my life long dream is to become immortal, so far, so good. though how do you achieve this?

one form of possible immortality is a gene found in cancer that prevents it from rotting, thus if this gene can be incoprated into a human without harm the body will more or less, stop aging.

but the heart could still give out, but that may be remedeed with a heat transplant, the donor could very well be a clone of yourself.

But what of sudden heat attacks that you weren't expecting for 50 years of so, well, people have made a super blood which has the ability to take the place of blood while you are being treated.

then there's the threat of being shot. but here comes one of my favorite scientific creations (actually, they haven't made it but it is possible). now a dissabled person (from the neck) can have a chip inserted into their skull so it can read brain waves and allow him to use a computer, such as a thought to move the left arm will move the mouse left and so on. if that technology is improved on to match every thought of movement with a biomechanical suit of armour (such as with the Halo Spartan II suits, or Warhammer 40K Space Marine Power Armour) then you would become impervious to almost all types of damage, as long as you stay of the battlefield.

then with the suits of armour increasing your strength 10 times over you can crust everything in your path with the strength of a tank and the manuveability of an infantry unit, and hide inside a fortess with turrets and cannons with armour so thick it could withstand anything short of a direct neuclear bomb on the roof. or maybe you could place the fortress in space, tho creat orbital bombardments on your enemies below. and you could control you body on earth from a state on unconsious though on the fortress, and you could send down a drop pod containing a copy of yourself every time you're destroyed. and have an imense squadren of fighters controled by your one mind so they work in unision to wipe out any Terran threats or Alien battle fleets.

Maybe i'm getting a bit ahead of my self

(Blah blah blah; I'll read the whole thing later; just got done reading for Honors English.)

Would just like to give a short opinion..

I wouldn't want to be immortal because I'd rather die happy than to be living and alone. As like a question asked of me a few years ago "Would you rather die young and happy, surrounded by friends; or old, unhappy, and alone?"

Immortality is impossible. Death is inevitable. ^_^.

That's why you become immortal after you die. :)

Wow, I actually disagree with NinO in this concept..

I think that if a person dies, they're still not immortal; they've still got to go through a lot more trials and tests to get the "ultimate prize" of immortality. And there is always something stronger that can kill you down nomatter what... Such as the <blocks bad opinionated adjectives> Lord. He's all high and mighty and because of this he can probably kill our "spirits" as much as he wants until we "learn" what we're supposed to...

[Note: I'm Atheist so don't take anything I say about Him personally... Or offensive. Please. Thanks.]

but you don't need to be alone, you could stay young and socialise the same way you did however many years ago.

yeah yeah, i say science has no limitations. who knows, maybe it will become possible to create and anti-insanity/suicidal drug. maybe even wiping a persons memory of particular events.

maybe you could just go 'Ghost in a Shell' style and put your brain in a case and transport your brain between cyborg bodies.

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Actually, that doesn't work. The natural tissuce decays, no matter what, and without any natural tissue, yous a robot. And no, ghost dubbing would not be an option.

Actually, a person's psyche does this on its own. For example, if something traumatic happened to you when you were younger, your psyche will protect you by forgetting that event, or hiding it from your knowledge. It may only be a few years until you have knowledge of what had happened or you could have signs of remembering it the day you die. It's all in if your psyche thinks your stable enough or not to handle the trauma again...

[Sorry if that didn't really make sense, had to take a long writing test today and I'm scatter-brained.]

Immortality isn't impossible. Think, what make people die?

-Diseases
-Violence/Accidents
-Age

- Diseases can be blocked by the tecnology, Violence and Accidents can be prevented, the only problem is stop acting of Age. If people dont get old, people dont die. Immortality. The age don't affects only body, it damages mind too. With mind damaged, immortality is nothing. Then, you must reach the answer of "what stops Age?" before is't too late.

But! Without people dieing, our world would be more over-populated than it already is, and we really don't have the space for the extra people. 'Cause, you know, the more people there are, the more nature is taken away and animals are dieing... When animals and vegetation/crops are all dead, what are we going to have to eat? Nothing, so we'll just die of starvation anyways..

There are 2 answers:

-genetic engineering. If people learns how to creat thing, using DNA codes, the ones with money will have food for ever.

-cannibalism. [...]

IF people learn how to do all that... Do you realize how many years that could take? And plus, the extra people will want HOMES not FACTORIES to sleep in... What says they'll make enough factories to produce this new engineered food? Even so, from what are they going to get all the needed DNA from?

Cannibalism, eh? But wouldn't that be categorized under VIOLENCE/accidents? You're slowly turning away from your initial points.

Just one thing can stop the super-population. A World War. None of us want that (I hope), but it's gonna be the one way. And, when people have tecnollogy enough to build a space colony, there will be no problem of superpopulation. With space colony, we explorate universe. then, we get material to build more space colonies. And with DNA decodification, people will never suffer of food missing in the space. But... there's one problem. Water. Where in the universe will we find extra water for extra population?

