Is masochism, cutting, pain and all that the new fad!? A friend of mine calls me over, and has over twenty safety pins sticking throughh her arm, and asks me if i think it's cool!? WTFH!!!???? :blink:

The emo kids are so sad they must wash away their sadness in pain. Have they ever tried overcoming their sadness with happiness? I'm sure it works better

Emo scum will all die and go to hell with Maralyn Manson chasing them with knives.

Anyway..... Pain sucks. Pain is a horrible thing that makes you want to die.

Actually, strangely enough, they're as anti-suicide as you get. :o

Allow me to explain. According to a news report I saw a few weeks back, the pain is their way to prevent themselves from killing themselves... it lets them know that they're alive, somehow. However, it soon becomes a habit, and cutting is the only way that they can assure themselves that the pain is still real, that their wounds still bleed, and that they can still consider themselves to be what they think they are: alive.

Strange, isn't it? :unsure:

0.o Wow. That is a strange way to keep yourself alive. <.<

Seriously. It's a brutal way to live...

Oh, and no, I don't think there's anything... macho... about sticking yourself full of needles.

Indeed. Isn't it ironic that they wish to escape pain, only to give it to themselves? While wounds to the heart don't bleed, physical wounds do.

Wow, you're just on a role of powerful phrases, aren't you... cool.

Even so, irony is rather lost on anyone in that state of mind. I'd guess that anyone who really does feel relief upon cutting themselves isn't mentally stable enough to realize how backward it looks.

(Hehe, thanks. ^^)

Perhaps, with every drop of blood shed, they believe that their sorrow falls, as well. If only they knew that sadness has no physical manifestation, nor can it be given one... perhaps it would help them, in the long run.

Personally cutting myself up never made me feel better but hey. I also heard something about that Kurai. Like pain realeases endorphins or something like that. Anyways it makes you feel better in a weird way. (I still don't get it though)

Yes, that's true. Endorphins are the body's natural painkillers, but are also used to simulate euphoria. That's why you feel so good after, say, eating chocolate. ^^

That is why some people can't help it after they've gotten a few tattoos; the initial pain has turned into strictly pleasure, which persuades people to return to get more and more tattoos. Have you ever noticed that? If there's someone with tattoos, either they have a few (and will never get them again), have several more (and are in the process of getting more), or are covered in them (as in, stereotypical bikers with their entire arms covered in tattoos). Perhaps that might be what's driving them, after all. o.o

I'd never thought about the endorphins until you'd brought that up. It makes more sense now, I suppose. ^^''

I hadn't noticed that. Until now I hadn't linked the two together before. Interesting :o

Not true, i love getting punched in the back. Feels kinda good, although I know its pain im feeling.

hi kio.. u r a emo

Nah, i liek my big house and five cars, only when girls hit me there though...

I feel a little levity is in order: (and a small plug for Bob&George, awesome Megaman-based sprite comic)



EDIT - sorry, it seems to be a bit wide, but I can't do much about it

Actually, I'm scared as hell of pain. I avoid it as much as I possibly can, while still going through daily events, although, I'd rather take emotional pain than physical any day.

Suicidal and emo people... scare me, actually. Like, the actually cutting ones. I don't know why they do it, besides perhaps the reasons here, and... yeah.

I have to agree with sara... physical pain is a very scary thought. v.v I can write about it, listen to stories about it, but... actually experieincing it or watching others do so often scares me.

Emotional scars, however, are harder to deal with for me. The wounds of the heart never heal, though those of the flesh can.

Exactly, Kurai. I find that emotional pain, although lasting at times, helps to shape me as a person, just as each love helps prepare you for the next.

However, emotional scars can heal. They may always be remembered, but they don't have to remain open forever. Just as I've said so many times before, talking to someone about your fears and thoughts helps in ways that are almost unimaginable to one who hasn't ever done it. I've got a quote somewhere, hold on...

If you don't seek help... if you don't open up to potential help... how can you expect to get better? It's a risk, when you think about it. Opening up in times when that's the last thing you want to do... Is it worth it, though? You really have to ask yourself that. I guess that's where trust and faith comes in... Finding someone you trust enough to not hurt you when you're vulnerable, who'll listen to you and help you without any selfish benefits -- just because they care about you...

Like I've said, I can't promise I'll always been in good moods, guys, but I can promise that I'll try and be there for you if any one of you needs help.

Well, I suppose I'm a semi-masochist. I don't actually enjoy pain itself and I find people who do mildly incomprehensible, since physical pain is by its very nature painful and it requires a somewhat perverse mindset to enjoy it.

However, what I do enjoy about pain is the feeling of overcoming it. I don't seek it, but when it comes to me (which, I suppose, is fairly often but fairly minor) I enjoy overcoming it, ignoring it, and exulting in the triumph of the will over the flesh. When a doctor gives me a shot, for example, or I'm injured in sports or some other activity, what comes to me is a brief flashing instant of pain and then a re-exertion of discipline and the blocking out of the pain, which inevitably leads to a small-scale celebration or some sort of self-satisfaction. Perhaps this feeling relates to what has already been said about endorphins, and it's just the logical - and chemical - next step. All I know for sure is that I felt okay after the doctor jabbed the needle in my arm. Kinda sketchy, I know, but hey, the truth always is. ^_^

Touching final words, there, Sara. I'll be moving out to college in about four months now, and I might actually need to take you up on that...

