Title: SADDAM SENTANCED TO DEATH!!!!
Valter - November 5, 2006 03:58 PM (GMT)
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Saddam Hussein sentenced to death by hanging
The Iraqi High Tribunal in Baghdad on Sunday sentenced a combative Saddam Hussein and two other defendants to death by hanging for a brutal crackdown in 1982 in the Shiite town of Dujail.
Despite a curfew, Iraqis in Baghdad spilled out into the streets to celebrate the verdict. But protests were held in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit.
"The Saddam Hussein era is in the past now, as was the era of Hitler and Mussolini," said Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki, calling Hussein the worst ruler ever in Iraq.
"We want an Iraq where all Iraqis are equal before the law," he said. "The policy of discrimination and persecution is over."
The case will be automatically appealed to the Appellate Chamber of the Iraqi High Tribunal. The defense has 30 days to file any motions.
The appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted, a court official told The Associated Press.
However, there is no limit to how long the appeals process can take.
If the Appellate Chamber upholds the conviction and sentence, Hussein must be executed within 30 days.
White House spokesman Tony Snow praised the Dujail trial verdict, including Hussein's sentence of death by hanging for crimes against humanity.
"It demonstrates that you've got an independent Iraqi judiciary and that they were applying their own laws," Snow said.
World reaction to the verdict was mixed.
Along with Hussein, his half brother and former intelligence chief Barzan Hassan, and former chief judge of the Revolutionary Court Awad Bandar also were sentenced to death.
Taha Yassin Ramadan, a former vice president of Iraq, was sentenced to life in prison.
"The verdict was predetermined and has nothing to do with court proceedings," Ramadan said.
Mohammed Azzawi Ali, a former Dujail Baath Party official, was acquitted because of insufficient evidence against him, the court said.
The three others -- Abdullah Kadhem Ruwaid, Ali Dayem Ali, and Misher Abdullah Ruwaid -- were sentenced to 15 years each.
The Dujail case stemmed from a crackdown against townspeople after a 1982 assassination attempt against Hussein in the town. The crackdown involved the ordered executions of 148 males.
'Damn you and your court' The 50-minute session was dramatic. Hussein entered with a Quran in hand, as he had in the past. He began shouting "Allahu Akhbar" -- God is great -- as the verdict and sentencing was read.
He also argued with the chief judge and shouted, "Damn you and your court."
As the judge ordered him taken away, Hussein said, "Don't push me, boy."
Bandar also shouted "Allahu Akhbar" as he was taken out of court.
Defense attorney Ramsey Clark was also in court, but he was soon ousted by judges for contempt of court. The court accused Clark, a former U.S. attorney general, of insulting the court and the Iraqi people.
Another defense attorney, Ziad al-Najdawi, angrily told reporters as he left the courtroom, "That's the American justice."
During the trial proceedings a few months ago, Hussein said that if he received a death sentence, he would prefer to be executed by a firing squad.
However, at a press conference later, chief prosecutor Jaafar Moussaoui said the law stipulates that a firing squad is normally the sentence issued by military courts. This court deals with crimes against humanity, genocide and war crimes, and calls for death by hanging, he said.
Before Sunday's verdicts were announced, a curfew was imposed in Baghdad and two provinces -- Diyala and Salaheddin -- with large Sunni populations. Predominantly Shiite and Kurdish provinces were not under curfew.
About 2,000 protesters in Saddam Hussein's hometown of Tikrit on Sunday defied the curfew and demonstrated in support of the former leader.
The numbers of demonstrators grew after the sentence was announced. A complete movement ban -- both people and vehicles -- was imposed on Sunday in the provinces of Baghdad, Diyala and Salaheddin, where Tikrit is located.
The Baghdad International Airport also shut down until further notice.
This verdicts come nearly three years after U.S.-led forces plucked Hussein out of hiding and just a few days before U.S. midterm elections, with the Iraqi war at center stage.
The U.S. ambassador in Iraq praised the verdicts and sentencing as "an important milestone for Iraq."
"Although the Iraqis may face difficult days in the coming weeks, closing the book on Saddam and his regime is an opportunity to unite and build a better future," Zalmay Khalilzad said in a statement issued shortly after the verdicts were rendered. |
WOO-HOO!!!!!!!!!
I Have a Sandwich - November 5, 2006 03:59 PM (GMT)
SpiralStatic - November 5, 2006 05:36 PM (GMT)
As if we didn't know this would be the conclusion...
Chainsaw Buddy Chi - November 5, 2006 06:24 PM (GMT)
Awesome.
Burn the motherfucker.
Severian - November 5, 2006 08:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Chainsaw Buddy Chi @ Nov 5 2006, 01:24 PM) |
Awesome.
Burn the motherfucker. |
Sorry, but as you saw it's a hanging.
What about :boom: ??