Again. World War. That would be violence, I thought you were supporting ending that? [Excuse me, my brain is in "important test taking" mode.] And how are we going to get enough technology to build space colonies? Even if we did, that would cost A LOT to build. You mentioned water, the other thing we'd need up there is oxygen/air. Maybe we could plant green plants in space to oxygenate the atmosphere? And back to the water, we COULD get water up there. All we'd need to do is get pure hydrogen and pure oxygen, and figure out the amount of energy it takes to actually make a water atom. This may take years, yea. But depending on the amount of hydrogen and oxygen, we could make plenty of water for space and Earth. . .

I know World War includes violence, but thats the way to stop superpopulation. Anyway, Immortality would not be something you can do at your kitchen, and the recipe wouldnt be cheap. Just the one with money will be immortal, so supperpopulation is not the matter. the matter is the power-abuse of the immortal.

God, I'm not going to be immortal, atleast not now. . . But then the apocolypse comes and all that time, effort, and money smolders away with the end of the world; then space is created again, and "history repeats itself." Oh God! What a nightmare!

history won't repeats. Nature (or Gaia, as I like to call it) isn't that boring. The Universe may never end, and the thing that I think it's the worse is that, I did'nt see the start, and I wont see the and of everything. Immortality is the only way to be there when it happens.

I didn't say anything about Nature itself being boring. None of us now--at FEW or around the world--have seen the beginning of the Universe, and none of us will see the end of the Universe. It's how things were meant to bed. I think we're supposed to imagine it all and have different opinions/views about it all so that life can go on and that'd purposely be one of the wonders of the World.

Death is the lost of all your knowlegde. Death is the lost of all your memories. Death is the lost of Life. That's because I want to be immortal.

I don't believe you lost everything in death; the only thing I think you lose in death is the host body, then sometime later your spirit inhabits something new... yes, I believe in reincarnation.

Man, I really hope your right, but I can't believe in something I can explain myself. I don't even know if I believe in an immortal soul/spirit. But, if there's a reincarnation, in your new life, you have no memories of your previous life, right? Is like starting everything over again, and again and forever...

You don't necessarily start everything over anew after every reincarnation. Do you ever get De Ja Vu and ask anyone around you if they've had it, but they all say no? I think that has something to do with reincarnation. You did something similar in a past life; you may be able to just remember it somehow, or it could come to you through symboles in dreams, or some other way. I have De Ja Vu A LOT and so many odd things happen in my dreams that I believe in reincarnation more and more.. And if someone [a friend] brings up the concept of a different religion and stuff like "astral travel." (The time when you actually separate from your body and visit different places and/or people). Or have you ever fallen asleep, then suddenly your body just jerks and you wake up? I've heard two theories for this and I believe both. The first one, in astral travel you've gotten too far from your body or ran out of energy so your spirit is just sucked back in. And two, you've died and slipped into the beyond, you've just seen a split second glimpse of what it's like to die. But that jerk is waking up your body, telling you "You can't die yet, wake up!"

Wow.... never heard about that. But, yeah some strange things happen, De Ja Vu, are rare, but, for example, in my school, I saw someone in the second floor, And I ran down to first floor and the person was there too. How can it be related about other lives? Something I believe is that it could be a time fissure.

And, about reincarnate, it's hard to me believe something i didn't see. Do you believe that there is a spirit world, or the spirits are all around us, or maybe, that the person reincarnate in the instant it dies? I think that, when your brain dies, everything is over to you, is the final rest.

That happens to me a lot as well and it freaks me out. I agree, it could be a time fissure, or they could have just used a different set of stairs, or somehow passed you on the way down the stairs you used. And how it relates to other lives, I don't know. I don't know what happened in everyone's past lives, so I couldn't tell you the significence of that one person in the hallway. Maybe in a past life ypu and that person were friends. This possiblility I always seem to think about..

I do believe there is a spirt world, spirits all around us (I'll get more on this in a mometn), and I believe that a person can be reincarnated as soon as he or she dies. You know the stat rate for death and birth, no? Every 15 seconds a person dies and every 8 seconds a person is born. So there's around a 54 percent chance that the person who dies could be reincarnated into the person begining anew into the world.

And back tracking to the "spirits all around us" theory. I think it has to do with the spirit world which, I belive, is right above us. So, when a spirit leaves their world and comes to ours that's why people see polterghists ("ghosts").

so reincarnation is randomly done?

Maybe. It's what you want to believe that makes it real or not. Like "God," all these people believe in him and if they believe just enough then they have images of him and they think they see him everywhere, helping and all that other stuff he does. Their life is wonderful becaus eall these "miracles" are happening. But for those of us who don't believe in "God" our lives may swing either way... It's just what we want to happen, per se, and how we direct our lives and thoughts and all that.

