Anyways, post your opinions. I've been hearing alot about the band/country power ratio. I'd like to hear what you guys think, so we may be able to improve upon whatever flaws you find.

100 base is kinda over the top isn't it?

Bands schould be able to hold some more, then again i'm biased on that xD

You proablly can't get alot of opinions untill we get the whole attacking bands/countries started

to be honest, out of the RPGs I've seen, the one I started with was my favorite. it could be improved by things we do now, but I liked it. it was the last time we used Elibe IIRC

I like it, because anyone can come to power with enough strength. We'll know for sure when the wars cut loose.

There needs to be asystem frocing judges to judge certain battles or not judge at all-other wise someone with a 'partner judge' can level up extremely quickly, leaving others in the dust. Maybe assign certain judges an NPC topic and give them a (small) reward for upholding it?

We've been over this every reset, and it's always come down to NO, if they want to judge, then pass the judging test, there's like no way you can fail it now...

Actually... yes, NPC Queues are coming back. Therefore, Judges will have to weed through everyone in line to put their char on the top of the list.

Sweet, that makes it easier on us, but what I think he's saying, or at least what others have been, is force all the judges to take time from their lives and do something they might not want to do, or be de-moted, not very fair..

Case in point. While some of us don't have the program to judge with, others with partners have been leveling up at an extraordinary rate. Take, for example, one character on the site who's already level 19. x.x

I can't have my proverbial back scratched if I can't scratch in return, see. ^^''

I agree with the NPC topics. It sounds like a good idea. ^_^

Well, only if they accept the responibility. That's why thier would be reward involved-its just like arbiters were-you got more money for judging, but would be demoted to regular judge if you didn't do enough.

And we were supposed to be closer this reset due to 100 base exp. Instead, it shattered the difference. There is already a level 20, with the average level probably around one or two.

Yeah, I still don't like how the bands have more benefits than countries do. :/

Arcan: True. But, then again, we did have quite a few arbitors around back then, and we'll have even more equivalents with the new program... provided that a lot of people actually have it, of course. ^^''

Ah, good, I'm not the only one who noticed the atrocious gap. x.x

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Sara: Yeah. Strange how that works, isn't it? Especially when you consider how nomadic bands used to work... countries almost always had the advantage. :lol:

I'm trying to figure this entire judging thing out.

Frankly, Anyone can judge now, but the JUDGES should have to check.

That, and uh...

Not going to say that publicly. But grondy was there for it. If that says anything.

...you have to realize the selfishness of the average person. for example, the only reasons I became a judge (and later an arbitor) at all were so I could get my battles judged without depending on someone else and to get me G quickly. both those benefits have been taken away, so I really have no desire to judge. furthermore, if you take my (or anyone else's in the same position) judging priviledges away, so what? all you are doing is removing any guilt I might have when people complain left and right how the judging isn't getting done

LoZ fan brings up a surprisingly good point. :mellow: Who's doing the judging, then, if the judges themselves have quit?

!!!!! Are you kidding me??? Countries get that uber NPC, and then get like 10000 Gold or something, bands just seem to be making the most of of what we have, while countries are sitting around and complaining, then wonder why they aren't stronger...

EDIT:And to add on to it, once we get the map and stuff up, coutries get the whole map of territories, so they get the 1000 gold per territory off the bat, while we have to fight just to get it, well, from at least what some random FTA's are telling me

UB, I have a point. In order to have bands help us, we need to pay them ALOT of money, the NPC is pretty useless unless you buy the cards necessary for a good weapon for them, and... yeah. I lost my train of thought. :/

true, but despite that, bands seem a lot cooler to a lot of people. there are many more bands forming than I had ever expected. and without a bunch of members, countries are rather weak. sure you can hire them, but since the G-making is messed up in the system, that becomes rather inconvient

EDIT - <_< beat to it. I agree with sara, the NPC is cool and all, but the card buying works against that

Too easy to level up and get promoted. :P

Oh, speaking of that, Alex, I find the Attack Speed thing kinda odd. Whoever heard of using "skill" in "Attack Speed"?

I'm just pointing out odd things, don't mind me.

I'd say that the system needs to take into account that some people have lives... but, then again, it's summer time. XD

How about limiting the number of battles we can have per day? Then it all evens out. :o

You don't "HAVE" to pay us alot, just pay us enough untill we're motivated enough to go help yall, if no one hires us, we have to lower our rates, simple as that, and the NPC can use any weapon below that weapon skill, but 'em an emblem sword and they'll kick most character's ass

The selfishness of each person is up to their own control. As such, those who judge selfishly can't control themselves, and will, in the end, be consumed by greed. Look at Western Lycia from the last Elibe RP. Their greed was their end. They got attacked by everyone possible.

Also, the Gold was being abused by certain...members of Saylem and Grado, so it was taken out. It was also being slightly abused by WL, but that's mostly because of the # of members they had at that point.