Valter - November 5, 2006 08:32 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Severian @ Nov 5 2006, 02:23 PM) |
| QUOTE (Chainsaw Buddy Chi @ Nov 5 2006, 01:24 PM) | Awesome.
Burn the motherfucker. |
Sorry, but as you saw it's a hanging.
What about :boom: ??
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Saddam wanted to get shot, but the judge said to hang 'em.
Chainsaw Buddy Chi - November 5, 2006 08:54 PM (GMT)
Hanging is cool too, almost as bad as burning.
Edit: No wait, they should put him feet first into a wood chipper.b
I Have a Sandwich - November 5, 2006 08:58 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Chainsaw Buddy Chi @ Nov 5 2006, 03:54 PM) |
Hanging is cool too, almost as bad as burning.
Edit: No wait, they should put him feet first into a wood chipper.b |
Or vice-versa. FARGO!
Blademastersupreme - November 5, 2006 09:10 PM (GMT)
How about they just fucking kill him quick and easy and you all stop coming up with ways to torture your fellow humans beings. (Regardless of the fact the he was a fucked up sob.)
Kaden - November 5, 2006 11:26 PM (GMT)
Hanging? Come on! Honestly, I thought it was concluded years ago that even a firing was a more humane approach to killing criminals. Although I do have to say, 'bout damn time.
Severian - November 6, 2006 02:49 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (BadManStayaway @ Nov 5 2006, 04:10 PM) |
| How about they just fucking kill him quick and easy and you all stop coming up with ways to torture your fellow humans beings. (Regardless of the fact the he was a fucked up sob.) |
Nah. If we torture him we can please the masses and make us feel like we've done something to help the world. It's kinda like when you talk about child abuse and most people are more concerned with eviscerating the abuser than what kind of support is being given to the child.
And besides, who really cares if he's tortured or not? Saddam is bad enough that I'm not going to shed tears for his torture, even if I think it's a waste of time.
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| Hanging? Come on! Honestly, I thought it was concluded years ago that even a firing was a more humane approach to killing criminals. Although I do have to say, 'bout damn time. |
Not sure. Don't people's necks break when they get hung right, like in "An Occurance at Owl Creek Bridge"? I assume that means pain is cut off immediately...
Whatever. My attitude is that whatever is cheapest should be done. That means strangling. I don't agree with the death penalty (I mean, I think it's good to kill saddam because then he won't get out or nothing) but I wouldn't care so much if people weren't so squeemish about the deaths they support. Shot, lethal injection, electric chair....the person's going to be dead anyway. Same with the vicious bloody gruesome death; instead of satisfying a need to be civilized, against violence, etc, it's the inverse, but the process of torture doesn't actually help anything in the world. If nothing else, it's an inefficient waste of time to spend a minute or two poking their eyes out when you can just put'em out like a light. And that's just the MOST practical reason.
Actually, I wouldn't support strangulation, because it could be dangerously more disturbing for an executioner who isn't able to remove themselves from doing what their society demands of them. But I imagine that....we have hanging posts up, so why use bullets?
Well, either way...at least he's dead soon.
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| Defense attorney Ramsey Clark was also in court, but he was soon ousted by judges for contempt of court. The court accused Clark, a former U.S. attorney general, of insulting the court and the Iraqi people. |
Interesting, by the way. Ramsey Clark was the attorney general but he's a bit of a nut, he really passionately believes that Hussein, as well as Milosevic, were alright. Now, I understand the reasoning behind representing a man like Hussein to ensure a fair trial and stuff, but he's gone as far as to justify Saddam.
That being said, I'm kinda disgusted by how america has manipulated this trial. We've gone after a (relatively, not actually) minor crime against humanity with the 1982 sentence, ignoring, say, the Halabja gasings of 1988, where a whole lot of kurdds died. The tribunal really circled around and avoided the incident...why? Well, could it be because the knowledge for making the chemical weapons was obtained from the US, along with others?
Nah, it's just chance that they ignored the deaths of as many as 7000 people.
Shadow - November 9, 2006 12:58 AM (GMT)
I'd say if you're going to kill him make it quick. The woodchipper thing, that sounds like something from Happy Tree Friends. I know what he's done, but not even he deserves complete torture.
The instant we start to do something like that we become like him, whether or not it is in the name of justice. Maybe he justifies his actions as justice. It's like the Law of Relativity. We have no absolute correct moral basis to judge ourselves upon, so who's to say what is right?
Personally I think life in solitary confinement without peroll would be much better. While death may deliver a quick blow, he will slowly die over a course of years. That way he still has to pay for his actions, but we do not have the stain of murder on our souls.
Alex - November 9, 2006 01:32 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shadow @ Nov 8 2006, 08:58 PM) |
I'd say if you're going to kill him make it quick. The woodchipper thing, that sounds like something from Happy Tree Friends. I know what he's done, but not even he deserves complete torture.
