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SpiralStatic - December 14, 2006 01:00 AM (GMT)
Well, I posted this rant in the staff forum, but a hell of a lot of good that did, so I guess if it's as unimportant as they're making it out to be, I'll let all of FEW see it.

QUOTE
Current developments in the management of this forum have me disgusted as of late, in all honesty.
1) Hiei, learn not to contradict yourself so much, it makes you look quite stupid, in all bluntness. Don't post something and then make a rule about the reply that rules out something you may not have liked. There was really no point in posting that topic about General OPINION on staff if you didn't want people to discuss, cause you know... last time I checked, opinions are pretty much grounds for discussion, are they not? On the same vein, weren't you the one who posted a topic saying "This forum isn't a fucking democracy so stop acting like it is one?" Highly contradictory. Stick to your views, or be a little less blatant in your radical changes of views.

2) Ultima, why the fuck do I keep hearing that you're saving a spot for Luis on staff? He's fucking useless and inactive. He was never useful back when he was active. He spammed more than he moderated. Now all of a sudden he has an automatic reserved spot on staff? How much sense does that make? On a similar strand, what's this deal with not wanting to promote Kaden just because you don't know him? I know this forum isn't a democracy, but it's not a complete autocracy either... You don't run the forum by yourself. Pretty much everyone who's active in the mod forum recommended him and thinks he's fit to be on staff, yet you refuse to demote him on account of not knowing him well enough? Not good enough. Thirdly, what the hell is with "I'll wait till something happens, then I'll start demoting people." Is not being active for the past month not enough to get someone demoted?

3) To the rest of the staff in general, get off your lazy asses and do something. I think the one person who's exempt from this nice little message here is Strike, and that's because he does his job and isn't actually strung up on upholding a "circle of friends." It's disgusting how clique based this forum is. Pisses me off. It pisses me off because Kaden's always bothering me about it and I CAN'T DENY IT. Can we get past not knowing people? Can we get past not liking someone? If someone's fit to be staff, let them on staff. If I made all of my choices based on personal preference, I'd have thrown a hissy fit at the prospect of Hiei being promoted again, don't you think? Can we be more like a working staff, and less like a bunch of idiots with "power"? Please?


Comment, whatever... I'm tired.

Kaden - December 14, 2006 01:03 AM (GMT)
Figures that the staff ignored it, they always do. This stuff worked at GF when we actually did things, but here, naw. People don't really care what happens here... at least that's what it seems like.

I Have a Sandwich - December 14, 2006 01:17 AM (GMT)
I agree with your opinion of reservation of staff positions. On other forums, when someone can't be mod to the site anymore, they leave without the expectation of getting it back. The power is then given to another person, not allowed to just kinda float there until they come back. When you abandon your power, you can't expect to get it back when you say.

Kaden - December 14, 2006 01:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ZeroKirbyX @ Dec 13 2006, 08:17 PM)
I agree with your opinion of reservation of staff positions. On other forums, when someone can't be mod to the site anymore, they leave without the expectation of getting it back. The power is then given to another person, not allowed to just kinda float there until they come back. When you abandon your power, you can't expect to get it back when you say.

That's the way it is on most forums. 99% of the time, people are replace right as they leave, no matter if it's for a month or a year. Temporary spots are the least that's given away.

Puff - December 14, 2006 01:24 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 08:03 PM)
Figures that the staff ignored it, they always do. This stuff worked at GF when we actually did things, but here, naw. People don't really care what happens here... at least that's what it seems like.

False. I care. Surprisingly enough.

Wow, I kind of feel bad, because in the General Opinion on Staff post, I didn't put Ultima under anything because I couldn't think of a reason why, since I don't know him and whatnot. He seems cool, but... yeah, I just... no.

As for other staff. Luis spammed? I never noticed. Are you sure? Are you sure you're just not being picky about RI?

