All right.

Look, about this whole thing. First of all, let me get one thing straight. I’m not a one-liner tape recording from the staff, nor am I a power-addicted admin, nor am I an Aien groupie. (If there’s such a thing. :P) All I’m trying to do is end all this crap.

Well, first of all, Aien has a hell of a lot of good points. Judges have been remarkably inconsistent in whose battles they judge, and the staff has been just as inconsistent in what rules they choose to enforce and who they enforce it on. He might have been a bit… over-enthusiastic in how he chose to do it, but Aien was just trying to improve the forum by correcting what he perceived as inequality in the system.

That said, it’s not entirely fair to say that the staff is all corrupt, all hypocritical, all generally nasty characters who you wouldn’t want your children to hang out with. True, we haven’t been saints, and we’re not perfect, but then again, is it really possible to be absolutely perfect? As one staffer pointed out, we’re not paid officials or anything, we’re just a bunch of teenagers on the Internet, just like you all. I like to think that things always appear perfect in hindsight, but in reality they’re more often than not riddled with faults.

Now, this presents a real dilemma for me. On one hand, I really sympathize with Aien, since a lot of his points are basically just trying to improve the board, and though he might have had some questionable means of going about it, that doesn’t mean he deserves a permanent ban. Ultimately his intentions were good.

But then again, we can’t have him running around egging people on against the staff and urging attacks on the administration, not to mention all the chaos this whole issue’s been stirring up. That doesn’t work for me either.

So what I’m calling for is that both sides calm down, cool down, and then get together and just talk about it. Aien isn’t a radical anarchist, but the staff isn’t full of corruption-ridden scumbags either. I’m sure they can come to some agreement, including but not limited to revising rule enforcement consistency and lessening his perma-ban.

What do you think, FEW users?

No.

I don't think by any means he should be unbanned.

Not atleast for a good 3 months.

He may have good ideas, ok.

He presented them COMPLETELY wrong, and threatened the forum. That shouldn't be overlooked.

I would be extremely disappointed in the staff if they unbanned him, and would think a lot less of them.

And I don't hate Aien, I don't have anything against him, but this isn't the first time this shit has happened. I tried to get him permabanned before and the staff said "give him another chance." Well, enough of that bull shit, he had his chance.

Aien was pursuing a different method because his previous methods didn't work.

If we can come to an agreement with him, I see no reason why he should remain banned.

Well, naturally, you want to judge you own country as a top pirority, because it's just not wise to make your opposition stronger, I although, will judge mine, then my country's, and then anyone who asks me, some people all rant at me becuase I was known as the master judge for awhile (well, for a small amount of time >_>) and then I never judge for anyone but my friends, that's because they are so busy ranting, they forget about politely asking, myself, I won't judge if they are being rude...

Um, I'm not sure that i've seen this, it's proablly another one of those type things were you don't notice when it's happening to someone else, yet one time it happens to you, it seems like an outrage, Iunno, but they have seem somewhat biased in my views..


As for the rest, I'm proablly more or less on Aien's side though, the staff does sometimes seem very unfair, mabey more on his side of veiw, I'm personally not saying either side are blood-sucking demons, but Aien needs to calm down, and the staff needs to shape up.





..........Seriously though, flame pit=ownage, just saying....

For a long time I really understood where Aien was coming from. I empathized with him, and even agreed with many of the things he said. But recently(Or at least recent to when I was last active) Aien seemed to have become more of a... flaming creature than anything else. Granted the staff has not treated him like royalty.. and heck, of course they are biased and somewhat inconsistent. But since when does he have the right to go and flame or cause trouble on a forum which he neither owns nor is responsible for. Ultimately it is not his problem to make this forum better... if his ideas for improving FEW, which were submitted somewhat respectfully were ignored or thrown aside... All that is left for him seeing as he DOES not run FEW is to either leave, or endure. Flaming or causing strife is not the way to resolve issues you have with a forum/forum's staff...(This I would know from personal experience.)

At any rate, all this flaming crap seems to have gone on for way too long to be resolved in a meeting. Seems to me the best thing to do would be to part ways... Yet unfortunately, I'm not sure that anyone involved is really willing to do that.

That is my oppinion, and is worth exactly what if cost me to give it-- not a damn thing.

I think of it this way. If a beggar is tring to feed his family, and the only way he can do it is by stealing, Is it wrong?

Obvisiously, he isn't fending for his survival but the same basic point applies. He need something done, so he threatened, mark threatened, to do something against FEW Law.

I pointed out threaten because he still has done anything. As I have pointed out in a different topic, if he has a way of cracking the system, or even if he types in random numbers, he still hasn't done it. People may say that is because he was banned, but really what is banning a username, or even an IP address, going to do. He could easily get a new username that does relate to his previous names, or IP address (which is also easy), and the staff whouldn't know. I could be Eastern Blade Alchemist (sorry, EBA, first name to pop into my head :rolleyes: ) under a different username and none of you would know it.

What I'm trying to say is that he has already made one new username, that we know of, what saying he hasn't made a second, or more, name? His banning is almost a week old and still nothing has happened! Even if he went through and type in the URL and change digit (001, 002,...,009, 010,... and so on), he could have easily crack this code by now. But He Hasn't! It was a bluff that was a cause by a desperate need for change.

I'm not getting on the admin's, or Hiei's, case (even though I am disappointed by the fact they have to resort to deleting post for whatever reason) but something went wrong and Aien wasn't at fault. I just opened a new window and checked the rules. Strangely enough, there is no rule against saying that you'll hack the system. If any rule has been volated it is this one:

By Banning him because of a "misunderstood compliment", you have violated his right to free speech and insulted his beliefs.