The instant we start to do something like that we become like him, whether or not it is in the name of justice. Maybe he justifies his actions as justice. It's like the Law of Relativity. We have no absolute correct moral basis to judge ourselves upon, so who's to say what is right?
Personally I think life in solitary confinement without peroll would be much better. While death may deliver a quick blow, he will slowly die over a course of years. That way he still has to pay for his actions, but we do not have the stain of murder on our souls. |
Damn, at first, I thought Cadin posted. :"(
Shadow - November 10, 2006 11:04 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Alex @ Nov 8 2006, 08:32 PM) |
| QUOTE (Shadow @ Nov 8 2006, 08:58 PM) | I'd say if you're going to kill him make it quick. The woodchipper thing, that sounds like something from Happy Tree Friends. I know what he's done, but not even he deserves complete torture.
The instant we start to do something like that we become like him, whether or not it is in the name of justice. Maybe he justifies his actions as justice. It's like the Law of Relativity. We have no absolute correct moral basis to judge ourselves upon, so who's to say what is right?
Personally I think life in solitary confinement without peroll would be much better. While death may deliver a quick blow, he will slowly die over a course of years. That way he still has to pay for his actions, but we do not have the stain of murder on our souls. |
Damn, at first, I thought Cadin posted. :"(
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Sorry. :mellow:
KuraiKitsune - November 11, 2006 05:52 AM (GMT)
I'm not going to bother quoting you, Bucket. It'd be too long. :lol:
Here's my two cents; bring back the guillotine, and televise the execution. The blade's falling is completely painless if the blade's sharp, and the gore and splatter will send both a message of fear and relief to those who see it; fear for wondering what would happen if they were ever on the business end of the blade, and relief to see a tyrant finally die in the midst of the bloodshed he seemed to relish so much.
As for the hanging, I don't believe it to be... satisfying, shall we say? If you see him hang, and he breaks his neck, there's really no closure. Just a 'snap', and then a body just kind of... hanging there. With a guillotine, you can tell when it's over, and can see the obvious signs that show he won't be getting up again. If his neck doesn't break, you're stuck listening to his strangled cries as the rope bites into his neck, creating nothing but a nice raw, bloody ring around his neck and a convulsing man on the end of the rope.
No one, I repeat, no one ever wants to see a man hung like that. That would only show the barbaric side of those who wished his death; the hideous hatred incarnate, hanging helplessly from the rope and trying to scream for mercy or escape by death as his windpipe is constricted. Then all we see in his last moments is the pathetic eyes of a man, desperate to cling onto the last strings of life... just like a dying child or terminal cancer patient. That same look of desperation; do you want that image burned into your memory?
I'm not saying he shouldn't die. I'm all for it. I'm just saying, there's a more efficient way to do it, and if we screw up this hanging, we'll be the ones who have the accusing fingers pointed straight at our hearts for being cruel and unusual. Cap him once in the head, and you'll be sure he's dead. Botch a hanging, and you'll have riots for years to come about it. >.<
I Have a Sandwich - November 11, 2006 06:12 AM (GMT)
While it's good to see you support y'know, killin' 'n stuff, there is always the chance of an 'accident' of the hanging where his neck isn't snapped and he just chokes for 10 minutes.
KuraiKitsune - November 11, 2006 03:27 PM (GMT)
...Didn't I mention that about three times in my last post? x.x I'm saying, if you're gonna hang the guy, make the drop long enough so that there's a really high chance of him breaking his neck.
I Have a Sandwich - November 11, 2006 05:32 PM (GMT)
No, I mean, they should rig it so that it DOESN'T break his neck, so he just chokes for 20 minutes.
Blademastersupreme - November 12, 2006 02:58 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ZetaKappaXylophone @ Nov 11 2006, 12:32 PM) |
| No, I mean, they should rig it so that it DOESN'T break his neck, so he just chokes for 20 minutes. |
They should? That's pretty sick man. Pretty damn sick indeed
Severian - November 13, 2006 01:43 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (ZetaKappaXylophone @ Nov 11 2006, 12:32 PM) |
| No, I mean, they should rig it so that it DOESN'T break his neck, so he just chokes for 20 minutes. |
I'm telling you. If you're gonna kill him, waste no finances. Two hands can choke a man pretty effectively, let some random civilian who isn't looking for a paycheck do it. Hell, we could set up an auction and let the highest bidder off him.
I mean, if we're gonna kill him we've already made his life worth nothing...so why not get some cash out of it? Even if it makes us a backward culture and makes a connection between killing people and economic rewards. Clearly, a lot of people are already deriving an emotional reward from his death.
Full Custom Spriter - November 13, 2006 02:00 AM (GMT)
I seriously did a backflip when I got the news.