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Title: CHANGE in EXE Warriors


Saint PhantomZero - June 5, 2008 02:06 AM (GMT)
The staff have been talking, and we've come to a conclusion.

We're changing the board. We've come to the realization why the RPG has lost so much interest. The RPG works like an RPG one would usually find on a console RPG, which is clearly not fit for a text-based RPG. Also, to be blunt the RPG is too boring. It's a well designed system but it takes too long to do anything, and it's too complicated for the audience we have. So, what are the future plans for EXE Warriors?

1) 3.0 will be a much less complicated 2.0, and much more user friendly.
2) We're shifting away from the Battle Network theme and going to custom theme, very similar to the X Series. Why? Because Battle Network is a bit old, and the older series are more popular by far. And more flexible to play with. Our new battle system will see a huge shift in mechanics. (If necessary we can change the name of our board.)

More details will be released at a later time, but we would like to hear what all of you have to say. What you all think. And no, we're not bringing back 1.5. We're planning to change what we have for 3.0 completely, and make a better system. One that is hopefully much more fun for you all, and for us.

PhantomRiku - June 5, 2008 02:12 AM (GMT)
Sounds like a good plan PZ. It hurts me to say it, but I noticed that EXEW had been on a downward trend lately, and both I and other members had agreed it was partially due to lack of interest in the RPG; and the loss of an influx of new members due to the trickling popularity of the Battle Network series. After all, it is about what, 2 years old now?

I look forward to these new changes and hope it’ll better the board and the experience, help us gain an influx of new members; and bring the site back to its old glory. Ah, the good old days when we used to be insanely active…

(H)

Overall, sounds like a good move from the staff to bring life back to EXEW; and I personally am looking forward to what 3.0 will bring and the shift to Zetaboards which is a huge plus. The future of EXEW seems so much brighter now.

:nomnomnom:


My thoughts

Feez - June 5, 2008 02:20 AM (GMT)
Sounds good. I think I'll get involved with the RPG in 3.0 :)

SaitoHikari - June 5, 2008 03:42 AM (GMT)
I wish we could keep it like this, but then again, I can't help but observe that EXEW is going down at this rate. About time something is done with regards to this...

Although I said I wanted EXE to stay the way it was, I guess a change to another system is for the good of this RPG.

Skwuck-kun ^_^ - June 5, 2008 04:18 AM (GMT)
True true. The site has been pretty inactive and I admit, figuring out the stats was a little tricky. But once the basics are down, it's fun for the most part I guess. I've just kinda barely been getting into it. ^_^; But who said this change would be bad? Meh, I'm with Saito. I kinda want things to stay like they are. But a new system would make things a lot easier on some of the newer members that would come to this site.

TKDarkness - June 5, 2008 09:20 AM (GMT)
I think we lost the appeal to newer members because the system was more confusing than 2.0 of last year (first 2.0! Yay?), so they gave up trying to figure it out. Took me a while to figure it out..... but it seems a lot more fun than before, in early 2.0 and 1.0. I agree with Skwuck and Saito, it'd be a shame to see all this hard work go to waste with a new system, but it'd be beneficial to change to encourage more new members to join.

. . . . . And nice use of slogans.

Pikachu - June 5, 2008 01:38 PM (GMT)
Awesomeness! Maybe we could add the dorms I suggested with 3.0!

Saint PhantomZero - June 5, 2008 01:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pikachu @ Jun 5 2008, 08:38 AM)
Awesomeness! Maybe we could add the dorms I suggested with 3.0!

With the setting we have we're not going to have dorms, but I want to add in guilds/factions.

Pikachu - June 5, 2008 01:45 PM (GMT)
Pwnage! Can me and Neon Prower be in the same guild? Pikaman and Silhouetteman are known as: "The Pikhouette Brothers!"

Saint PhantomZero - June 5, 2008 01:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Pikachu @ Jun 5 2008, 08:45 AM)
Pwnage! Can me and Neon Prower be in the same guild? Pikaman and Silhouetteman are known as: "The Pikhouette Brothers!"

The way I have it planned at the moment, you'll choose your own guilds.