I personally think that a small switch-eroo in staff would be nice. But not too much. Too much change would probably bring FEW to rot in hell. Ummm... Example, if a member has a problem with something, who are they going to know to go to? People don't always read the avie and name panal. . . Hmm. I read, but I don't even really know who is on staff: Ivan, Reyde, and Kayoh. That's all I was familiar with. I didn't know Strike was part of the government, nor did I know the others were... and I can't even remember who the others were at this point.

I rambled off track, crap...

Aien might be good in staff, not just RP Mod, or whatever he is. Personally, I respect the kid. He's logical compared to Hiei.

Hiei... I'm not even going to get in there. You all know what I think on that. And Reyde knows what I think about his promo.

Oh, going back to Ultima. I don't mean to be rude, but why not demote him? I'm not asking in hate, I'm just... Why not?

Kaden - December 14, 2006 01:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Puff @ Dec 13 2006, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 08:03 PM)
Figures that the staff ignored it, they always do. This stuff worked at GF when we actually did things, but here, naw. People don't really care what happens here... at least that's what it seems like.

False. I care. Surprisingly enough.

I meant the staff mainly. >_>

Puff - December 14, 2006 01:27 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 08:27 PM)
QUOTE (Puff @ Dec 13 2006, 08:24 PM)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 08:03 PM)
Figures that the staff ignored it, they always do. This stuff worked at GF when we actually did things, but here, naw. People don't really care what happens here... at least that's what it seems like.

False. I care. Surprisingly enough.

I meant the staff mainly. >_>

Oh. Ignore that statement, then. Oops. ^^;;

I Have a Sandwich - December 14, 2006 01:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 08:19 PM)
QUOTE (ZeroKirbyX @ Dec 13 2006, 08:17 PM)
I agree with your opinion of reservation of staff positions. On other forums, when someone can't be mod to the site anymore, they leave without the expectation of getting it back. The power is then given to another person, not allowed to just kinda float there until they come back. When you abandon your power, you can't expect to get it back when you say.

That's the way it is on most forums. 99% of the time, people are replace right as they leave, no matter if it's for a month or a year. Temporary spots are the least that's given away.

Exactly. If you were a great mod and leave, then you're usually given some kind of honorary position, like modship with no forum power, oir what an Advocate should be.

strikeraider827 - December 14, 2006 02:11 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 09:03 PM)
Figures that the staff ignored it, they always do. This stuff worked at GF when we actually did things, but here, naw. People don't really care what happens here... at least that's what it seems like.

What do you mean, may I ask? How could the staff have ignored it when he posted this exact same thing in the Staff forum before this one? We've already responded to this. Reyde's only trying to get attention.

Next time, don't say things if you don't have a clue of what's going on.

KuraiKitsune - December 14, 2006 02:21 AM (GMT)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you didn't respond, did you? I didn't, because I was talking to him while he made the topic. He's heard my input.

Yes, he's getting attention... by making a point. Last I've heard, that's encouraged, isn't it? Making valid points known?

Besides, all that was posted there, basically, was 'Calm down', or something to that effect.

Kaden - December 14, 2006 02:41 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (KuraiKitsune @ Dec 13 2006, 09:21 PM)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you didn't respond, did you? I didn't, because I was talking to him while he made the topic. He's heard my input.

Yes, he's getting attention... by making a point. Last I've heard, that's encouraged, isn't it? Making valid points known?

Besides, all that was posted there, basically, was 'Calm down', or something to that effect.

Owned.

Sorry strike, but from what I've heard, this completely blew over the heads of some staff members. If you think that one or two replies is enough for a topic like this, maybe you don't deserve to be staff.

As for attention, I'm told pretty much everything that goes on involving the staff forum. When Reyde told me this blew over the heads of the staff, I told him to post it here. Sure, he had a choice not to, but it'll maybe actually get something done if the members can see it. The staff seems to not worry about something until the members see it and agree, which usually still doesn't do crap.

