Title: 'Ere we go again.
UnrealBlight - July 3, 2007 11:45 PM (GMT)
Okay, so there comes a time, in every reset that we all go "Damn, it's dead". I believe we had that time a bit ago, just no one wanted to say it.
So, here's the dealio, I half tried before, tried to get others to try, and which they just ignored trying to help FEW whatsoever, and then I also said I'd help again by judging all the battles which I didn't follow through with.
This is the same freaking thing every reset, all the members are geared up for it, we're havin' fun, and not even a month into it, the forum team just ignores it, and we go nowhere. It's been said every single reset, but never followed through because we're all just contempt with the RPG being back up to give a damn; but we really have to focus on getting a group of people who truely are dedicated to not only getting the RPG running, but actually working together to do so.
This is more or less off what I'm saying, but something that amazed me was with the Fire Emblem Symphony thing, we half assed basically everything, and it's still going well, and instead of the Forum Team not keeping up, we've kinda stopped because we don't have enough members. So that just tells you that if the Forum Team at least halfway tries working together that you'd get somewhere.
Now, ignoring that semi-ranting part, here's some things I wanted to point out for having the next reset successful or whatever we're going to do:
- Forum Team work together. The only thing I saw this reset was Pondy and Ultima almost fighting, after Pondy basically did everything, and then gave Ultima the responsibilties, in which Ultima didn't do near any of them, while Pondy didn't do the few he was left with. I'm seriously wondering if you even want the RPG to live or not.
- Listen to what we're saying, I distinctly remembering seeing at least 5 topics with like 30+ posts of everyone giving great ideas to help the RPG, but few if any at all were put to use, the hell is that about?
- Don't automatically make Forum Team members the country leaders, I'm not saying that Forum Team should get to do nothing after all thier work, but countries should be member led IMO, maybe even make all the leaders people who haven't been a leader yet, as a "new generation" thing.
- Clear all the rules up and etc. before actually having the reset, It seems like every reset is either 1)Board is shut down for a week so the Forum Team can start working. That's just crazy, do everything beforehand. 2)Board is shut down for an afternoon. Which all that's been done is some forums have been moved/emptied, and 2-3 topics are posted in the rules forum. You can't just say REDOS! and then hope everything works better then it did last time.
- Judges should JUDGE, if you plan on being a judge, you sure as hell better plan on judging, not just having the title and sitting around. We have like 15+ judges I think, and not even 5 battles per day judged TOTAL. That's only 1 battle per 3 judges, and we can't even do that.
There's more then just that, that should be said, but then again, I'm sure everyone's going to read this, and go about their day anyways, or just say that the RPG's already active.
<_<
UnrealBlight - July 4, 2007 02:47 PM (GMT)
Almost 150 views, and not a post, you're killing me guys :lol:
Saberin - July 4, 2007 03:52 PM (GMT)
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Well said you crazy person, well said.
Yeah forum team members leading a country pins on far too many additional responsibility, members are probably the most effective...
If its really really hard to get the team going though, would it be more effective or least to add an additional forum team member do you beleave?
Esgalglinion - July 4, 2007 04:03 PM (GMT)
I would've said something UB, I just didn't know what. <_<
I agree with you completely. I don't blame Pondy that much, though. Pondy tried to get it started, and it worked out for a little while. Later on, however, Ultima was the one that was supposed to make sure everything worked, yet I haven't seen him do anything. Since Pondy thought Ultima would do something, Pondy thought he could take a break, since he doesn't have AC at home.
It's sloppily done though from the beginning. If they say we're going to do a reset that works for once, then they should at least plan it better to begin with. We can't have everyone leaving for vacations and stuff if they haven't thought about it while planning.
I don't think we'll have to reset again already, I think however we just need to re-think the strategy about it.
Ultima - July 4, 2007 04:14 PM (GMT)
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| I agree with you completely. I don't blame Pondy that much, though. Pondy tried to get it started, and it worked out for a little while. Later on, however, Ultima was the one that was supposed to make sure everything worked, yet I haven't seen him do anything. Since Pondy thought Ultima would do something, Pondy thought he could take a break, since he doesn't have AC at home. |
You guys are aware of the fact that I wasn't supposed to change anything right? The only thing I was doing was getting rid of that new rule that I didn't like. Everything else was supposed to remain the same, and the members were supposed to keep the RPG going if they cared enough to ask for fights and ask for them to be judged.
and btw...I didn't ask to take the RPG..The only compromise Pondy came to was giving me complete control.