Technicallly (it's way up there, the stuff I'm referencing) some psychological studies say that physical symptoms can result from completely mental issues, especially those that are more sub-conscious. I don't know how valid that is, but hey...

Oh, and check the quote by Matthew Intano in my sig. Fits right in here...

Sometimes, not going for help isn't a sign of being afraid. It can be pride or too much determination as well. I was rather dumb once and, when it would have been really helpful to just sit down and let it all out, I decided it would be better for me to work through the issues by myself and only rely on myself. Which is nice to be able to do, but it's not very realistic; although it did work, it took much longer.

i do that too, feeling good that i could ignore pain. though i'm a bit wierd in the fact that if i get punched (not jabbed) i can feel it straight away but the actual pain of the hit takes about 3-5 seconds to really affect me. my back is also immune to most pain that can be dealt with fists. i've been kicked in the back while i was sitting and it just fealt like i was pushed. though it's not like i know how much it hurts for other people to be hit in the back.

pain is an illusion of the senses, sorry is an illusion of the mind

if i tell myself that it usually rids me of pain and sorrow, though i don't care about much anything, disasters on the news don't even catch my interests at all. but the quote can't rid me of anger, oh well.

I beg to differ. Here's two examples, which several people, I'm sure, have experienced, if not you:

1) Have you ever been dumped, or otherwise hurt emotionally? Has it ever bothered you so much that you physically felt ill? Pain is not, as you say, an "illusion". It can be either felt physically, mentally, or both. Sure, some people may claim they can block it out, but, there comes a time when it can be too great a task. Maybe, it could even cause emotional problems later on. I mean... Supressing emotional pain, for example, could cause it all to build up, and then... I'm sure you can understand what happens then.

2) When you were a kid, do you remember doing something, like stealing, that you knew was absolutely wrong but you did anyway? Did you remember feeling guilty, even feeling sick because of it? I know I have. Even now, if I ignore doing what I know is right, I'll get a sort of pain in my heart and it'll bother me. It'll bother me until I apologize to that person for whatever I did wrong. Guilt isn't an illusion. It's as natural an emotion as happiness, anger, or jealousy. You may not feel it often, but it certainly is there. God hope you don't experience this, but maybe when you're older... if you're with someone you love dearly, and something happens to them that you could've prevented... you'll feel guilt. You'll know it isn't something you can ignore that easily.

I'm done. ^_^

.____. You realize this is a serious forum, not your little hell hole RI, right?

Anyways, pain sucks. :( I don't cry because of pain any more though. B)

It was serious. I was telling him that kid is trying to be a stereotypical emo kid.

I just have a different way of expressing myself.

Like Shakespeare. Who else uses so much damn figurative language?

Just because it is different does not mean it's from a hell hole and does not have meaning, not that I'm comparing myself to Shakespeare.

It was satire. :P

Well, I'd like to comment on several details of what you said. First of all, you're right; emotional pain is definitely capable of making a person feeling physically ill. After all, emotions are caused by the brain, and the brain influences the rest of the body. Love feels like heartburn. ^_^

Second, I'm not sure what you were implying with the "I'm sure you can understand what happens then," except that it seems to be vaguely catastrophic and profoundly negative. Well, speaking as someone who has a long history of repressing emotion and promoting the supremacy of intellect over instinct, I have to say while it does produce a rather... bizarre personality (hey, just look at me! :P), it is not always necessarily catastrophic.

... well, yet. This particular case study is still in progress, I suppose.

Repression works wonder on all sorts of emotions. What extended repression seems to create is a sort of general apathy towards... well, everything. What honor or moral sense any self-repressed individuals have is usually maintained by conscious decision and will rather than any ingrained conscience. Again, I'm speaking from experience, and again, it's not a conclusion I'm absolutely certain from. Still, a sustained regimen of repression (including repression of pain) produces characters that are somewhat different, if not necessarily in a positive way.

For example, the first time my friend tried to repress the pain, it was difficult and took quite a bit of effort. That, however, was several years ago, and according to him he currently finds it very simple to block out both emotional and physical pain. I'm personally curious as to whether this effect is reversible, but until I find out for certain, I advise not attempting to replicate it. :P

I suddenly got really bored with the sentence, and decided that I didn't want to write anymore. I'll see if I can pick up where I left off, though.

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Oh. Right. What I think of here is the whole shaking up a bottle of pop thing. Once you shake it up, even a bit, merely opening the cap a bit will make it fizz over all on you. Kinda gross if you don't like fizz, or pop. And, I've never tried this, but if you keep shaking it (maybe with a bottle cap as a cover?), it'll 'splode. That's why you hafta 'spress your emotions.

... Yeah, another mood swing. I'll end this off here before I start going on about random nonsense.