Oh yeah, and don't disrespect Reyde. :angry:

Puff - December 14, 2006 02:49 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 09:41 PM)
Oh yeah, and don't disrespect Reyde. :angry:

Shut up. Reyde is super respectable, but your line there gave me the image that you were a little Shi-tzu trying to protect its owner. Puppy want a little bone. Aww, cute little puppy... <_<

Kaden - December 14, 2006 02:55 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Puff @ Dec 13 2006, 09:49 PM)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 09:41 PM)
Oh yeah, and don't disrespect Reyde. :angry:

Shut up. Reyde is super respectable, but your line there gave me the image that you were a little Shi-tzu trying to protect its owner. Puppy want a little bone. Aww, cute little puppy... <_<

It was a joke threat. XD Hard to do different voices with text. Now, stay on topic people! *I'm sooo off topic with this post*

Lionheart - December 14, 2006 03:04 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
I'm told pretty much everything that goes on involving the staff forum.

Which can cost a staffer their job. No leaking has been a rule for a loooong time.

SpiralStatic - December 14, 2006 03:08 AM (GMT)
The funny thing is I'm never the one doing the leaking. I've only told him about MY topic. So, put 2 and 2 together, and realize that I'm not the one leaking here.

Kaden - December 14, 2006 03:12 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Dec 13 2006, 10:04 PM)
QUOTE
I'm told pretty much everything that goes on involving the staff forum.

Which can cost a staffer their job. No leaking has been a rule for a loooong time.

If I am correct, I believe you gave Hiei permission to leak to me a couple of days ago. Thus, if you demote someone for leaking you have no right to be leading the forum. If no leaking has been a rule for a "loooong" time, then why would you break it, and take not punishment, but punish others for breaking it?

Lades - December 14, 2006 03:59 AM (GMT)
...Reyde. Damn. I'm gonna have raise my stock in you. Quite the valid point there.

Sojourn - December 14, 2006 09:29 PM (GMT)
I agree with Rey. Hiei is not fit to be in power and he has done so many things that should have kept him out of power for a long time. Granted he is a good staffer when he wants to be which is just about never. And when he isn't being a good part of staff he is just doing something to make people angry.

About Kaden. Yes I think he should be put on staff because he is active and he is responsible and if he is put into power then he will likely do his job as well as he has been with the graphix judging.

Saving a spot for Luis? LOL! Luis is kinda like Hiei exept he replaces the angering people with ticking people off with lots of spam. He is a good mod in some respects but he is lazy and kinda addicted with MS right now.

Kick 'Ivan and King Kong over there out of Admin position and Find someone who is active and can do the job other then Hiei because he will just cause more trouble then he will good. Then take Kurai off G-mod position and put Kaden in her spot. I don't like the fact that Hiei is in a G-mod spot but whatever, as long as he doesn’t annoy anyone.

Thats my opinion

Valter - December 14, 2006 10:16 PM (GMT)
I'm watching the forum die before me.

K. Why do ya'll care about this so much? Can't you be happy with what you got? All the time I'm here, theres someone ticked off at the staff. The staff that they wanted there before hand. Howz about we all shut up about it, K?

Puff - December 14, 2006 10:30 PM (GMT)
Because the staff is the foundation of the forum. Without a good staff, the forum'll be utter crap. And everyone is insatiable. So... That doesn't help.

And plus...

People have LIVES now, so everyone is all "AHH! Inactivity bad! Replace, replace, replace!"

Sure, a little change would be nice... but not like "BAM! New forum." And stuff, like everyone is practically saying. That's just ridiculous.

strikeraider827 - December 15, 2006 12:44 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 10:41 PM)
Owned.

Sorry strike, but from what I've heard, this completely blew over the heads of some staff members. If you think that one or two replies is enough for a topic like this, maybe you don't deserve to be staff.

As for attention, I'm told pretty much everything that goes on involving the staff forum. When Reyde told me this blew over the heads of the staff, I told him to post it here. Sure, he had a choice not to, but it'll maybe actually get something done if the members can see it. The staff seems to not worry about something until the members see it and agree, which usually still doesn't do crap.

Oh yeah, and don't disrespect Reyde. :angry:

This didn't blow over staff member's heads. And it isn't "one or two posts".

