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Title: The Mid-East Crisis


Valter - July 15, 2006 01:41 PM (GMT)
I have been doing reaserch on this scince yesterday, and I have come to a conclusion that if this is played out right, World War III could possibly begin from this. Read about it here.

Now, lets look at this. Is it just me, but isn't it pure coincidence that North Korea launched the missles very closely to the time this started? Same with Hugo Chaves visiting North Korea during this time. Now, this may be pure coincidence, but I belive there is someone pulling the strings behind all this.

But, anyway, discuss the Isreal-Lebanon crisis here.

SpiralStatic - July 15, 2006 02:23 PM (GMT)
I know N. Korea launched missiles, but I'm confused as to their target/status/interception.

Valter - July 15, 2006 02:31 PM (GMT)
People say they launched them as an act of defiance, because all of the short-range missles were purposly launched into the Japanese sea. But the long-range Taepodong-2 missle exploded seconds after launch, and no one knows where it was heading to except, obviously, Kim Jon-Il.
So.....
Target = Japanese Sea and the other is unknown
Status = Most 6 were short-range missles, the last one could hit America.
Interception = They were not intercepted, otherwise N.K would launch an all-out nuclear war on America.

sara13987 - July 15, 2006 02:43 PM (GMT)
I really don't know what to think of it all, but it scares me to even think about it. I'm pretty sure that I'm safe where I am, due to the lack of anything in Newfoundland (except maybe moose).

I've asked my parents about it, though. They think that there's Middle East fighting all the time, and that they would probably get it resolved if other countries didn't get involved.

North Korea... They worry me. I can understand their need for nuclear technology, because it's not really fair if only specific countries are allowed to possess it. I just hope that they aren't going to use it for bad. :/

... Although I can't really see how nuclear weapons could be used for good, period. :/

Valter - July 15, 2006 02:56 PM (GMT)
If Canada was to anger one of those countries, it would be Toronto or Montreal that should be worried.

You're parents give good advice, but it's not true. The only places with any fighting in the last decade was Iraq, Isreal, Gaza, and Lebanon.

North Korea is ruled by a crazy bastard that hates thw Western world and Japan. They'll use it for their own good, even though it is bad.



Edit: My God, that ruler of Iran says he doesn't belive the holocaust existed, but will make one if provoked via nukes. That son of a bitch.

Death Love - July 15, 2006 08:17 PM (GMT)
To the Lebenon and Palestine Crisis. What is the main factor?

True or False.

1)If a human is attacked, that human will attack back.

2) If one can't hold anger and the other is in the same position, fear is created.

If lebenon is attacking Israel, its out of defence. And so is Israel, and Palestine is also in the same positions. Its just the few people out of every place, that makes the world uncivilized. Palestine has people like that and not only them, but also Israel and Lebenon. But, just saying we can help won't do a thing, its up to the civilized people who do not use fighting as their resolve. Even in War, there are rules to be followed.

1) DO NOT involve innocent lives.

And what I think here is, all three countries are at fault. For the people of Israel,Palestine,Lebnon are involved in this for some reason. And if the Muslims who are doing something wrong, they are not muslims. For they broke a rule in Islam, and a very big one.

That ends the first part of my discussion. :mellow:

Kaden - July 17, 2006 03:29 PM (GMT)
(Sorry about spelling and stuffs, just woke up. X_X)
Lebanon is having conflicts with Isreal DH...

Anyway, fighting has always occured in the mideast. Like back in the crusades, then even later on. Muslims have always had something against jews. After world war two, Isreal was broken off, and given to the isrealis, thus angering the Palistanies (SP?!?!?). They want their land back, so they've been attacking Isreal since like, WWII. And, look at back in the 70's (I think, maybe the 80's.) when Iran took a bunch of American hostages. There's always been fighting in the middle east, and that's the way it'll always be.

As for the NK nuke thing. America just tested an anti-missile defense system, capable of taking out missiles that took out a missile in earth's outer atmosphere. Plus, considering how long it takes a missile to travel across an ocean, even if they did get one to work, it'd surely be stopped by the time it reached north america.

