For anyone who says rap isn't music, what qualifies music, then? Are you all that narrow-minded that just because you don't like something you don't accept it as music? Just because a small group of rap music is monotonous and about stupid things doesn't make the whole genre bad, it just makes you a presumptuous cock.

Personally, I don't find rap songs in general as bad as the actual rap in the songs. I guess I just classify music as a variety of notes with a variety of instruments. Some rap songs have really catchy and "musical" beats, but some just... don't. I guess the same can be said for the other genres, though. I'm just not a fan of rap in general. -_-

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Blow me, Hiei! Nice and deep, I wanna feel the back of your throat.

(S'all in good fun, don't take the "!"s as anger.)




AAAAAnd that's the end of your entertainment from me. G'bye!

Thanks for spamming my topic? That's cool, I guess when your boyfriend is an admin you never have to worry about punishment.

You don't have to be a fan of it, I could care less what music you like, but saying rap ISN'T music is stupid.

No, I'm actually waiting for it. It's either going to be Rey or Pondy... But it's so worth getting the warn. After that last debacle with you, I couldn't care less what you say anymore. I'll have my opinions and you'll have yours. And my opinion is that rap isn't music. If you don't like it, you can suck it. Now.

It'd be neither.

Rap's all the same and retarded, IMO. But I'm a very closed minded person, at least I know what I don't like.

Being bad does not DQ something as being music, so even if I hated all rap with my entire being I would still call it music. The only thing I've never been able to figure out is why carefully read poetry doesn't automatically become music. Not that I'm a huge poetry follower, but I'm just not sure what the difference is if you're measuring your meter, voice tone, etc carefully as you recite the poem. Meh.

But ya, rap's music. I don't listen to it all that much, but there's certainly some good stuff. Not that I'm able to list off any of the people who I've liked, since I usually just listen to my friends' music, not my own.

I listen to country :unsure: sometimes, which seems to get even more than hate than rap (depending on where you are). I don't think anyone ever accuses it of not being music, though.

I guess you could refer to rap as music, but I personally think it's degraded to something so base that it disgraces the art called "music" in its entirety. Sure, rap was positive back in the day, stuff like Public Enemy, and Run DMC, they were the voice of the people back in their time. What do we have now for "rap" though? "Gangsta" rappers? Southern Crunk? All this bullshit people like to call "rap music" is just infiltrating the business, and it's proof that mainstream media's just about money... There is some good rap music out there, however, stuff like Lupe Fiasco and Talib Kweli and the like. There are even some good mainstream songs, but those are few and far between. So, all in all, I believe rap is music, albeit shitty music at that.

The only contribution that I can make to this topic aside from saying that I love rap, and that I consider it my favorite genre of music, is that the crunk bullshit that they play on the radio isn't real rap. Lil Jon =/= Rapper. Jim Jones, Rick Ross, and Jay-Z are some of the better rappers of today. Oh, and just for Hiei, Lupe Fiasco, too.

Well, I don't consider gansta rap music, as all it does is further promote a stereotype that people insist on bitching about, then turn around and support. I'd consider rap from the early days like LL Cool J and Ice Cube as music because it incorporates the same aspect of the writing of songs.

For me, justification as music pretty much means that it or it's lyrics were written to express some type of feeling or message, not just filled with garbage that will sell, i.e. 50 Cent, [insert generic emo band], etc.

You're making a general statement based on your very limited knowledge on the music as a whole. I could say black people are a bunch of lazy, good for nothing niggers that only eat chicken, which based on my personal experience might be true, although as a whole it's incorrect. You've heard a few good artist, then "crunk," and make a statement with very little knowledge.

Also, "Crunk," and other shit like that is music. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't music, and if people are truly that narrow minded to think like that, then it's a problem. It's in the same mindset of hitler, and those favoring slavery, although in a differnet scenario. "I don't like this, so I don't consider it ______"

Wow. Same mindset as Hitler? You all gonna go kill all the gangsta's? I personally wouldn't mind...rap is music...albeit low-grade "Let's sell a bunch to all those guys that listen to it and feel cool an' shit cuz it's from the ghetto." All those gangsta rappers rap about their lives in the ghetto and people think it's cool. You think anyone of them would ever go back? Answer: Hell no. They started their rapping "career" to get out of that shit-hole. Would you go back where you got shot at twice a day?

Music is defined as words put to melody and rhythm.

Most rap nowadays is just rhymes being chanted at a very fast rhythm without a decent melody. And sometimes it doesn't even rhyme. :P

In my opinion, the only rap worth listening to are the ones that don't resort to violence, sex appeal, beer, drugs, or 'bling-bling' to attract viewers, a.k.a. almost none.

Then you need to listen to more than what's played on MTV. You can;t judge it just by whats popular today. That'd be the same as me saying rock sucks just because of all the shit bands that call themselves rock today, ignoring the ol music.

Goddamn, can't believe I'm defending rap

Any recommendations? I'd like to hear non-stereotypical rap. Maybe I can try to find them on Youtube or something.