Pikachu - June 5, 2008 01:49 PM (GMT)
Yay! This is gonna rock! Can I help? I am part worker,even though im a kid! I even edited a ton of helpful pages on Wikipedia to make them more helpful and they never got deleted! :)

SaitoHikari - June 5, 2008 01:56 PM (GMT)
Well, non-admins like us can always lend a hand for this, right? I know I'm willing to.

Pikachu - June 5, 2008 01:58 PM (GMT)
Yep. Just because we aren't admins doesn't mean we can't help! But how can I help....?

SaitoHikari - June 5, 2008 03:33 PM (GMT)
We can always offer suggestions through different ways, like posting in a suggestion thread or PMing an admin. That might help.

Saint PhantomZero - June 5, 2008 03:59 PM (GMT)
Once I get the main sheet of ideas posted in the staff area, the staff (including the System Ops) will help throw some ideas in and out. Then what will probably happen is that we'll start showing you guys the ideas and you can provide criticism.

Shadowman - June 5, 2008 06:09 PM (GMT)
I not really active, but I was wondering. The theme here has been the Battle Network Series. Thats really how we got the name "EXE Warriors." If we change to a custom style whould that start a change of the name of the Fourm. Just wondering. :huh:

Masaki - June 5, 2008 08:01 PM (GMT)
This is kinda of shocking but very understandable. I myself am an Battle Network fan, however, as stated before Battle Network's fanbase is not only fading but almost dead. Switching to the older series is definetly the right choice since Starforce wasn't that great either, although I do recommend a more Zero/ZX theme since that still ties in with the X series and is more recent. Just remember though, the dynasty that is Megaman is definetly losing its steam as every year goes by so this change could be more of life support than a rebirth. Maybe our best chance is pleading with Capcom to put more effort into the series... T__T

Saint PhantomZero - June 5, 2008 08:12 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Masaki @ Jun 5 2008, 03:01 PM)
Switching to the older series is definetly the right choice since Starforce wasn't that great either, although I do recommend a more Zero/ZX theme since that still ties in with the X series and is more recent.

We would but we decided that the X series was way more flexible. Seeing as MMZ is a barren wasteland with scare resources and that MMZX demands a complete change and forces us into using Biometals; otherwise it's not MMZX

Darth Osiris - June 6, 2008 01:24 AM (GMT)
I still think a Star Force RP would be the way to go. After all, we were all anticipating how great Star Force would be, only to find it to be too much like Battle Network. Not to mention the lackluster battle system. The luxury of a message board is that we can add a lot more depth to the characters, to the battlles, and to the series itself. Of course, we would have to have some sort of battle system in place still, but I think if we can take the current battle system, tweak it for Star Force (vertical grid instead of horizontal), and make it more user friendly, this board may yet have a chance.

PhantomRiku - June 6, 2008 02:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Darth Osiris @ Jun 5 2008, 06:24 PM)
I still think a Star Force RP would be the way to go. After all, we were all anticipating how great Star Force would be, only to find it to be too much like Battle Network. Not to mention the lackluster battle system. The luxury of a message board is that we can add a lot more depth to the characters, to the battlles, and to the series itself. Of course, we would have to have some sort of battle system in place still, but I think if we can take the current battle system, tweak it for Star Force (vertical grid instead of horizontal), and make it more user friendly, this board may yet have a chance.

Honestly, I think the low popularity of Starforce thanks to its terrible system and unlikable characters will tend to make new members stray away from the site instead approaching it.

From what I've heard, the general populations outlook on Starforce is that it's crap; thus I think having a Starforce themed board will halt the influx of new members just as much as the board staying a Battle Network theme. We stay; very few new members due to the dwindling popularity of the series, we change to Starforce; very few new members thanks to the fact that Starforce sucked royally.

I think the idea to stray towards a X styled board/theme would be a good idea, as that series seems to keep sparking interest with the population.

Also, it's my understanding that PZ despises the Starforce series. :slowpoke:

Saint PhantomZero - June 6, 2008 03:11 AM (GMT)
Starforce is a sad disgrace to the world of Megaman. Seeing as no one LIKES Starforce, any advertisement would die miserably. Plus, the new battle system in the making should be much more simple, and yet fun.

