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Title: How to Revive FEW


Kyrillos - November 10, 2006 01:48 AM (GMT)
Ok, this is how we should revive FEW. I'm completely serious about this:

First off, Lionheart needs to step down. Bluntly, I think he has no balls. That, and 'Ivan is extremely competent with the ACP. He knows it the best, and can work it. By giving him Root, we're giving an intelligent person, who was originally going to inheirit the site from Shadow/Cadin in the beginning.

Next, ALL STAFF, down to every forum mod, should be removed. 'Ivan should then hold TRYOUTS for the positions, from Admins to Forum Mods. When he finds the best people for the job [aka most qualified], he adds them to his team.

NOW, we get a Competent Forum team and Text RP team. Togther, they'll develop an EASY Stat and Text RP, where people can participate in one or both.

Finally, after our finished product is done, we advertise, advertise, advertise. Have 'Ivan use the 'Mass E-mail' function in the ACP to alert any members that may have ever been on FEW to get them to come back, hopefully.

If everything works out well, then FEW should be able to come back.

Kyrillos - November 10, 2006 01:49 AM (GMT)
Also, HIDE the Veteran Forum, it makes us seem elitist. It'll drive away younger members.

I Have a Sandwich - November 10, 2006 01:51 AM (GMT)
Or... Stop showing blatant dislike for the staff and the forum itself. It makes you ng members think we're self-loathing emos. Whether or not thats the case, it's still bad.

Kyrillos - November 10, 2006 01:53 AM (GMT)
It's called opinion, and I'm entitled to it.

I Have a Sandwich - November 10, 2006 02:12 AM (GMT)
Indeed you are. But it actually does damage to the cause that you are trying to support.

Just sayin.

The Entertainer - November 10, 2006 06:13 AM (GMT)
Hey ZKX why don't you try replying to the topic rather than attacking the guy in the first post? Just a thought.

Anyways, I don't like the whole take a poll thing for admins - I don't really see the need since they all seem to be good candidates. 'Ivan being a root sounds good though, I've always been an 'Ivan fan.

I love the idea of an easier Stat RPG - the complexity of the thing has always been a problem. IMO there are way too many factors in the FE formulas to even try to do what we do on this forum.

I Have a Sandwich - November 10, 2006 06:26 AM (GMT)
Hey, if you chose to take that as attacking be my guest. I was merely saying that the best way to make it more new guy friendly is to not create an enviroment that shows hostility between members and staff.

Besides, no matter the content make a post is replying. Hence the 'Add Reply'.

Leo - November 10, 2006 09:19 AM (GMT)
From a newbie's perspective, I suggest that the rules should be slightly more linient. Give more verbal warnings before resorting to raising of the warning bar and suspensions.

To be frank, it's comparable to FESS.

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I'm also not too keen on 'tryouts' for staff positions idea. IMO, Just let the admins choose who they think would be a good admin based on their behaviour rather than a tryout.

I also don't know much about the RPG section of the forum, but simplicity is always a good idea.


Lades - November 10, 2006 01:41 PM (GMT)
Aien has a point, as he always does, and frankly, I like it.

Ultima, I'm a fan, but we've done nothing since Karn left, and a driving force is nessessary. 'Ivan is known for outstanding work on the rpg, and perhaps he can revive it. Without it, we really don't have the "Wars" in FEW, save the people battling on the side. A simple, easy to jump into system is what's wanted, and the members are going to flock to what they like. I'll stop there, as this isn't a speech on my opinions for the RP.

As for text rpg, simplicity is needed for the newcomers, yet it's not as fulfilling to the more advanced Rp'ers. In which case, I'd propose that the offical RPG be done on an "Everyday Roleplaying" Level, but having a more advanced version with higher standards could be rewarded to those that achieve the level of Roleplaying needed. This would also raise skill overall, as people strive to be better.

Juan - November 10, 2006 02:50 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kyrillos @ Nov 9 2006, 08:48 PM)
Next, ALL STAFF, down to every forum mod, should be removed. 'Ivan should then hold TRYOUTS for the positions, from Admins to Forum Mods. When he finds the best people for the job [aka most qualified], he adds them to his team.