I just dont want to lost all. If I die, the world won't stop, but I wont be there to see is "don't stop", what makes me unhappy...

Immortality is possible, and I have to prove it, before the people around me start to die! That's my mission!

Well.. Good luck with proving immortality. Actually, I believe it can be done. Especially with a lot of patience, meditation, devotion, and the practice of certain crafts/arts/spells (whatever you wanna call it).

thanks, but I dont believe spells. Let's try starting with some science! ^_^

Alright, that's fine, not a lot of people do, possible.

Science? What does science have to do with immortality again?

Wow... Quite a perdicament, you don't believe spells and I don't typically believe science. :lol:

with science I'll find a way to prevents body to getting old, and then, get immortal!

Yayy! Be sure to update me on how everything turns out, k? I think that'd be really interesting.

Of course! You will know all updates of my research! :P

Stellar! ^_^

But where would you start?

Cell immortality through telomerase is already (from what I've heard) considered more or less impossible, and this is what you're talking about.

We've already been able to clone tissue and such. It's not impossible...in fact, it's likely, that we'd be able to move on to organ construction through stem cells at some point.

But it would be undeniably immoral to make clones and take their organs, outside of the fact that it would be kinda dumb (if you can get around the aging problems of cloning, simply constructing the organ from cloned tissue would be better, since you wouldn't need 9 months for a baby). And you would never be able to pursue immortality with cloned humans, because you'd be stopped.

Yup. You'll be dead before any of that stuff, if it's even possible, comes into play :P

Not to be offensive, but it seems odd to argue for a Egyptianesque after-death-trial and yet deny a single god. What's your belief based on?

Scientifically prove that god does not exist.

Most actual scientists feel there are at least some limitations we probably won't be getting around before we're all gone; for instance, various laws of physics. What you say arbitrarily doesn't actually prove anything.

The brain works by systems of neurons and chemicals and such. Theoretically, one could certainly create further complexity than exists within a human's physical brain and such; you just need to have a system of cyber-"materials" or variable elements within the computer's structure. I mean, it'd probably be impossible for any human to figure out and design, but with a high enough base I'm sure you could beat out the number of chemicals and substances present in the human brain.

Spirit aside, you could probably have mental emotions and such recreated within a robot. That being said, a transplant from brain to cyberwaves does not seem within the bounds of likelihood; that would assume the human would be able to comprehend the entirety of the functions of his own mind. I don't think that's going to happen, but meh, guess we'll see or won't see.

-Gen engineering of food is already used. You have probably ingested gen. engineered food already. Is world hunger solved yet? That's right, there are a lot of problems left for us, it's great that you oversimplify them. That being said, there's already plenty of food for rich people, and gen. engineered food is more likely to help slow world-hunger and supply more food at a faster rate (because we engineer food for size, durability to viruses, stuff like that, though you'll notice that supermarket shit is not as good as stuff you buy at the local farmer's market).

There are also health consequences of gen. engineering. Despite arguments from noted scientists, I would say there is still a threat behind the CaMV virus promoter which is taken from cauliflower and put into other veggies; particularly that fragmented virus genetic material has been shown to be capable of reassembly, and in fact that it is more dangerous to ingest partial virus components which could mutate and be able to infect humans than it is to ingest stable CaMV virus from cauliflowers (risk about as low as breathing) which can't infect humans.

-cannibalism is also a stupid idea, dangerous to one's health. It reduces population problems but at that point you may as well kill people en masse. Are you Hitler? If not, this is bad. I realize you're joking, but...still...

-Prove that the Big Bang is not a repeating occurrence; many people think the universe ends and rebegins.
-Prove that the universe does not end, ever. It seems right now that you're just using wishful thinking to justify why you would want to be immortal. Are you planning on basing your life decisions on wishful thinking and guessing?

Umm, if you have deja vu, there's no reason why people nearby would have it. Unless it's someone who has lived their life with you almost constantly, you'll likely have a huge list of experiences that they have not had in your own life.

The sleep jerking is pretty simple, and the near-death explanation is just a gossip-spread thing. Basically, your muscles were either contracting or relaxing. One of the many varieties of the "jerk" (i don't remember the sci. name for it) is that, when your muscles begin to relax, your brain thinks you are falling and jerks your muscles together (and sometimes you wake up), so to some extent it is "near death" as your brain percieved it.

Ya. You know, maybe that's because god rewards their faith and enlightens them with a sort of presence during prayer, help in the daily life when they don't need it, and so on. I mean, hell, if you as a nonbeliever of god find your life swinging either way, doesn't that make you wonder that maybe that's because you don't believe in god?