I am no friend of Aien's, in fact we have butted heads before, but I can see no evidence of the fact he deserved a three months banning. I Agree that his sentence should be lowered, possibly eliminated.

well put sirjohn, I agreed with you. Aien was just...being Aien, no real harm intended. if it would make everyone feel better, keep an eye on him for a week or so when (if?) he returns. I'd be willing to bet that he wouldn't do anything that drastic.

o_o ... thanks god i talked to you Grondy ...

i agree with you ... as i told you on msn, i understand why he did it, but i don't like the way he did it ...

as for the judges and staff problem, the judges should judge all the battles or not judge at all ... i don't see corrupted staff, just some lazy guys and a boring system ...

I echo Phantom entirely... He's making quite a bit of sense right now

So it's specifically just the unbanning you don't like? You don't have anything against some sort of civilized discussion between staff and Aien?

they can talk civily.

As long as they don't let up the ban, I've no problem with it.

I agree completely with you.

Why not let up the ban? As I have stated, he has not done anything against forum rules. He has/can not hack the board. There is no rule against theatening to do this. He seems to a overwhelming support in his favor...

Why not let up the ban? Or are you trying to make an "example" out of him?

Even though I want Aien's ban lifted threating the forum is like threating to hijack a plane they are not going to let get away with that but i would say a month should do it.

one diffence though...

Hijacked planes endanger peoples lives.

Hack forum are just annoying... <_<

Thank you. People need to stop using these serious reality situations to metaphor the internet.

I refuse to read anything. I'm calm and collected and don't want to get frustrated again, so I will simply ask...

Aien back?

That is a pretty rediculous thing to say.. :\

Ridiculous maybe, it's still a definite loophole...

Ok, I know a lot of you support, and like Aien, but try to be unbiased, and look at it from the staff's point of view.

Aien tries to help the forum, that's true. However, when he tries to help it, he usually causes more trouble than if he just kept his mouth shut. he starts flame wars, insults the staff, threatens to hack the forum, etc...

Now, if this was the first time it happened, then maybe unbanning Aien would be suitable. But it ISN'T. This happens every few months, and it gets ridiculous. He never learns his lesson, and it would be better just to keep him off the board to avoid all the conflict, flame wars, and threats.

Also, regardless if he could or not, he DID threaten to hack us. That's a no no.

Why open another topic Hiei? I already gave my opnion and im gonna stick to it no more than a month of banishment for Aien

Hiei. This topic is pointless, you're only summarizing what has already been said.

I'm posting another topic with my views on the situation. I don't need to here this shit about it being pointless, because it obviously isn't if you actually read it.

Only read it to see if you typed anything WORTH reading. But no, you wasted my a minute of my time. . . "Your views" as you say, are only a summary of what's been said--as I said before.

Good grammar...

Karn didn't seem to have any problem with me posting this topic, and since he's the root, and one of the most intelligent users on this forum, I don't really give a shit if you think it's pointless, I would like it if you either contributed something, or got out and stopped posting pointless things in my topic that have no relevance whatsoever. :)

Okay you guys, I know I'm still rather new here, but really, shut up. He did threaten to hack the forum, and in all honesty if had Hiei said "I'm gonna hack the forums" would you be running to protest it?

From what I saw, Aien was a cool dude, yes. But seriously, chill out. If he wants to come back bad enough, he'll cool off and come back. When/if he does, you'll all look like nitwits for making such a fuss. Right now, Aien does need to chill, so let him. By defending him and getting angry/flaming at Hiei, you're all adding flame that keeps Aien bonkers. So again, chill.

Not taking sides, Just sayin.

Why does *Aien* need to chill? Who has super-sonic-super-cool-ESP that can hear Aien even YELLING before he was banned. He wasn't YELLING. There were no "!" to indicate anything. And caps means the word is STRESSED, not yelled, yes? Hiei is the one that should chill; he's doing all he can to keep Aien banned.

And I'll tell you... Personally, if Hiei were banned under the circumstance that he said he was going to hack the forum, I wouldn't prostest against it. But then again, it's not that that I'm looking at. As stated before, Aien posted greivences to HELP FEW. But Aien got mad and Hiei was part of the source. So, Aien thought he'd have a little fun and say he was gonna hack, but he even said that maybe that was a little too much... And yea, it was.

When someone all but declares war on a staff, its a sign that they do need to chill. "Chiil" does NOT mean that they need to give up and forget their opinions. It means that they need to calm down, regroup, and take a better mannered approach. Seriously, making new accounts with the soul purpose of mockery isn't the best mannered approach one could take.

A lot of people are forgetting that Hiei's no longer staff. I think Hiei's one of those people. "I'd be really disappointed in the staff if they unbanned Aien." So what? What weight do you think you carry in the staff? You're not staff anymore. You can say what you want about the Aien situation, but don't expect your words to carry any more weight than anyone else's. That's exactly what Aien was pissed about in the first place...

Merged.

I think that's the first time the word "yelling" has been used in the matter.

Here's an obvious bias. Regardless if that's your point or not.

It's not "fun" or "smart" or anything of the sort.

Well, i'm looking at all of this from now (didn't see any of it before about 10 mins ago) and frankly, Aien is pretty much right. There ARE alot of lazy and spammy staff. If there was a cull of staff, then much of this would not have happend. And yes, RI really has gone down the shitthole. Last time I said that, I got warned, but it seems i'm not alone in that opinion.

If Aien had hacked the forum, then yes, it would be a legitimate ban. He didn't, so it's not. Really, this is qute similar to the attitudes of many a dictator, liquidating their opponents.

The FEW I once new was too cool for this.