1. Simply, Hiei shouldn't be staff. He's such an ass and causes nothing but more trouble. I don't recall seeing anything rulewise changed by him to be "contridictiing" himself. Nor did I see anything stated by him that no one could discuss their opinions. Prove me wrong if you see fit. One last point: I didn't support Hiei being promoted. If there was a topic about it and I didn't post an opinion, it's because I knew I was the minority again and saw no need to post knowing "everyone else" wanted him back.

2. Luis doesn't have a saved spot on staff. THis was the first time I've heard anything like this. I really don't recall Luis spamming much if at all. And Kaden hasn't been promoted because I have not ONCE seen him do anything that would make him a good staff member. He's spammed, that's about all I've ever seen him do. The one time we worked together on a staff, he seemed incompotent and wishy-washy. The board died within a week or two.

3. *reads* I don't think I need to comment on this. The staff isn't just sitting on their asses. We have lives. Several of them have been working on the next RPG for awhile. Could they do a little more? Yes. Now on the "cliqueness", maybe it is. If someone's qualified, promote them. If they haven't

There we go, argue away if you see it necessary.

Hiei - December 15, 2006 01:16 AM (GMT)
I replied to the topic, and you got my views in there already. Unlike a lot of people, I'm actually an active staffer.

I read Puff say "people have lives" somewhere. I'm sure they do! I have a life, but I gurantee you that even if you're the most sociable person at your school, you'll still have an hour of freetime 3 or 4 times a week. I hang out with friends after school every day, but it still leaves time for forums. If you can't be active, simply quit your staff job instead of being an asshole and clogging up space.

Kaden - December 15, 2006 01:59 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (strikeraider827 @ Dec 14 2006, 07:44 PM)
QUOTE (Illiterate @ Dec 13 2006, 10:41 PM)
Owned.

Sorry strike, but from what I've heard, this completely blew over the heads of some staff members. If you think that one or two replies is enough for a topic like this, maybe you don't deserve to be staff.

As for attention, I'm told pretty much everything that goes on involving the staff forum. When Reyde told me this blew over the heads of the staff, I told him to post it here. Sure, he had a choice not to, but it'll maybe actually get something done if the members can see it. The staff seems to not worry about something until the members see it and agree, which usually still doesn't do crap.

Oh yeah, and don't disrespect Reyde. :angry:

This didn't blow over staff member's heads. And it isn't "one or two posts".

2. Luis doesn't have a saved spot on staff. THis was the first time I've heard anything like this. I really don't recall Luis spamming much if at all. And Kaden hasn't been promoted because I have not ONCE seen him do anything that would make him a good staff member. He's spammed, that's about all I've ever seen him do. The one time we worked together on a staff, he seemed incompotent and wishy-washy. The board died within a week or two.

Me? Spam? Wow, you really must not be on as much as I thought. I haven't really spammed for the last 6-12 month I've been a member. Only thing I've ever been warned for on this site is flaming, and that was over a year ago.

As for not doing a single thing on the forum? I'm a graphics judge. Although I may not be the most accurate judge, at least I attempt to get to every topic that's posted. If I don't get to one, it's usually because it's old and I missed it, but others got it, or I couldn't get on for a week or so. Not only that, but I give suggestions. 2/5 of the things in the suggestions forum are mine, and they're serious suggestions. How many have been carried out though? I haven't done a thing through suggestions because I always get turned down. >>

It's almost impossible to do anything as a member on FEW. I mean, I'm a graphics judge, sure, I can help out, but how can I when suggestions aren't taken seriously, and you're not given a chance to advance through the forum if you're not friends with key members of the staff. I mean, you make one or two staff members mad ONCE, especially admins, there's no way you're ever going to be put in a position of power. Strike's reason for not wanting me promoted is that he's seen me spam, which was maybe the month I joined, and he was on a forum with me once, which was probably also a month after I joined. Ultima's two reason for not promoting me are that I said ONE thing in ONE topic, and that he doesn't know me well engouh. Eh. no balls

And uh, what staff were you on with me? I can garuntee you that it wasn't GF, 'cause I practically did everything for that place. FEC? It was good for a while, but DT left, in which case it died. Any other forums? Eh, a lot of mine I killed off because there was no potential what-so-ever. The Gundam forum is the one I think you were at least a member on. It was open for two weeks before I scrapped it. I didn't have the time, didn't have the experiacne then, and I sure as hell didn't have a choice since all my members (lol, 2) were going on vacation for like, months.