QUOTE
Also, it's my understanding that PZ despises the Starforce series. :slowpoke:


hay ur rite

Masaki - June 6, 2008 04:09 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (PhantomRiku @ Jun 5 2008, 09:29 PM)
I think the idea to stray towards a X styled board/theme would be a good idea, as that series seems to keep sparking interest with the population.

The argument for what series EXEW will focus on is really cut and dry. Just to avoid anymore confusion and/or more posts one the same thing, here is the general opinion of the Megaman series (In my opinion =P)

Megaman - Nostalgia heaven, however, finding new members won't be any easier, a little too ancient.

Megaman X - Obviously the front runner. X probally has the strongest fanbase right now. Everyone who knows even a little Megaman knows X.

Megaman Legends - Megaman what? Honestly, I thought this was a good series even though It had only 3 games.... and only one was good >_> More of a fine wine or in other words, No.

Megaman Battle Network - Battle Network's fanbase was very strong for the first 3 games, especially the 3rd in the sub series, however, all of BN1-3s work was demolished by the abomination that is BN4. BN5-6 didn't really make it much better which is why we are discussing this now.

Zero/ZX - I'm putting these together because they were very similar and it's late and I'm tired, maybe not as strong as X, maybe stronger however, PZ already said the reasons why we are going here a a Main focus

Starforce - Um... yeah. The Bastard child of the series, brother of Legends. We are not going here so don't worry about this one >_>

As you guys can now see, we don't really have a choice with what series we will represent but what would be the next step?

Death the Kid - June 6, 2008 05:06 AM (GMT)
I miss the good old days where Classic was around. Classic...ah...think about it. Puzzling levels, character names were easy to remember, and they didn't all resemble a gross hodgepodge of armor and animals. You kick a few robot asses, take their weapons, then head off to the next one. I tried playing ZX, but honestly, no. Nonono. I got stuck at a part barely after the beginning. I asked my friend who beat it and he said some crazy backwards shit. Ah, Classic. Go here, kick robot ass, then go here, repeat.

Simplicity.

And even though EXE gave use new designs for bosses with more internet and technology based...I'd like to see that sort of creativity in a new setting. A MegaMan Classic game that sums up both the first and second games in one epic adventure.

....Hold on, I'm going to redesign Robot masters.

Saint PhantomZero - June 6, 2008 05:21 AM (GMT)
Well, what we hope that 3.0 will bring is a Megaman X feeling but on a next level, while not being too complex. For example, we may be bringing the VWS (Variable Weapons System) to the table.

Rossebay - June 6, 2008 07:51 PM (GMT)
I'm going to say this.
I think it's useless to try to make an RPG more interesting, this one anyway. Most of us have seen EXEW as a chat forum with a little text based game as an add on. If we're not active in the RPG with a Navi already, what makes you think we'll be active in this?
I'm not trying to start flaming, or anything of the sort, if I come off as rude, but EXEW, other than missions, has been a chat forum.

I know, some of you out there are active in the RPG, but, looking at the amount of us who aren't...
Teams failed as well. It was a cool idea and all, but only 1 team battle shows that the member's interests, as a mass, aren't RPG based.

Now for a 'tips' side:
If you do plan on making this an active RPG, use the RP part of it, not a turned based battle.
For profiles, don't use confusing stats that discourage us, don't make it cost to modify (It's not like we have a notorious stat changer), and don't make it too long.
For the actual RP of it, don't clump it all in one thread, and don't have everyone battle in the same one. Make mutliple threads with multiple areas.
Guilds... Make us apply. We don't want to choose from 3 guilds, but we don't want 5000000 guilds because we want to be cool and have a guild. And, guilds should have leaders, who recruit officers, and members. Maybe off tasks leaders create, but stick to a simple system.

That concludes what popped into my head upon reading the first few messages.

Masaki - June 6, 2008 08:26 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Rossebay @ Jun 6 2008, 02:51 PM)
I'm going to say this.
I think it's useless to try to make an RPG more interesting, this one anyway.  Most of us have seen EXEW as a chat forum with a little text based game as an add on.  If we're not active in the RPG with a Navi already, what makes you think we'll be active in this?
I'm not trying to start flaming, or anything of the sort, if I come off as rude, but EXEW, other than missions, has been a chat forum.