Lades - July 17, 2006 04:56 PM (GMT)
True enough, but until we get a real trial by fire, we can't successfully say we have a defense until we face an offense. The middle east fighting has roots going back far too long, and has no chance of stopping soon, unless you go with the fanatic view of kill them and let them fight in hell. But that's not the right view at all.

The two events do seem linked. Perhaps America's enemies are pulling the strings. The safest place to be now... :unsure:

Antartica. The biggest party island of them all.




Kaden - July 17, 2006 05:16 PM (GMT)
Eh, personally, I say we should all go to Mexico. There's gotta be plenty of room there by now. (Goes on the immigration debate.)

Lionheart - July 17, 2006 05:56 PM (GMT)
I'm surprised no one has brought up the Iran nuclear crisis. Both Iran and North Korea are pursuing nuclear programs, and the Western world is trying to limit or stop both of their programs. It also seems that both of them are not going to heed Western warnings, even if they include sanctions. Now, the West is left with a decision. It must decide to either harm it's reputation and let these countries develop nuclear or to become militarily involved in Iran and Korea, while it is already involved in Iraq. Neither of these choices seem favorable. It is quite obvious why the U.S. has said over and over again that it will continue to pursue a diplomatic solution. However, I think that this resolve is just hopeful thinking. The whole'nuclear rebellion' thing is working as a very effective political slogan for leaders in Iran and probably North Korea as well. It would be very unpopular in both countries, I think, to yield to Western warnings. Now, if we do decide to get involved militarily, we will be involved on so many fronts at one time. It seems the U.S. is in a pretty tight spot right now.

Death Love - July 17, 2006 06:14 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kaden @ Jul 17 2006, 10:29 AM)
(Sorry about spelling and stuffs, just woke up. X_X)
Lebanon is having conflicts with Isreal DH...

Anyway, fighting has always occured in the mideast. Like back in the crusades, then even later on. Muslims have always had something against jews. After world war two, Isreal was broken off, and given to the isrealis, thus angering the Palistanies (SP?!?!?). They want their land back, so they've been attacking Isreal since like, WWII. And, look at back in the 70's (I think, maybe the 80's.) when Iran took a bunch of American hostages. There's always been fighting in the middle east, and that's the way it'll always be.

As for the NK nuke thing. America just tested an anti-missile defense system, capable of taking out missiles that took out a missile in earth's outer atmosphere. Plus, considering how long it takes a missile to travel across an ocean, even if they did get one to work, it'd surely be stopped by the time it reached north america.

Its not that, some of them are just angry or just plain crazy. Its because if tyou look into the history, we did have a treaty with the Jews. So that is the point of civilized peace. The thing is the people , often look at the conflict rather then the peace.(The people of Palestine) But they create a problem with Israel, because Israel says that Jeruslum (forgive my spelling) is their promised land, and Palestine disagrees. There comes the involvement of the innocent. Muslims and Jews are workling together, and I can find proof. My Imam(muslim preist) has gone too several Jew/Christian meetings in the past abnd current year. And he said everything was great. They worked together for peace and that is possible for the world if people were to be a little educated.

Palestine's people may very well not know whats going on, except someone is trying to kill us.

As for Lebenon, the people their that I know, (especially the goverment) are against the fighting. But they are in seige and are in a situation with horrible results.

SpiralStatic - July 17, 2006 06:53 PM (GMT)
Yes, a treaty with the Jews which involved taking land away from Palestinian people to make Israel a country. What is wrong with that picture? You can't make a country out of another country, and then drive the people in it out of it. Of course that's gonna piss people off. This all goes back to the Mandate System after World War I. The British and French were given control over various regions of the Middle East, generally the reaches of the Ottoman Empire. The main problem with this was not the actual mandate, but World War II. After WWII, all European forces lost any trace of an empire. This left the former British and French mandates suddenly free, and in chaos. That chaos hasn't boiled over in 60 years... now that is just bad... really bad.




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