A final thing... never recalled luis spamming much? What the hell?

Esgalglinion - December 15, 2006 02:16 PM (GMT)
And what do you do Hiei? The times I've been on, the only thing I've seen you doing is editing people's post that has an opinion against your ideas, make topics about what staffers to keep and who to ditch, or work on some sort of skin for the site. And out of those three, none of them are really that important. That's the only thing I can make out of the stuff you do.

Not only that, but you keep on posting "I'm leaving" topics, only to come back later and get re-instated to your position. Is it that difficult to leave power behind?

And who are they cloggin up space for? Empty air? To me, there doesn't seem like there's a single good candidate out here which could make a difference to the site by attaining power. Or are you speaking of a personal "Yes-man" that actually sides with your opinions you want to have power so he can help you out? Leave that for the swedish government, not this site.

I don't have access to the staff forum, so I can't actually see what you post in those forums or what you do, but from what I hear from those staffers still being decently active, you're not doing a lot there either.

And perhaps you're right about people having at least an hour of freetime after having their life done, but really, would most people actually spend that hour to come to a site, where a bunch of lunatics is constantly having personal wars against eachother?

Hiei - December 15, 2006 11:40 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Esgalglinion @ Dec 15 2006, 09:16 AM)
And what do you do Hiei? The times I've been on, the only thing I've seen you doing is editing people's post that has an opinion against your ideas, make topics about what staffers to keep and who to ditch, or work on some sort of skin for the site. And out of those three, none of them are really that important. That's the only thing I can make out of the stuff you do.

Not only that, but you keep on posting "I'm leaving" topics, only to come back later and get re-instated to your position. Is it that difficult to leave power behind?

And who are they cloggin up space for? Empty air? To me, there doesn't seem like there's a single good candidate out here which could make a difference to the site by attaining power. Or are you speaking of a personal "Yes-man" that actually sides with your opinions you want to have power so he can help you out? Leave that for the swedish government, not this site.

I don't have access to the staff forum, so I can't actually see what you post in those forums or what you do, but from what I hear from those staffers still being decently active, you're not doing a lot there either.

And perhaps you're right about people having at least an hour of freetime after having their life done, but really, would most people actually spend that hour to come to a site, where a bunch of lunatics is constantly having personal wars against eachother?

I've posted more topics in the staff room in the last week than most staffers have posted PERIOD. I'm by far one of the most active staffers.

Sojourn - December 16, 2006 12:12 AM (GMT)
If you aren't doing anything that will help the forum but are super active then it doesn't matter.

Hiei - December 16, 2006 01:09 AM (GMT)
I also suggest MANY, MANY things.

Sojourn - December 18, 2006 12:57 AM (GMT)
So do I.( or at least I used to) But since I am not a "Senior Member" nothing I say means anything.

And even if I was considered a Senior member then it still wouldn't matter cause Ultima doesn't know me and I have never had a position of power on FEW other then Arbiter but thats pretty much nothing.

'Ivan - December 18, 2006 02:19 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (ZeroKirbyX @ Dec 14 2006, 08:17 AM)
I agree with your opinion of reservation of staff positions. On other forums, when someone can't be mod to the site anymore, they leave without the expectation of getting it back. The power is then given to another person, not allowed to just kinda float there until they come back. When you abandon your power, you can't expect to get it back when you say.

Aww. ^_^ I wasn't aware of that one...though I do agree that inactivity without a good reason should result in at least temporary replacement.