And if the judges were actually, you know, indiscriminate, then you would've never had to become a judge.

What does this all up to?

Everything GOOD about being a judge were removed, because the judges abused the thing. I still think they need to be limited even more, because, even with this 'calculator' fundamental problems about judging havn't been fixed.

Uhh, last time I checked the rules, we have to pay you guys salaries if you're actually bound to us. Something like 100G per each member per week. Which could drain the treasury real fast. :/

Your band's levels should be thirded.

Down to the last member.

Your a biased judge, and I havn't seen anyone from your band judge any matches that didn't involve a band member.

So don't go on about 'easy to promote'. Your just biased. >>

yes indeed, and I find it odd that Evade works off Speed rather than Attack Speed. picture a little girl, like Nino, dodging as well with a slim sword as with something the size of durendal...unless of course, that is a typo in the rules

You don't have to pay your country people anything, if you wanted. You just have to pay 100 gold tax for each one... but then again, you do make 2000 gold a week, initially, for your two territories you start with. Just don't exceed 20 members or else you are losing money weekly! D:

Plus, you have jeigans! D:

They are a pain in the ass to fight.

?_? so make it even LESS appealing to judge, and more people will? methinks you need to rethink that a bit

EDIT - more positively, the thing I probably like most about the current RPG is that country salaries aren't based on members, but you even ge less G per member. it nicely balances those countries who would have more members than the smaller countries combined

End? Everyone? Are you kidding me? We have BTP, and almost had EL on our side, and we would've won that war, we outnumbered and had better chars even with the rest of the countries united

Um hello, how would you know, you weren't in those countries last I checked, and if you were there, you would've known that we not only random gave out gold, we let our members take gold and weapons out of the vault whenever they felt like it, even during war times, which I heard other countries didn't

Yes, everything that we had worked for before is taken away, without reason, we didn't abuse it, when someone wanted a battle judged, we judged it for them, and got our pay, it's basically a job, that's our pay day's when we judge...And with the calc, then we won't get much because we can do the same thing by doing heck of alot less, how do you think that makes us feel?

You don't HAVE to pay the country member's salary, you schould, but the world won't end if ya don't, sure everyone might leave, but you don't "have" to.

1. it is a way to even out speed/luck archetypes. Don't see them as much anymore? That's why.

2. Attack speed is like how fast you get off your attack... and if you are skilled, you get it of quicker than one who is not. >_>. Plus, skill was practically useless before the change.

If the 100 gold/battle was in effect, I'd have about 5000 more gold. D:

ROFL. I think that EL was THINKING about it, I was there. FAIL~

Frelia and Allyra did that. Espicially when I was running things. FAIL~

Everything worked because certain people abused the system. A couple of people ruinied it for all of you. The site was also smaller, and leaders weren't right of the bat warmongers. In conclusion:

People abused, you all lose.

Again. Why not just limit the number of battles per day, but still pay the judges that work for their pay? :o It'll limit the growth of units, keep everyone equally leveled, and assure that there's no bias. x.x

Well, it doesn't even have to be 100. And, esp. judges who can get the program to work, should judge more/ more indisciminantly. If pretty much anyone requests I do a bettle, tip or no, via PM, I'll do it. And I don't even have a working program, I judge by formula for no reward. Meanwhile, over half the judges who can use the program haven't judged half as much as me. I'd like to get at least some reward for judging.

true, and I'd be judging like mad instead of contemplating whether or not I should bother at all.

besides, the same high price of cards combined with no G for judging makes it rather difficult to buy cards, and therefore high level weaponry. sure countries could give G to members for that, but even doing that wouldn't last long.

EDIT - sara's idea is good. by limiting the number of battles/day you limit the number of battles availible to judge. then you could safely go back to paying for judging. and if someone still abuses it and judges the majority of availible battles, you could resort to limiting the number of battles judged/day by any given judger

The thing is, judges don't want to go through long topics to find an unjudged battle.

I don't mind judging a battle if presented to me. I just don't want to go hunting through topics looking for an unjudged battle.

You've all stated why the gold was taken out.

Abuse.

Remember when we had a LIST of people that needed judged and those who WERE judged? I believe that there were even PAGE NUMBERS in the NPC arena.

I personally would've wanted them, and Ultima, and us 2 with 2 other people were basically running WL, but we still would've won against them, J00 PHAIL

That's 2 other countries, from 1 reset, and no even the one I was focusing on, J00 PHAIL

HOW DID THEY ABUSE IT@?@!?!?!@!@?!@ xD, you keep saying we did this and that, yet you can't think of anything we did to abuse it, I'm going out on a limb and saying your one of those John Cena haters >_>

There will still be biased..ing...ish...stuff, people will post battles, but they won't get judged, doesn't solve the problem at all

Yes, but which is worse-an abuive system, or one with little to no activity?

Abuse was a problem of FEW, inactivity could be the death of it.