Basically, I've been reading about the "Culture Wars", and on another forum, I've basically went and every week, I bring up another topic associated with the Culture War's issues.

Basically, It's a matter of seeing if we're all more Right wing or Left wing.

I'd think this would be an interesting thing to bring to FEW, but if there's little reaction, I'll stop :P

I encourage debating, but please refrain from just saying "I think this is right/wrong and if you don't, you're an asshole".

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To start off, I think you should have the right, if you've been sexually assualted, but if it's just unwanted impregnancy, then you should have to, but if you can't bring up the child yourself according to child abuse laws, then you have the right to give your child to a nursery of sort, but you must; by law; go to the nursery at least once a week (Or something along those lines), also you must pay child support to the nursery (Tax payers shouldn't have to take the toll for the dumbasses).

So since I really don't have a yes or no answer, I'll go with undecided.

For me, abortion isn't right. Ever. If you're not willing to have a kid, just don't have sex. Even if you're using a condom, there's still that risk, so if you do get knocked up, have the kid and send it to an orphanage. Rape kids are pretty much the same, just because you got raped, don't kill the kid because of it. Have it and if you don't want it, get rid of it, but don't kill it.

Well, It's not like they're gonna forced raped kids to have an abortion, but give them the right to.

But yeah, I totally agree about the first part of your post.

EDIT:Grammer check >_>

Allow requested abortion for rape victims only. Use the embryo for the stem cells, and save lives using the life of something that should never have been.

Any other people wanting abortion will simply have to have the child and find another option.

Of course, then we have countless cases of girls accusing their partners of raping them... <_<

I agree with 'Ivan and Kirby, and I even live in a country were abortion is supported greatly. Although, for girls not yet 18 should be able to give the right for abortion, even if not raped, since they haven't gotten out of school yet.

Another group of people that should have the availability of abortion should be those women with weak bodies, since the wouldn't be able to withstand giving birth.

Edit: You should add partly :P

Kirby and I are opposing, though. :mellow:

When I agree with him, I kinda just mean "You don't want kids, don't have sex", but it's not that important :P

Well, Ivan could change it for me to Agree, Partly Agree, Undecided, Partly Disagree, and Disagree

I think that's a pretty good idea there, although that's running into another topic :P

I agree with ZKX. If you don't want a kid, don't have sex. And if you do get raped it's not the baby's fault, So why kill an innocent? If you don't want the baby just give it to an orphanage.

But ah...why go through those 9 months for a kid you despise? And a hellish time when giving birth, too? Technically, it's not a living being until it's heart starts beating and it's brain starts working, which is after about 2 months.

I'm generally against abortions. I remember hearing a speech about it... and it stated that the time when you're supposed to have an abortion is the time the nervous system begins to develop, so you're technically killing a person. I realize now that you'd be killing it anyway, but when the nervous system is on the go, doesn't that make it so much worse?

I agree with 'Ivan's suggestion on allowing abortions for rape victims. It doesn't really seem fair that a woman would have to live with a physical reminder of it, even if she did give it up for adoption. I mean, wouldn't the kid begin to wonder why he/she was given up? And wouldn't the actual reason be pretty hurtful? :/

Even if it is painful to give birth to an unwanted child, you are still taking a life. It's not the kids fault, He shouldn't be punished by being put to death because of something someone else did.

You're not the one who would have to deal with it. Imagine the child's pain (assuming he has no traits of his father) when they find out not only that they were adopted, but also that they weren't wanted. You tell a kid that he was a mistake, that his father was a horrible person.

There's also the chance that the child turns out like his father. How many more sexual predators do we need?

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Huh. Now it's going into adoption? My dad was adopted (along with a couple Uncles); he talked to me about it some years back. He couldn't have been happier with another family; Grandma and Grandpa were the best. I asked him why he didn't try and find his biological parents, he said "If they didn't want me and put me up for adoption, then f*** them; I'm not wasting my time looking for them." And then, I can't remember if it was after Gramma died or after Grandpa died, but one of them said to him, "Gordy, you were the best thing we ever did."

Anyway, now that that's gotten me all teary-eyed... again... ... Abortion.

I'm conflicted with myself on the idea of abortion. I mean, hell, it's the mother's choice. I don't care if she was stupid and got an unwanted pregnancy. Better to kill it, I think, than to live with something that you never wanted in the first place. If they used some sort of contraceptives, they don't want a baby; she should have the right to abort it. However, if they didn't use any type of contraceptives, then live with the thing or give it to a family that can't conceive. "Oh, I got pregnant because my boyfriend and I had unprotected sex. I don't want the baby, though." Really? Then he should have capped before he tapped.