I know, some of you out there are active in the RPG, but, looking at the amount of us who aren't...
Teams failed as well.  It was a cool idea and all, but only 1 team battle shows that the member's interests, as a mass, aren't RPG based.

Now for a 'tips' side:
If you do plan on making this an active RPG, use the RP part of it, not a turned based battle.
For profiles, don't use confusing stats that discourage us, don't make it cost to modify (It's not like we have a notorious stat changer), and don't make it too long.
For the actual RP of it, don't clump it all in one thread, and don't have everyone battle in the same one.  Make mutliple threads with multiple areas.
Guilds...  Make us apply.  We don't want to choose from 3 guilds, but we don't want 5000000 guilds because we want to be cool and have a guild.  And, guilds should have leaders, who recruit officers, and members.  Maybe off tasks leaders create, but stick to a simple system.

That concludes what popped into my head upon reading the first few messages.

This is truth. You couldn't sum it up any better.

Saint PhantomZero - June 6, 2008 08:36 PM (GMT)
The stats we have so far are rather... straightforward. VERY straightforward. The point of the new RPG was to give it the old 1.5 feel yet not being 1.5 at all.

I half-disagree with the first statement. When EXEW was first made people saw it as an RPG for the next three years. It's only been the last year and a little more that people saw it as a chat forum.

QUOTE
Now for a 'tips' side:
If you do plan on making this an active RPG, use the RP part of it, not a turned based battle.
For profiles, don't use confusing stats that discourage us, don't make it cost to modify (It's not like we have a notorious stat changer), and don't make it too long.
For the actual RP of it, don't clump it all in one thread, and don't have everyone battle in the same one. Make mutliple threads with multiple areas.
Guilds... Make us apply. We don't want to choose from 3 guilds, but we don't want 5000000 guilds because we want to be cool and have a guild. And, guilds should have leaders, who recruit officers, and members. Maybe off tasks leaders create, but stick to a simple system.


We can use this. For example, we could do something with RP Battles giving rewards.

Edit: I believe KKL had something going for that...

Ejsaxdude - June 6, 2008 08:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Masaki @ Jun 6 2008, 03:26 PM)
QUOTE (Rossebay @ Jun 6 2008, 02:51 PM)
I'm going to say this.
I think it's useless to try to make an RPG more interesting, this one anyway.  Most of us have seen EXEW as a chat forum with a little text based game as an add on.  If we're not active in the RPG with a Navi already, what makes you think we'll be active in this?
I'm not trying to start flaming, or anything of the sort, if I come off as rude, but EXEW, other than missions, has been a chat forum.

I know, some of you out there are active in the RPG, but, looking at the amount of us who aren't...
Teams failed as well.  It was a cool idea and all, but only 1 team battle shows that the member's interests, as a mass, aren't RPG based.

Now for a 'tips' side:
If you do plan on making this an active RPG, use the RP part of it, not a turned based battle.
For profiles, don't use confusing stats that discourage us, don't make it cost to modify (It's not like we have a notorious stat changer), and don't make it too long.
For the actual RP of it, don't clump it all in one thread, and don't have everyone battle in the same one.  Make mutliple threads with multiple areas.
Guilds...  Make us apply.  We don't want to choose from 3 guilds, but we don't want 5000000 guilds because we want to be cool and have a guild.  And, guilds should have leaders, who recruit officers, and members.  Maybe off tasks leaders create, but stick to a simple system.

That concludes what popped into my head upon reading the first few messages.

This is truth. You couldn't sum it up any better.

I'll have to agree as well, and Ross has some great ideas.


Currently restraining self from ranting... =D

MarkHurinachi - June 6, 2008 10:58 PM (GMT)
im not sure i think it would be a good idea if its not writing anymore because i get tired of waisting tons of time typing in my stats i like battlenetwork more but the old version (X) is the best way to go for an RPG

Kayne Argand - June 6, 2008 11:01 PM (GMT)
Wasting time on your stats is what makes it fun, actually. Think about how long Netto worked with Rockman, upgrading him battling with him. He spent all that time to make his NetNavi stronger.