I agree with Aien for the most part, Except not every staff member should be removed. There are a few member that should be kept, but most of the others should be stripped of thier powers because of thier inactivity.

Lionheart - November 10, 2006 05:45 PM (GMT)
And would you like to tell me how I, as you say, have no balls? ^_^

Juan - November 10, 2006 07:54 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Nov 10 2006, 12:45 PM)
And would you like to tell me how I, as you say, have no balls? ^_^

Who exactly were you talking too?

Kaden - November 10, 2006 10:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Leo @ Nov 10 2006, 04:19 AM)
From a newbie's perspective, I suggest that the rules should be slightly more linient. Give more verbal warnings before resorting to raising of the warning bar and suspensions.

To be frank, it's comparable to FESS.

__________________

I'm also not too keen on 'tryouts' for staff positions idea. IMO, Just let the admins choose who they think would be a good admin based on their behaviour rather than a tryout.

I also don't know much about the RPG section of the forum, but simplicity is always a good idea.

You got it there. The rules do need to be more linient, or at least easier to find and understand. The fact that you can compare FEW to FESS should freak out the staff... it freaks me out.

Although I agree with that part of your post, the current staff was picked by admins, and as you can see, there is much debate on that. FEW hasn't been successful for the past year, and the staff has gone through many changes. However, when the staff is changed, it seems like previous staff members are put into power.

I think Aien's tryout idea is actually a pretty good one. People should have power based on thier ability, experiance, kindness, and willingness to get things done.

Kyrillos - November 10, 2006 10:47 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Nov 10 2006, 11:45 AM)
And would you like to tell me how I, as you say, have no balls? ^_^

You completely undermined several suspensions, and have done absolutely nothing at all since you've become Administrator in the public's eye except for a couple of demotions, and an overturning of a suspension that has been long overdue in several Veteran's eyes. You just can't let into other people like that, unless they can prove that they broke no rules on the forum. I'd trust your Global Mods rather than overturning them, because you promoted them because you thought they'd make the right decisions, and several members were...to say....disappointed in your lack of judgement on the matter.

You also have no balls, and I realize I'm repeating myself, I'm just trying to point it out in an easier to read spot, because you have done little to nothing in the time that I have departed and returned to FEW.

Kaden - November 10, 2006 10:54 PM (GMT)
Guys, get back on topic. >> Don't make me have Kurai come in and give you a warning. :P (Even though Ultima can't be warned...)

FEW has a habit of picking admins that try to distance themselves from members. I mean, all of 'Ivan's recent posts have had a maximum of twenty words. As for Ultima, I never see him on unless there's a huge problem on FEW. Considering that fact that this has happened more at FEW than any other forum I've been on (no matter who the admin is), it seems that we need to try out NEW ADMINS. Maybe keep one of the current ones as a root, and put in two new admins.

I Have a Sandwich - November 10, 2006 11:01 PM (GMT)
I agree wholly with Kaden.

Gimme powuh.

Shadow - November 10, 2006 11:10 PM (GMT)
Well I'm a new member so I'll give my bit. Try to improve the guide on the text-rp. I consider myself pretty competent when it comes to RPG's, but I was baffled by the instructions given.

Perhaps if I understood it, I could make an automated program to assist new users in creating their profiles.

Lionheart - November 11, 2006 12:55 AM (GMT)
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You completely undermined several suspensions, and have done absolutely nothing at all since you've become Administrator in the public's eye except for a couple of demotions, and an overturning of a suspension that has been long overdue in several Veteran's eyes. You just can't let into other people like that, unless they can prove that they broke no rules on the forum. I'd trust your Global Mods rather than overturning them, because you promoted them because you thought they'd make the right decisions, and several members were...to say....disappointed in your lack of judgement on the matter.

You also have no balls, and I realize I'm repeating myself, I'm just trying to point it out in an easier to read spot, because you have done little to nothing in the time that I have departed and returned to FEW.