UnrealBlight - July 4, 2007 04:29 PM (GMT)
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| I would've said something UB, I just didn't know what. <_< |
It's alright, like I said, I honestly didn't expect any response.
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| I agree with you completely. I don't blame Pondy that much, though. Pondy tried to get it started, and it worked out for a little while. Later on, however, Ultima was the one that was supposed to make sure everything worked, yet I haven't seen him do anything. Since Pondy thought Ultima would do something, Pondy thought he could take a break, since he doesn't have AC at home. |
Well, from what I've heard, Pondy did basically everything himself, which was pretty near-sighted IMO, and then Pondy and Ultima had a little rundown and Pondy told Ultima to basically do almost everything that he was doing.
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| It's sloppily done though from the beginning. If they say we're going to do a reset that works for once, then they should at least plan it better to begin with. We can't have everyone leaving for vacations and stuff if they haven't thought about it while planning. |
Exactly, we should have everything all planned out, and everyone understands the rules, everything cleared up, and THEN reset. It would save us all a hell of alot of hassle.
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| I don't think we'll have to reset again already, I think however we just need to re-think the strategy about it. |
I don't want to reset this early either, but there's just too many things to fix and clear up, and no one's doing anything about it, it's better I think to just start all over again, and have everyone work together, as opposed to one person on the forum team doing everything himself, and then everyone expect it to be perfect.
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You guys are aware of the fact that I wasn't supposed to change anything right? The only thing I was doing was getting rid of that new rule that I didn't like. Everything else was supposed to remain the same, and the members were supposed to keep the RPG going if they cared enough to ask for fights and ask for them to be judged.
and btw...I didn't ask to take the RPG..The only compromise Pondy came to was giving me complete control. |
That's the view that makes the RPG die single time, Forum Team gets it set up, and then doesn't change a thing, and expects the members to know what the hell's going on. Giving you complete control means you do everything that Pondy did, which does infact, include changing rules when needed, and adding said rules aswell.
Esgalglinion - July 4, 2007 05:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Lionheart @ Jun 15 2007, 01:27 AM) |
| Me and Pondy had a chat about this new rule, and the RPG in general. Basically. I'm going to be taking most control of watching over this RPG. |
You did a real good job watching over. So good you didn't notice we needed help with some stuff. T_T
UnrealBlight - July 4, 2007 05:13 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Esgalglinion @ Jul 4 2007, 11:13 AM) |
| QUOTE (Lionheart @ Jun 15 2007, 01:27 AM) | | Me and Pondy had a chat about this new rule, and the RPG in general. Basically. I'm going to be taking most control of watching over this RPG. |
You did a real good job watching over. So good you didn't notice we needed help with some stuff. T_T
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He did a great job watching actually, but that's all he did; watch.
Esgalglinion - July 4, 2007 05:36 PM (GMT)
That's my point. If the one watching over can't use the little authority he have to move topics to the Judged Battles forum, or hand out judge tests or whatever, it's like sitting there "Oooh, lookie, the RPG is falling apart. Let's see what happens if I ignore it."
Reydemagival20635 - July 4, 2007 07:54 PM (GMT)
Man, am I like, the unsung hero of this RPG? I was the one that got this reset all started, but alas, school took over. I mean, I'm all for the RPG being active, but hell, graduating takes precedence over FEW... Still, I got it started, but no one gave a damn, or bothered to help me with anything, until Pondy came along and did everything. Teamwork and the willingness to work together are what really keep something like this going.