Personally, I waste about 4 hours every weekend trying to figure out my next upgrade.

Blades - June 7, 2008 12:46 AM (GMT)
The X Series? Oh god... But, I may come back a bit now, and I'll try to help you guys out. I lost my link and I've been busy, but maybe I'll help a bit this summer.

Tennet - June 7, 2008 01:01 AM (GMT)
...Netto and Rockman are like one...

and i love RnR...

and being lazy i'm not to enthusiastic about stats and things but i don't mind any change really unless its something really stupid

Aya - June 7, 2008 01:07 PM (GMT)
I'd take on a staff position if you needed me to, RP mod or something, I'd be happy to help in any way I could.

Kayne Argand - June 7, 2008 02:06 PM (GMT)
We may need some staff, seeing as three people just got bumped to System Operator, but that's up to the admins.

Pikachu - June 7, 2008 02:14 PM (GMT)
Oh pick me pick me! (raises hand) I would LOVE to be a staff! PICKMEPICKMEPICKME

Death the Kid - June 7, 2008 02:29 PM (GMT)
Kid, you're half their age. I've been here since...05', was it?...Can't remember...

Rossebay - June 7, 2008 02:36 PM (GMT)
Cole... There are alot of people vying for staff positions, very responsible people, mature people.
You haven't hit that age yet, wait it out.

PhantomRiku - June 7, 2008 05:41 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Death the Kid @ Jun 7 2008, 07:29 AM)
Kid, you're half their age. I've been here since...05', was it?...Can't remember...

It's uh, pretty obvious that join date has nothing to do with staff positions. You've been pretty damn inactive so don't go around tooting your own horn yet.

And you said it yourself, he's a kid; so lay off. That's just common kid behavior, leave him be for Christ's sake. He's what, 9? I'm pretty sure you don't feel like competing with every elementary schooler you see; so don't compete with this one. Jesus.

There are plenty of other reasons you could've said except his age. It was just an unnecessary comment. So don't get all arrogant and start competing with someone who's 9.

Everyone just lay of the kid. He does stupid crap; we know, but it's because he's a kid.

Then again; this isn't the time or place for this. You got any beef with me take it to PMs.

Pikachu - June 7, 2008 06:54 PM (GMT)
I think the StarForce would be great. Because then we can merge and become our rightful navis and also say those cool sayings (what I would say):

D.N.A FORCE WAVE CHANGE COLE! ON AIR!

Then you transform to your navi. ITS COOL. Should we do it? And can I help if we are making XWarriors,StarForceWarriors etc.

Death the Kid - June 7, 2008 07:19 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (PhantomRiku @ Jun 7 2008, 12:41 PM)
QUOTE (Death the Kid @ Jun 7 2008, 07:29 AM)
Kid, you're half their age. I've been here since...05', was it?...Can't remember...

It's uh, pretty obvious that join date has nothing to do with staff positions. You've been pretty damn inactive so don't go around tooting your own horn yet.

And you said it yourself, he's a kid; so lay off. That's just common kid behavior, leave him be for Christ's sake. He's what, 9? I'm pretty sure you don't feel like competing with every elementary schooler you see; so don't compete with this one. Jesus.

There are plenty of other reasons you could've said except his age. It was just an unnecessary comment. So don't get all arrogant and start competing with someone who's 9.

Everyone just lay of the kid. He does stupid crap; we know, but it's because he's a kid.

Then again; this isn't the time or place for this. You got any beef with me take it to PMs.

I merely meant that age and understanding often have meaning in deciding staff positions. And I may not have been posting, but that's only because there's been nothing to post about.

And I might as well be competing with 9-year-olds, our standards in this day in age have hit rock bottom. I ran across 7th graders, 11 year olds, who told me to go fuck myself.

Damn morals kept me from throwing their tiny asses in front of a moving bus.

And I said I've been here a long time, I know a little more than he would. And that was when I was old enough to join, back when we had an age limit.

The good ol' days. Back when no one under 13 could get in. But we managed, and that's only because they gave exception. But seriously, 9? It's a good series, but sometimes there needs to be some discrimination.

But seriously, and on topic, if we move, great. Another one. I was barely getting used to the semi-new EXEW as it was.




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