Of course, while I do believe in a supreme being as a little more likely than not existing (I'm basically just taking heads over tails here based on my personal knowledge, though ;) ), I don't look to that supreme being for any guidance and help. And I'm having a great life. I don't really direct my thoughts, I let them go where they want, and doing otherwise would be self-opression.

Too late. People around the world and you have already died. And people who are alive have already started towards death. Keep working, but I'd look towards helping the world, curing diseases, proving global warming so that people take action, and so on, rather than fantasy curealls and the like. Maybe I'll see you in science sometime, but I'd suggest that you start looking for ways to learn more now under the wing of real scientists, as well as expand the knowledge of the field even as a teenager. Meh.

Medicine for figuring out most stuff. That's mostly the field of biologists and chemsists. So taking some entry and AP level biology and chemistry courses (Bio 9th, chem 10th, AP Bio 11th, AP chem 12th, with variations, perhaps) would probably be a great education in high school. If you're willing to study a fair amount every night and learn good study habits (cornell notes, talking to teacher, online quizzes and help books), you're probably going to get a 4 or 5 on the AP tests. Not speaking from personal experience, but that's what I'm assuming since my course's tests are (or so my teacher claims *rolling eyes disbelievingly*) harder than the AP test in terms of content. There are also plenty of summer things to do; I know 2 highschoolers who are going to intern at a lab in columbia over the summer, one is actually leaving HS early before going to college, though each in different places.

~I'm out.

You're not that only one that found my beliefs odd.. They're based on bits and pieces of opinions that I've gathered from other people and from the Shinto religion in which one of my friends got me into. And I asked another friend if it was odd that I don't believe in God but believe in Heaven and Hell; he said "Not really. You don't believe in a higher being, but you believe in some sort of afterlife." This is true, too. I belive in some place where people can continue their lives and maybe get the chance to be reincarnated for new experiences. Also, I believe, when a baby is born where does it get it's spirit? It doesn't seem likely that it would be formed the same way that he or she was (egg + sperm = embryo)...



Aha, thank you! That explination of "sleep jerking" escaped my mind. You're very right, yes, but there is no hard evidence against the opinions I stated. The astral travel part was based upon bits and pieces from psychology class and the Shinto religion, whereas the excerpt about slipping into the beyond was based on a theory from Edgar Allan Poe's "The Pendulem" and explained upon by my English teacher.



Sure, it makes me wonder because I don't believe in God, but my life isn't a complete hell enough to wonder too much. I feel that people, like yourself, CAN have a great life without a higher power. But it's in their personality, too. If they have a crueler personality and go around telling everyone to F*** off, people may just ignore them. However, if they have a nicer personality and are willing to help even strangers, good things may come to them, even though they're non believers.(I had a good explanation for these, but got distracted by the sounds downstairs and forgot, excuse me.)



I'm a sophmore taking an honors course in Chemistry. (Most of my discipline courses are honors). I love Chemisrty and Biology is alright. Strolling along a little out of the park, my honors English teacher--when she gives us tests--puts them in the form of AP tests to get us ready for the APs. Don't know what happened, but the last one she gave us (it was over The Scarlet Letter) was extremely easy. No matter, I respect those descisions of you and the highschoolers you know.

Now, just one question... why would one wish to live for all time? A person such as that would wake up, see the world as it was, just as the day before... but, unlike those who have lives that will one day expire, they have nothing to live for. They have no legacy to leave behind, no wills to write, no inhibitions about doing anything at all. What would be the point?

All I'm trying to say is that the very thought of immortality scares me. To live, day in and day out, without cause... it is enough to drive one mad. And for one with mental... issues... such as myself, living without cause drives me into such a deep emotional ravine, it would be impossible to climb out of if forced to face the world as it was for all time.

What is so appealing about immortality, anyways? For those supporting the ideal, please do enlighten me.

Same here, the thought of immortality somewhat scares me.
The idea of living your life away while everyone around you that you love and care for slowly die one by one, while you keep on living.

I have two viewpoints however, as I also think that immortality would be very interesting to experience. Seeing the times pass and change around you, technology and science advancing everywhere. Although people would be very much skeptical as to why you're still alive . . .

If you want to be immortal, go find the tree of life. Of course, that would leave you with a forever aging and decaying body... which sorry, I don't want to have to deal with.

Part of the problem with mortality is the fact that we're stuck inside our own personal transportation containers (aka - bodies). Death is just the point where we cease to be 'stuck' on earth.

i don't want people to be immortal, just me. otherwise just rich people. poor people don't deserve to continue a pointless life. though some middle class people might be able to afford it. basicly i'm saying that immortality should be so expensive that only those who are willing to spend a small fortune should be able to get it. though of course you have all the time in the world to get the money back

that is why i must become immortal.

oh, and if any of you people believe in god but say immortality is impossible, then, well, i have no idea what's wrong with you. science may even be able to make us as powerful as Gods, especially to a primitive society (or aliens)