The demotions and promotions were all made right as I got the job AS KARNS IDEA! His last decisions were deciding the staff and letting me go for there with some help when I needed it. If you're talking about overturning the whole Hiei suspension, don't think I was the only person who thought that. Karn also agreed that he needed punished, but he didn't need suspended for a week. If I had no balls, I would of completely gotten rid of punishment all together. He still needed his posts monitered before he could post anything.


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FEW has a habit of picking admins that try to distance themselves from members. I mean, all of 'Ivan's recent posts have had a maximum of twenty words. As for Ultima, I never see him on unless there's a huge problem on FEW. Considering that fact that this has happened more at FEW than any other forum I've been on (no matter who the admin is), it seems that we need to try out NEW ADMINS. Maybe keep one of the current ones as a root, and put in two new admins.

I'm on FEW EVERY DAY! I grow tired of having to say this to everybody. Tell me something, does somebody need to post constantly to be on the forum? I look over it, I don't need to post in every topic that doesn't need a post.

Kyrillos - November 11, 2006 01:35 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM)
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You completely undermined several suspensions, and have done absolutely nothing at all since you've become Administrator in the public's eye except for a couple of demotions, and an overturning of a suspension that has been long overdue in several Veteran's eyes. You just can't let into other people like that, unless they can prove that they broke no rules on the forum. I'd trust your Global Mods rather than overturning them, because you promoted them because you thought they'd make the right decisions, and several members were...to say....disappointed in your lack of judgement on the matter.

You also have no balls, and I realize I'm repeating myself, I'm just trying to point it out in an easier to read spot, because you have done little to nothing in the time that I have departed and returned to FEW.

The demotions and promotions were all made right as I got the job AS KARNS IDEA! His last decisions were deciding the staff and letting me go for there with some help when I needed it. If you're talking about overturning the whole Hiei suspension, don't think I was the only person who thought that. Karn also agreed that he needed punished, but he didn't need suspended for a week. If I had no balls, I would of completely gotten rid of punishment all together. He still needed his posts monitered before he could post anything.


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FEW has a habit of picking admins that try to distance themselves from members. I mean, all of 'Ivan's recent posts have had a maximum of twenty words. As for Ultima, I never see him on unless there's a huge problem on FEW. Considering that fact that this has happened more at FEW than any other forum I've been on (no matter who the admin is), it seems that we need to try out NEW ADMINS. Maybe keep one of the current ones as a root, and put in two new admins.

I'm on FEW EVERY DAY! I grow tired of having to say this to everybody. Tell me something, does somebody need to post constantly to be on the forum? I look over it, I don't need to post in every topic that doesn't need a post.

Actually, no. Hiei has done enough trouble around here with little to no punishment that he could've kept the suspension. There are a number of people who were wholly fed up with him, myself included, after I was...notified of the entire ordeal. What he did was Sexual Harassment, which can get you jailed for a nice amount of time, and can get you put on the Sex Offender's List, I believe. That isn't something to sneeze at with a little Moderation of Posts. He made a topic with the sole intent of flaming and trolling to my knowledge, and he gets off with little more than a moderation of posts. I don't think the US Court system is just going to slap his wrists if he did that real life.

Not only could it be considered Sexual Harassment, but it could be considered Slander as well, which is at least another year in prison. Catch my drift? You let him off easy, instead of showing it through.

And, we're getting off subject, PM me if you would like to comment further.

Juan - November 11, 2006 01:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Kyrillos @ Nov 10 2006, 08:35 PM)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Nov 10 2006, 06:55 PM)
QUOTE
You completely undermined several suspensions, and have done absolutely nothing at all since you've become Administrator in the public's eye except for a couple of demotions, and an overturning of a suspension that has been long overdue in several Veteran's eyes. You just can't let into other people like that, unless they can prove that they broke no rules on the forum. I'd trust your Global Mods rather than overturning them, because you promoted them because you thought they'd make the right decisions, and several members were...to say....disappointed in your lack of judgement on the matter.