I Have a Sandwich - December 18, 2006 02:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE ('Ivan @ Dec 17 2006, 09:19 PM)
QUOTE (ZeroKirbyX @ Dec 14 2006, 08:17 AM)
I agree with your opinion of reservation of staff positions. On other forums, when someone can't be mod to the site anymore, they leave without the expectation of getting it back. The power is then given to another person, not allowed to just kinda float there until they come back. When you abandon your power, you can't expect to get it back when you say.

Aww. ^_^ I wasn't aware of that one...though I do agree that inactivity without a good reason should result in at least temporary replacement.

Well, even inactivity WITH good reason should result in replacement. Inactivity is inactivity.

Lades - December 18, 2006 06:56 AM (GMT)
Hiei, being as we can't see the staff forum ,why not throw some quotes in with the suggestions you've made lately, so people have conclusive evidence. Then another staffer can make sure they aren't stolen from anywhere.

Nothing like something you can see to support yourself. ^_^




On ZKX, point valid. If a worker isn't at the workplace, no sense saving a parking spot.

Black Valor - December 20, 2006 11:57 AM (GMT)
Well, if you are going to "demote" someone, at least have the decency to ask them to step down from their position, 'specially if its for reasons of inactivity. I used to mod in the off hours, but that's neither here nor there. My point is only that it majorly bites when you come in to check on things and find out that you can't get in to do your job.

As for staff - I don't know most of them. Only 'Ivan, Karn, strike... Karn most out of the three. Maybe familiar with a few more names, but hey, I'm not here 24/7.

And while change isn't a bad thing, too much might tip the boat. FEW has been surviving pretty well so far, due to its members/staff. (This is despite a few efforts to mess it up) But hey, complain if you want. Your priviledge.

Hiei - December 20, 2006 01:17 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lades @ Dec 18 2006, 01:56 AM)
Hiei, being as we can't see the staff forum ,why not throw some quotes in with the suggestions you've made lately, so people have conclusive evidence. Then another staffer can make sure they aren't stolen from anywhere.

Nothing like something you can see to support yourself.  ^_^




On ZKX, point valid. If a worker isn't at the workplace, no sense saving a parking spot.

That's this thing called leaking, that gets me kicked out of the staff room. ;)

If Ultima approve though, I'd love to.

8/10 of the most recent topics in the staff room are created by me, if that gives you an idea.

Not all are suggestions, some are imformitave, but it's to point out my activity.

And Black Valor, FEW has taken a big activity dip as of lately.

Sojourn - December 20, 2006 09:46 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (BALLLIIINNNN! @ Dec 20 2006, 08:17 AM)
QUOTE (Lades @ Dec 18 2006, 01:56 AM)
Hiei, being as we can't see the staff forum ,why not throw some quotes in with the suggestions you've made lately, so people have conclusive evidence. Then another staffer can make sure they aren't stolen from anywhere.

Nothing like something you can see to support yourself.  ^_^




On ZKX, point valid. If a worker isn't at the workplace, no sense saving a parking spot.

That's this thing called leaking, that gets me kicked out of the staff room. ;)

If Ultima approve though, I'd love to.

8/10 of the most recent topics in the staff room are created by me, if that gives you an idea.

Not all are suggestions, some are imformitave, but it's to point out my activity.

And Black Valor, FEW has taken a big activity dip as of lately.

And If Ultima approved of it that owuld be bad because of the thing called the "No leaking rule" and if he made a exeption for you then that would make him biased and I don't really like biased people especially when they are biased in the direction that is not my own.

Lionheart - December 20, 2006 11:55 PM (GMT)
What happens in the staff forum, stays in the staff forum.

I had to say it.

Sojourn - December 22, 2006 04:35 AM (GMT)
Kinda like "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas" ^_^

Anyway being done with my off post of the day....

Leo - December 22, 2006 08:34 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Lionheart @ Dec 21 2006, 07:55 AM)
What happens in the staff forum, stays in the staff forum.

I had to say it.

Indeed. Although I'm surprised at the lack of respect for Staff in FEW




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