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Title: Are We Ready?


Neo101 - April 9, 2008 01:29 AM (GMT)
This is just something that's been eating me alive with the elections coming up. This has really been an interesting time for all of the candidates. Mccain is the only Republican left, and on the democratic side we have Obama and Clinton.

Now I think in the end it's going to be Obama vs. Mccain. I hope to God that Clinton doesn't get in. I just don't like her and right now I believe the popular vote is with Obama. No I don't pay attention to the charts. I like to stick with my own opinion.

But anyway I'm getting a but off topic. What I really wanted to ask is, Do you think America is ready for a black or female president? In my opinion I say no.

Tennet - April 9, 2008 01:30 AM (GMT)
racist i wish huckabee was still in it... booo

Saint PhantomZero - April 9, 2008 01:33 AM (GMT)
Why should it matter what race our President is, when he/she may be a great leader? Yes, it's going against the norm, but you can't really say that's a valid reason.

My opinions on the elections is this. If Hilary wins the primary, then McCain will win. If Obama wins the primary, then there's a chance it'll be either one of them.

Zerorush - April 9, 2008 01:51 AM (GMT)
I don't really think America even cares at this point, if anyone did you'd still be seeing people on TV ranting and debating on Hilary's lack of a pen0r and Obama's skin tone.

On another note, I don't want Hilary in office. The woman is very pro censorship and during her time as a senator has been a supporter of laws restricting the sales of videogames and other media.

She doesn't talk about those little views of hers right now on the campaign trail though for some mysterious reason...cant imagine why =P

Neo101 - April 9, 2008 01:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Tennet @ Apr 8 2008, 08:30 PM)
racist

No, No I'm not. But it's hard to explain. A lot of people out there are... how should I put this? simpletons. They're well... simple people. They're afraid of what they don't understand, and they don't want anything else from completely normal. I just don't think that the majority of America is ready for something like this.

Saint PhantomZero - April 9, 2008 02:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Neo101 @ Apr 8 2008, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE (Tennet @ Apr 8 2008, 08:30 PM)
racist

No, No I'm not. But it's hard to explain. A lot of people out there are... how should I put this? simpletons. They're well... simple people. They're afraid of what they don't understand, and they don't want anything else from completely normal. I just don't think that the majority of America is ready for something like this.

If you look at the amount of supporters Obama has, then no, not really. At this time the times have really changed, and I think people are fine with a black president, although not majorly. After all, most of Hilary's votes come from Republicans who want to fuck up their campaign. I mean, within the last month, Obama has received up 40 Million in donations for support, while Hilary has a measly 20 Million, in comparison to Obama's support.

Tennet - April 9, 2008 02:26 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Neo101 @ Apr 8 2008, 09:55 PM)
QUOTE (Tennet @ Apr 8 2008, 08:30 PM)
racist

No, No I'm not. But it's hard to explain. A lot of people out there are... how should I put this? simpletons. They're well... simple people. They're afraid of what they don't understand, and they don't want anything else from completely normal. I just don't think that the majority of America is ready for something like this.

i know i was joking, thats why it was crossed out

Tempo - April 9, 2008 11:10 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Zerorush @ Apr 8 2008, 08:51 PM)
On another note, I don't want Hilary in office. The woman is very pro censorship and during her time as a senator has been a supporter of laws restricting the sales of videogames and other media.

Noez j00r n0t t@3k1n m@h V1d30g@m3z *goes to kill Clinton*

If Clinton is going to censor my M rated games and my R rated movies, she can burn in hell for all I care. [insanity]*hugs M games and R movies* I love you guys.[/insanity]

I'd much rather see Obama in office. I can see he relates to people more and he is a great guy... He just needs to take down that Obama girl and get Will.i.am to MP3-ify his pro-Obama speech-songs.