You also have no balls, and I realize I'm repeating myself, I'm just trying to point it out in an easier to read spot, because you have done little to nothing in the time that I have departed and returned to FEW.

The demotions and promotions were all made right as I got the job AS KARNS IDEA! His last decisions were deciding the staff and letting me go for there with some help when I needed it. If you're talking about overturning the whole Hiei suspension, don't think I was the only person who thought that. Karn also agreed that he needed punished, but he didn't need suspended for a week. If I had no balls, I would of completely gotten rid of punishment all together. He still needed his posts monitered before he could post anything.


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FEW has a habit of picking admins that try to distance themselves from members. I mean, all of 'Ivan's recent posts have had a maximum of twenty words. As for Ultima, I never see him on unless there's a huge problem on FEW. Considering that fact that this has happened more at FEW than any other forum I've been on (no matter who the admin is), it seems that we need to try out NEW ADMINS. Maybe keep one of the current ones as a root, and put in two new admins.

I'm on FEW EVERY DAY! I grow tired of having to say this to everybody. Tell me something, does somebody need to post constantly to be on the forum? I look over it, I don't need to post in every topic that doesn't need a post.

Actually, no. Hiei has done enough trouble around here with little to no punishment that he could've kept the suspension. There are a number of people who were wholly fed up with him, myself included, after I was...notified of the entire ordeal. What he did was Sexual Harassment, which can get you jailed for a nice amount of time, and can get you put on the Sex Offender's List, I believe. That isn't something to sneeze at with a little Moderation of Posts. He made a topic with the sole intent of flaming and trolling to my knowledge, and he gets off with little more than a moderation of posts. I don't think the US Court system is just going to slap his wrists if he did that real life.

Not only could it be considered Sexual Harassment, but it could be considered Slander as well, which is at least another year in prison. Catch my drift? You let him off easy, instead of showing it through.

And, we're getting off subject, PM me if you would like to comment further.

Thank you Aien, The staff was to soft on Hiei. As for all the rest I think that Pondy's Idea of a reset might be a good thing for us. Maybe work on the staff and let 'Ivan and Karn hold try outs, to those they see as qualified.

Kyrillos - November 11, 2006 02:02 AM (GMT)
They're too soft on me, to tell you the truth.

Hypocritical, Hypocritical, I must now tell Sara something.

Dammit.

Kaden - November 11, 2006 02:23 AM (GMT)
I say if we must, keep Ivan and Ultima admins, and demote the other two. Then we hold tryouts for one more admin spot, 2-3 more GMod spots, and then when the RP is up, open up staff positions there.

Karn - November 11, 2006 05:21 AM (GMT)
As for Hiei, I said he should get a warning or two for his offense. The problem was whether or not his older warnings were outdated or not. If they were, he was suspended, if not, he wasn't. I left that up to Ultima to decide. The fact that I really had no idea whether they were outdated or not is a clear clue that we need to update our rules to be more precise. I personally think we should leave more up to the individual mods so people like Hiei and Aien don't try to do stuff that's borderline on the rules just for the hell of it.

As for the RPG, I'm willing to work on it. I think Pondy wants to simplify the rules. I'm thinking that Kurai and I should create whatever world we are using, if we decide to use a custom world, which I would personally like to do.

Another minor thing that I've noticed is that the people don't get into the RPG as much as they used to. The first couple times around everybody had sprites of their characters, sidebars and the like. Perhaps that was a flaw on the staffs part for getting rid of HTML for a short time. Just as a sort of boost, I would encourage all of you to make sprites or reuse old ones. When you can see RPG elements on every page it breeds interest.

I am definantly pro 'Ivan being promoted to admin. However, if we decide to further reorganize the staff, I'm not sure that I should be an admin. If you all deem it necessary, for whatever reason, I will. However, I've never really used the ACP much, even in the time I was an admin.

I Have a Sandwich - November 11, 2006 05:30 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Karn @ Nov 11 2006, 12:21 AM)
Just as a sort of boost, I would encourage all of you to make sprites or reuse old ones. When you can see RPG elements on every page it breeds interest.