You can't possibly tell everyone that doesn't want a baby to not have sex. That's ridiculous. Some do it for pleasure; others doing it for the fun; and some even do it for excersize. Yeah, one round of hard sex burns over 500 callories. So if you really want to lose something or build muscle, make it hurt.

Hah. Sorry, that was really inappropriate... Oh well.

I know that if I were to get pregnant now, I'd probably go to jail because I'd kill the thing myself. I can't stand kids at this age. They're bratty and annoying, and eww. . . But in all reality, we wouldn't have to worry about that, since I'm staying abstinent until my mid-idh twenties.

Huh, what else?

Stem cell research? Like, for cloning? I'd personally rather kill it. With cloning you're making an exact copy of traits, but you still have to teach the thing, 'cause it doesn't copy existing knowledge of the initial thing.

To be honest, I don't really care about abortion because I'm a selfish, self-centered, greedy bastard.

However, theoretically, if I cared, I'd have to say the current policy is good. I think they can only occur in the first trimester or something.

I am undecided on all moral issues.

It seems strange to consider an embryo a human life when it is as intelligent as some animal. If we are allowed to kill animals, then we should be allowed to kill fetuses. Unless you look at life in terms of potential rather than actuality. And you also have to take into account whether or not it's moral to kill other unintelligent creatures. Obviously you can see how I'm undecided.

Nevertheless, if I somehow got someone pregnant (very unlikely), I would get an abortion.

For some of the reasons in Freakanomics, such as the fact as intelligence (IQ) is mostly hereditary, the baby of a woman who is poor (her whole family mostly uneducated/poor) will do only *marginally* better even if adopted (like schools and jobs and such), most of the time. Therefore I think it unwise to force a child through that kind of life. I am not advocating Romanian style 1-out-of-every-four-children kind of abortion, and I think that it is better just not to have sex.

However, for a woman who is sickly, and going to have a baby who is seriously sick, or if having a baby can damage/kill that woman, why force the child through the torture of living diseased if it is going to die slowly and painfully over the next 10 years? Or why force a woman to die as such? That is where I really disagree with the harsh anti-abortion bills that (thankfully) did not get passed in some states. And, as Steven Levitt put it, mothers generally know best about their parenting ability, so why can't she, who will go through childbirth, the very painful and possibly fatal procedure, if she is diseased or unable? Why does it have to affect every conservative "true christian" when a mother makes her own choice?

Basically, the government has no say whatsoever in personal choice, especially if their forcing can end up harming more than helping.

1) Don't you reproduce by budding, Mr. Robot? :P

2) That's the thing. To the extent of my knowledge, pregnant women become very fond of their babies. Forcing a woman to have an abortion seems... like the father is irresponsible. You made it, you take care of it. Just because the baby isn't physically depends on you, as it is the mother, doesn't mean you should kill or abandon it.

It's all up to the mother, in my opinion. If a girl feels she isn't ready for motherhood, why force her to have the baby? Second of all, a number of teenage births are, well, premature and sickly babies. Why? Because, while the girl's body is technically ready to produce children, she's not really ready for it yet, so pregnancies can be quite the burden on both mother and child. I'm not for abortion, but I'm not against it. If I got a girl pregnant, I'd beat the shit out of myself first, prepare for the verbal abuse from my parents, then work a couple of jobs and try my ass off to support that baby, and the girl. Of course, I have no intention of getting a girl pregnant, which is why I carry around Trojans... Sure, it's not 100%, but let me not be in the 1% that phails... that would suck. But yeah... I don't plan on having kids or getting married for that matter 'till my late 20s anyways.

That's exactly why it's very unlikely. @_@

You're right, I wouldn't want the responsibility of a child, and that's exactly why I would opt for abortion in this hypthetical situation. Is avoiding the responsibility in the first place irresponsible?

I think some people would consider it cowardly, though not I, it's your choice. But some people would consider you getting a girl pregnant and then having her get an abortion would be kinda like running away.

I'd call it tactical retreat. @_@

Exactly, Rey. That and lack of commitment. It shows that you don't care enough for the girl to be there for her through thick or thin.

I totally agree there

and has anyone here read about the methods they use for abortion? I have a flyer type thing around somewhere that I can retype, if not. just about made me sick just thinking about it.

They kinda scrape the fetus out. It's not the whole story, but it's generally what they do.