Thats from Wiki. I say Rap is music. It has a beat, it has lyrics, but they're not singing. Big whoop.

Rap is music, Music that sucks. Some rap is good but most of it just blows. Most rap is just disgraceful.

How about you people know what you're talking about before you make stupid assumptions?

Mainsteam rap is maybe 20% of all rap, so you can't judge based on your limited knowledge.

I'll list some good rappers:
Pre 2000 Eminem
Jedi Mind Tricks
Immortal Technique
Lupe Fiasco
Tupac
Big L
NaS
Kano
Kayne West
Mike Shinoda
Obie Trice

there are a lot more, those are just the ones I feel like listing

Sorry my friend. I hate all rap. Including the "good" rapppers. It's cool if you like it...I just don't.

That's fine, you can dislike it, people just can't go around generalizing all rap to one small genre.

Really? How hypocritical are you?... You generalize all women to one genre: sex toys.


Alright, now I'm done.

Yea, but I'm not being serious generalizing females, you clowns ARE being serious generalizing rap genres, so you all are the fucking hypocrits. ;)

Now how about you leave and leave the logical arguing to the men, puff.

AL-X, I agree with that. There's East Coast, West Coast, R&B?, Hardcore, Gangster, and a lot more I don't renember.

Not all rap is the same. It's not all Bling-Bling, Crunk, and Grills. You guys obviously havn't heard The Black Album.

:wub: I love you too, Hiei. Thanks for lookin' out. What would I EVER do without you? :wub: :rolleyes:

Well its been a while since i've been around but on topic now. Rap has several genre of it, in my opinion. There's crunk which is mainly shit to party to or get amped (i dont like this one that much).

There's Hiphop, which is rap with meaning. Not that many artist nowaday demonstrate this ability. A few artist that I can think at the moment that have this talent are Nas, Lupe, Kanye, and Common. Some other rappers have this talent like Jay-Z and Game but these are normally hidden within there albums which no one really listens to.

Thats one of the major problems with hiphop. The listener wants bullshit to be served so the artist has to supply it. Artist like Jay and Kanye mix up there supply of bullshit and realness to help balance the music, but *most* dirty south rappers just supply bullshit that mainly promotes material that is 90% not nessery. wtf is a grill when white teeth is more comfortable. Seriously if one of my friends ever got a grill i'd punch em in the face and fuck up there jaw.

I'm gonna be real now. i never liked Hiphop until i heard of Kanye West. he was one of the first rappers who i felt was true. Hell even his temper tandrous personality made me admire him even more. Then i started exploring into the hiphop culture and found out around 80% of the real rappers are underground. When i heard of Lupe fiasco(before touch the sky) He was one of my favorites. Then around a year later when his album came out i loved it even more. In one of his songs he said

"I aint tryin to be the greatest,
I used to hate hiphop yep,
because all the women degraded,
but too short made me laugh,
so like a hipocrite i played it,
but like the hipocrite i stated,
i only recited half,
omittin the word bitch,
curse out women stated,
me and dog couldnt related,
until a bitch I dated,
forgive my favorite word from hers and hers alike,
but i heard that word from a song i heard and sorta liked."

now come on. how many artist have said that and in the same song he said

"I had a ghetto boy bop, a Jay-Z boycott
'Cause he said that he never prayed to God, he prayed to Gotti
I'm thinkin godly, God guard me from the ungodly"

and guess what. Jay Z is the excutive producers of his album, hell Jay Z made lupe main stream.

I'm not sure on how many fans lupe has because of his realness (and nerdiness, but seriously i would rather chill at home playin a PS3 with lupe then go to a club, seems more fun and wierd-like. How many times have you heard people say, "I met -insert famous person here- today. We were playing Super smash brother melee. It was awesome!") but once the listener opens his Eye and ears to good music, I believe hiphop will finally become influencial in a good way.

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see some shorties playin' Cops & Robbers, livin'
Bittersweet thoughts is what I had for them
I can picture colder feelin' Police chasin' after them
Catchin' up to, friskin' and askin' them
Where the packs at? Who yo' cheif is? Where the straps at?
Am I thinking too hard? Or perhaps that's reality
In a project mentality, but through it all
I hope we learn more than how to be whores and how to move a ball
Steady mobbin'

I've got some questions to ask, and I'm waitin' on some answers
Like, Why do the good die young? Why ain't there no cure for cancer?
Won't let the streets dicatate my glory
Cuz it's something out there for me
But I'ma flee my territory
So I won't end up, just a ghetto story
Just a ghetto story, just a ghetto story
Just a ghetto story, just a ghetto story

~steady mobbin by lupe fiasco

(btw i was bored so i wrote a long ass essay for this topic lmao)

Limited knowledge of the music as a whole? Read my post before you bash. Do realize that what I said was "It's music, I just think the mainstream's crap." That's all I said. Mainstream media in general's a piece of shit. Mainstream movies suck, mainstream television sucks, mainstream music in general sucks. Don't YOU go generalizing about MY knowledge of music. I wasn't generalizing about rap, I just said mainstream rap is shit. Go back and read what I sead before you bash me. I SAID there are some good rappers out there, and I mentioned a couple off the top of my head cause that's what was at the top of my head. So before you go postal with your stubborn view on "Rap Music" READ WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY. People have opinions Hiei, you're not the only one with view. Maybe I shouldn't've said rap in general is shitty music. What I meant to say was mainstream rap is shitty music. I admit defeat in that point only. But I stand by the rest of it.