Indeed. That was like, the only reason I stayed.

Kyrillos - November 11, 2006 11:05 PM (GMT)
That's why I'm for the root trusting the moderators to do their own crap.

My warnings are outdated, and I don't give a damn. I have 50%, but warnings at this point really don't matter.

I'm willing to re-pitch in on the Text RP, and spearhead the rules and such, and work on making it more open. I think Lades and Myself would be able to do that, considering that Kurai and Karn [to hereby be referenced as K-Team] would be creating and forming a Role play world. I'm willing to pitch in on any Global/Mod positions. I'm only willing to work as a Role play Moderator, which would simply enable me the ability to open, close, and move topics within the role play. I will say that I cannot see warn levels as a RP mod.


That being said, I also have some ideas for a world:

Islands, not continents. No 'developing'. All countries have FTA's and such at the beginning, wars and alliances can be secret, it adds to the role play.

Balanced Countries, no overpowered one country and such.

Global/Forum Team+ should be req'd to judge battles.

Continuing with that idea, we could create a roleplay [Textual] that involves around travel on boats of pegasi/wyvern. I could incorporate random bandit attacks easier this way, as well as make a cohesive plot to the roleplay.

Hiei - November 14, 2006 06:08 AM (GMT)
Where did I sexually harass anyone? Quit making stupid accusations that aren't true. Just because you feel to need to kiss every females ass on the forum doesn't mean you're cool or tough.

Ultima needs to be more decisive however, I do agree with that.

But where does a skinny ass punk like Aien get off telling Ultima to grow balls?

Try-outs? Dumb idea. How the fuck do you try out for a staff position?

Ivan is extremely competent with ACP? Who isn't, some monkeys could use ACP correctly.

Aien, go ahead and report me to the authorities, seriously. See what happens. NOTHING. Why? Because what I did wasn't sexual harassment or slander, so how about YOU stop your ridiculous slander? Fucking Hypocrit.

Lades - November 14, 2006 02:06 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (AL-X @ Nov 14 2006, 02:08 AM)
Where did I sexually harass anyone? Quit making stupid accusations that aren't true. Just because you feel to need to kiss every females ass on the forum doesn't mean you're cool or tough.

Ultima needs to be more decisive however, I do agree with that.

But where does a skinny ass punk like Aien get off telling Ultima to grow balls?

Try-outs? Dumb idea. How the fuck do you try out for a staff position?

Ivan is extremely competent with ACP? Who isn't, some monkeys could use ACP correctly.

Aien, go ahead and report me to the authorities, seriously. See what happens. NOTHING. Why? Because what I did wasn't sexual harassment or slander, so how about YOU stop your ridiculous slander? Fucking Hypocrit.

Okay...you wanted a contest calling the girls sluts and telling them to give you head. That's where that comes in. What, you get dumped by a girl and now hate all females or something? Gimmie a break. And, instead of being productive, you simply cause more strife. If you came back to make this place better, shut your damn mouth and make your suggestions diplomatically like everyone else or take it to a damn PM. The only mildly productive thing stated by you was Ultima needed to be more decisive. And then you flame Aien, rudely denounce other's ideas, and I'm even going into the monkey thing.

Damn...

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Now, back on topic here, Aien makes good points, as well as Karn. Already developed, ready for war countries sounds reasonable, and I'd like the countries balenced as well (Even though that can't really happen without the FT just moving soldiers around), and I'd be more than happy to help Aien out with a text RP. He'll have to explain it a lil more though.

Karn, you do have a point. When I first joined FEW, I was quite amazed to see all the sidebars with custom mugs and sprites, (My first time seeing them actually:P) and with one after the other of RP stats standing out, FEW gave an impression of fast intense RPing and great activity. I agree that in brew activity and draws intrest, so it should be encouraged strongly for appearence.

SpiralStatic - November 14, 2006 08:36 PM (GMT)
Warnings have been issued, cut the bullshit people, this is a serious topic.




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