Graham Aker - April 9, 2008 06:26 PM (GMT)
This doesn’t completely answer the prompt, but I will say this. If in the end it comes down to Obama winning the Democratic nomination and McCain winning the Republican nomination, the chances strongly lean towards Senator McCain winning the presidential election. Why? Simply on race issues. The majority of the United States is still today Caucasian. You can give Obama all the minorities you want, but in the end, when the Caucasian majority votes towards McCain, McCain wins. Now you might argue that when looking at the Primaries that Obama has a strong chance of fighting McCain off, that’s not entirely true. The presidential election is a whole different game then the primaries. It’s down to just two nominees, the democratic representative and the republican representative. When it comes to that, all the states Obama won, all the white states to be specific are going to go with McCain. It’s not a racist issue, it’s just that humans tend to be secular and colonial creatures. Race tends to stay within race. I’m sure at any level of schooling besides below junior high, you’ll see that blacks tend to hang out with blacks, whites tend to stay with whites.

Now, you can argue that “Oh, well this is America and we’re not restricted by the social norms, we vote for whoever we want to vote for!” Bullshit. The average American voter is extremely limited by social norms are race issues. You ask any random person on the street who they want to vote for, and they’ll most likely have an answer. Then you ask them why and they suddenly turn into Rain Man. “Dur, because he’s black and he’s hip!” Face it. The average American voter isn’t your political analyst. They don’t care about the nominee’s political views. They vote solely based on image and social norm.

Now, that’s just the best case scenario. You realize that not 100% of the minorities and blacks will vote for Obama, and not 100% of the whites will vote for McCain. Still, comparatively, when you take the ratio of Caucasian voters to minority voters in the United States, it leans heavily towards Caucasian, who in the end, will vote the majority towards Senator McCain.

In the end, it doesn’t come down to funding or advertising, speeches broadcasted nationwide and dirt dug up on the other nominee. It comes down to, is the stupid voter greater than the intelligent voter in America? Unfortunately, that answer seems to lean towards “yes” as it is.

So the question shouldn’t be are we ready for a black president, it should be “Can the American voting public vote based off of political ideals and not simplistic beliefs?”

Then again, you should take into account the small percentage of voters who actually follow each candidate’s political values. Because then I think it comes down to how Obama never definitively speaks of what he’ll do, it’s always just, “I’ll bring positive change.” And then of course, McCain’s whole “I’ll protect you all from terrorists,” and “let’s instate a draft!” Yeah, that’ll fly over real well with all the female voters who are mothers. Face it, Obama is somewhat wishy-washy and McCain’s a war hawk.

Just my two cents.

Zerorush - April 9, 2008 07:03 PM (GMT)
Caucasians the majority? I think you should take a look at this page and add up the numbers =P

White people are looking pretty out numbered to me :slowpoke:

EDIT: LOL, okay I stand corrected. I think I did my math wrong :thizz: Whitey has the majority =B

Graham Aker - April 9, 2008 07:20 PM (GMT)
Caucasians: 221,331,507
Combined Other Minorities: 122,319,256

:thizz:

Insaniholic - April 9, 2008 09:59 PM (GMT)
Meh. I hate all the candidates. I usually just vote for the one that sucks the least. That was off-topic...

Anyways, my opinion on this situation is that most of America is against this kind of stuff, saying, "Black men can't be president" or "Woman can't be president". that's most of America. However, there is still a small fraction of America that are more open-minded to this topic, and they say it's fine. But if it's regarding everybody, I say no.

Tanis Saidur - April 12, 2008 02:30 AM (GMT)
Personally, I think America is ready for whatever it creates. We've adapted to dramatic shifts in leadership and political powers before, as well as other huge , nation-wide issues. In the end, no matter who wins, the fact still remains that America is gonna go on a different course than it is now, and we'll have no choice but to accept and adapt.

Also, I think all the candidates can go blow their campaigns out their asses; I'm voting for Eisenhower. Now there's a great guy. "We like Ike!"




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