Edit: And I never said I don't consider "Crunk" and all that other bullshit music. I said it's music, but I personally think it's shitty. Get your facts straight before you make assumptions and accusations about other people. You're just proving that you're the most narrow-minded person in this argument.

All I can say is that if you don't think rap is music, look at a large number of rock songs. From Walk this Way to One Week, they all have that faced paced rythym and similar form to them that many rap songs do have.

I like Pre 2000 Eminem, Jedi Mink Tricks and Kanye West, the rest aren't even known where I come from. And Mike Shinoda sold out Linkin Park, IMO. Although, I do like his work on Fort Minor

And to make it clear, I'm not actually bashing rap. I like rap. It's just that I hate stereotypical rap.

I dislike MOST rap, but some songs have more of a melody to them, and make them more interesting.

Most people who dislike something is mainly because of there influences. I disliked rock until i went to high school. I'm mainly around punk rockers, hippies, and normal rock lovers. I devolped a love for it because of them but i dont like to adapt to something without giving something in return. most of my friends have been introduced to the real rappers such as Lupe, Nas, immortal technique(i was a little scared to intoduce them to this guy), and some punch line rappers like Norm bates (the best out there), cassidy, and faboulous.

yeah swapping cultures is awesome.

I have to say, I don't pay much attention to rap or any music, but I would think of Tupac, Kanye, Shinoda (or at least, Linkin Park), at the very least as mainstream. Tupac in particular is probably the best known rapper as of right now, and the others have connections to Jay-Z if I remember right, who's totally mainstream.

Big L, I wouldn't expect many people to know. One of my friends is a big fan of his, but if I'm not mistake didn't that guy get killed before his career could really start?

When was Eminem's hit stuff released? I'm pretty sure I remember kids in my school being obsessed over Slim Shady and the like back in 1998 or 1999, cuz that was when I was in 5th grade. Is that when you feel he "went bad" or whatnot?

Tangent:
I thought the name Linkin Park was a connection to Leakin Park in Baltimore for a little bit, but I recently found out it was some sort of thing with Lincoln and looking local everywhere and stuff.

Bolded my favorites, along with adding a few. :wub: :wub: :wub:

Hard too beleive you had this argument without one black person. Lupe Fiasco is a good example of a good rapper, and Nas, and Jay-Z, Ive only heard one Mike Shinoda song(AND IT HAD LUPE ON IT BITCHES!!) and he iight. but you people have probably heard five second of a couple songs. One who wasn't listed was Outkast, listen to B.O.B.
Rap is music, all of rap. I really dont liek some on the new rappers, and some of it is getting out of hand. all the southern rappers are talkin about Trunk up top down and gleaming grills.(White people translation: Driving in the hood in their low riders IE: 59 impala, with the convertable top down, and the trunk up, drifting form side to side, and grills.) and weed, which is like the official material object of rap...huh? Oh, right. You people should try it before you knock it, and stop being dicks about it. If you hate rap, go to a friend or nearest person who likes rap, ask for good music, listen to FIVE WHOLE SONGS, and if you dont slightly like it then come bitch and complain to the people who like it. And since we are on the complaining topic, what the fick are we supposed to do, stop listening to rap? "conerts" too rock? Kill evey single rapper who lives and destrpy every single CD in existance? And obliterate every one who tries to bring it back?

xD LMFAO!

Rap can be music, but I consider it modern poetry. :P

Kio, the way you're going about arguing your point is really being just as bad as the people you're trying to convince to like rap. You annoy them just like they annoy you. Consider a different approach.

-http://dictionary.reference.com

based on these definitions, it seems to be part fact part opinion. According to #1, fact. But according to 6, opinion. I don't happen to personally find rap sweet or pleasing, and it just so happens that rap puts me in a rather sour mood, at least most mainstream rap, it's extremely egotistical, self-centered, and alot of it, testosterone driven which I can't stand.

Repetitive, mostly made with synthesizers, and it's not even singing. But I guess that point I can't really use since I listen to alot of screamo, which, partially isn't singing either, it's screaming, but mind you, those singers have to train their voices to be able to take the stress of screaming. M.Shadows , the front man for Avenged Sevenfold is a good example, from straining his voice he blew out his voice box.

None of these guys play an instrument, so there is a basic lack of talent. They just get a bunch of words to rhyme, or even make up some ridiculous words (snoop dogg).

Not to mention how 90% of mainstream rap lyrics are completely pointless. White T-shirts, fancy cars, tacky as hell jewelry that hangs from your neck not to mention covers your teeth. None of that stuff matters in life.


thats just what I think though. <3