin.

From what I know, ninjas are also trained to predict their opponent's movements on a 1v1, as implied from you. Drunk people get that advantage of being unpredictable but yes, point taken.

Well this is implied of course, that they knew of each other; not the case seeing as they're from opposite sides of the world. Pirates expect attacks from other pirates or the navy, because... of ships. Now, assuming that they knew each other existed, the pirate captains would alert their men to be on the lookout should such an ambush occur.

Pirates have been known to be ridiculously dirty, and don't honor the 1v1 code. But seeing as morals don't exist in the field of battle, that works just fine. Plus pirates are in groups so there's going to be a lot of backstabbing. Oh, and as we're talking about real situations, so there's no supernatural ninjas taking on more than 2-3 pirates at once without getting injured, unfortunately (unless of course this ninja is a god and/or the pirates in questions are really stupid/amateurs at combat). This includes going completely out of sight in a second unless that seriously is possible for every single ninja. And yes, ninja may travel in groups, so I think that balances out.

wtf no fair bruce lee is too pro for everyone :(

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And for Endling...

Ninjas use short swords, generally. They're not TRAINED to use anything and everything... Most are just resourceful, and will steal a weapon if at all.

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And yet... they generally do, as pirates spend all their time in the water unless they go plunder a village, restock on supplies, or go get drunk in a tavern. Oceans are like Pirates' backyard, giving a good explanation why the navy had such a hard time. Pirates are just as experienced at nautical warfare as the trained navy, which gives them an advantage. However ninjas could easily be trained or just be skilled enough to negate that advantage.

They had firecracker devices used for diversions; let's stick to the actual technology they had. Also, uh. 400 feet? With Fire? They won't see that and be prepared to get the carpenters to repair immediate damage?

400 yds. And its an arrow.

That's even further btw, and... that doesn't change anything. They will STILL see it, as they have telescopes.

But even before such training, ninjas should have been trained to react quickly to any attack. You don't try to predict an opponent's attack unless you know you actually have to speed and agility to block or counter it.

A realistic ninja, I remember reading, is also a spy, meaning that he excels at making his presence unknown. This can mean that ninjas would be able to infiltrate a pirate ship as he assumes the identity of his enemies. And due to the suspicion, the ninja can start a self-destructive fight on the ship.

Ninjas aren't exactly clean fighters as well you know. Wasn't that one of the reasons that the ninja and the samurai fought? The samurai stuck to the code of honor while the ninja stuck to the code of deceit and the shadows.

And the fire arrow question, this could easily be done if there were two teams working against a pirate ship. One for distraction while the other shot the arrow. And it'll probably be easy to distract pirates as they are supersticious and as you pointed out, ninjas can use diversion tactics.

Oh, and wouldn't ninjas also be strengthened in night seeing since they require it if they're going to perform missions under the cover of dark.

Rofl. For your points, Elec... I can't think of anything at the moment XD I'll get back to you after I take the ACT tomorrow

Fo' Sho'.

Apparently, this isn't just some casual debate.

Ninjas are way cooler than pirates. I don't know why you don't think so, but it's true. Look up the story of it, it explains it all.

Uh, no. Thinking who is cooler is entirely OPINION. Not truth; plus a love for ninjas are usually attached to a child's "worshipping" of stretched truth in cartoons. Not that they aren't amazing, or it's always from a child's point of view, but let my opinion be my opinion. Plus the only people who rightfully claim winning rights on this debate against me are Elecninja and Mokujin if he had/or will post in response to my points as well.

And Orochi, rofl. I didn't know that existed.

Yeah, I guess ur right, but....


PIRATES ARE WAY COOLER THAN NINJAS!!!
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Elecninja nailed a good number of the points. There are still a few things I'd like to clean up here, though.

You're borrowing the concept of drunken boxing, a martial art derived from the movements of the body when drunk to create a degree of unpredictability, but I'm sure you know there is no actual drunkenness involved. While it is true that a ninja would be less capable of predicting a drunken pirate, it's equally true that the pirate will be even less capable of knowing what the hell he's doing in the fight, let alone his skilled martial artist of an opponent.

That's the only weapon they need, really. A ninja's skill as a swordsman is bound to outclass that of the common pirate. As I said earlier, pirates are brutes, ninjas are swift. Swords cut no matter who wields them.

To an extent, I'll yield to that point. Direct nautical warfare is where a pirate crew would have the upper hand. But, again, ninjas are masters of the shadows, and wield deception as their main weapon. It would be incredibly plausible for them to pull such acts as disguising their ship as a luxury liner to lure the pirates into a trap.

What pirate would miss out on a chance to pillage a hapless group of rich snobs?

Well, we know that gunpowder must have existed. While I'm not sure about firecrackers and the like, I wouldn't put it beneath a ninja's skills to employ the use of gunpowder in creative ways, such as making smoke bombs.

Ninjas were trained assassins. Pirates were basically a bunch of thugs who had a ship, and went around stealing from defenseless ships and such. They weren't highly trained warriors or anything.

Cold, Honorless killer or High seas thugs and robbers... Hmm. Well, in truth, both have advantages, which from what I've read has already been covered mostly. I'm more interested into the question of why they would even fight? The best thing i can think of is maybe pirates rob someone of interest in Japan, who in turn hire ninjas to take care of the problem.

However, there are even some issues with that. Quite possibly, depending on the group of pirates, there could be no one left to even hire said ninjas, and not all pirates even stick around the same area. Meaning after getting done with this place, they could just leave the area completely, and it probably wouldn't be very practical for the ninjas to chase them on the seas if that's the case, though as Mokujin mentioned, if they are local pirates, that cruise liner idea could work. Probably, the only other way would be in a local area where they are getting drunk, in which case if there were an entire band of ninjas *Who's going to hire ONE ninja to go after a ship full of Pirates?*, the fight would probably be over before it began, especially if they happened to be in a flammable area, which it probably would be. Drunk pirates plus burning building equals most likely mass hysteria. And, as survivors run out, well placed archers far away*probably using either guns or crossbows* could simply be patient and pick them off. So, I guess I choose Ninjas.

Another point, while not always the case *There is at least a few smart pirates, probably in the leadership roles*, the average ninja would probably be smarter than a pirate, which is a major advantage no matter how you slice it. Oh, a bunch of pirates, most of whom probably liking the idea of 'hooking' up with a woman, would also be totally unprepared for hot 'innocent', women ninja

well ya ok. But we're not arguing just battle aspects. Everything else I do like Pirates more about as well. :(

Never really thought about the other aspects of a vs thing... In that respect, Pirates may be better. From what I remember, when not doing ninja things, some were farmers, and other fairly common things*though, exceptions were probably there* and something tells me that people like that weren't exactly the most cheery people in the world. Pirates, on the other hand. If you catch one in a mood of them not wanting to gut you, they would probably be more fun. Though, in truth, to each their own.