UnrealBlight - July 4, 2007 08:26 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Reydemagival20635 @ Jul 4 2007, 01:54 PM) |
| Man, am I like, the unsung hero of this RPG? I was the one that got this reset all started, but alas, school took over. I mean, I'm all for the RPG being active, but hell, graduating takes precedence over FEW... Still, I got it started, but no one gave a damn, or bothered to help me with anything, until Pondy came along and did everything. Teamwork and the willingness to work together are what really keep something like this going. |
Well, what I posted was more ranting, if you want, you could look at it like I had nothing to rant about you at :P
You basically said why you are though, you just got it going, but due to IRL issues, you couldn't work on it to your fullest ability, thus Pondy toke it upon himself to try to doing everything alone.
Pondy - July 5, 2007 09:23 AM (GMT)
You're joking, right? You guys are actually complaining about me doing the reset by myself? At the time, nobody else was doing anything. When other people don't do shit, I take it into my own hands, and[for some reason] almost every time it gets complained about. If you don't want me to do shit, then do it yourself.
Oh, and as for me giving Ultima all of my responsibilities, he wanted to play Root and stop me from passing a rule, while I was actually acting more like a Root by doing literally everything for this site to keep it alive. I figured if he wants to have more of a say in the RPG than me that he should earn it.
Esgalglinion - July 5, 2007 09:36 AM (GMT)
I didn't complain about it (or well, a little, no one should do anything alone). I even said I didn't think it was your fault. <_<
UnrealBlight - July 5, 2007 09:55 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Pondy @ Jul 5 2007, 03:23 AM) |
You're joking, right? You guys are actually complaining about me doing the reset by myself? At the time, nobody else was doing anything. When other people don't do shit, I take it into my own hands, and[for some reason] almost every time it gets complained about. If you don't want me to do shit, then do it yourself.
Oh, and as for me giving Ultima all of my responsibilities, he wanted to play Root and stop me from passing a rule, while I was actually acting more like a Root by doing literally everything for this site to keep it alive. I figured if he wants to have more of a say in the RPG than me that he should earn it. |
More or less, I am, doubt most are, but I seriously think you doing it yourself was completely idiotic. Here's what I can think of at 4 in the morning: 1) We made TONS of ideas after the last reset, we had the whole forum working together to try to make it as complete and even as possible, you come in out of nowhere, throw it out the windows, and then do it yourself. 2) You didn't change anything, you just picked up the stuff that failed the last few resets, and slapped some more rules on it, and expected it to be good. 3) You didn't let ANYONE help you, I'll speak for myself for once on this one, I IMed every single day saying I'd be more then happy to do all the profiles, keep track of the Arenas, make the NPCs, iron out the rules, and you just said you're too busy. 4) It was completely spontaneous, on hour the forum's as dead as it was for the past month, and the next, you're mass emailing people, there was no structure in what you were doing.
Again, you either had to do everything, or damn near nothing, it's the forum TEAM, you're supposed to work together, not bicker about meaningless things. We know that you did everything yourself, but that's because you made yourself do it alone, I'm not sure if you expected it to go miraculously, and then when it was over, you'd parade around saying you did it alone or what, but it's not the glory of maintaining an RPG by yourself that's important, it's letting us play the damn game.
These resets are crazy, from the West Lycia era, we've lost more then half the active members because they complained that we either did resets too often, that the staff wasn't trying, or that the rules were completely redundant and idiotic.
Kaden - July 6, 2007 07:14 PM (GMT)
I have to somewhat agree with UB there. I mean, sure, you made a reset, all by yourself, good job. However, you knew how all the stuff was supposed to be run, such as the war, and didn't left the forum team in on how it was going to be structured (say like, which reset). Because of that, the entire RP had to be completely reliant on you. I would've been more than happy to help set it up, but all you really said was "I have it done, I'll post it later." You did, but you didn't leave much room for other to help. When anything relies on just one person, then if that person gets angry at say... the root, then they can leave, and leave the whole thing out of whack. Then, if they leave for a week or two, and there're no changes in the RPG because they were going to make htem all, what can you expect besides a decrease in activity?
Pondy - July 6, 2007 10:23 PM (GMT)
Maybe I did go a little overboard. I'll admit that.
BUT, Tony[yes, I'm using your real name, onoez], what you don't know is that FEW was completely dead. As in, nobody on for days at a time. That's why I sent the first mass E-mail; to let people know that there actually was going to be a reset. Then, when I did the reset, the only person that actually offered to help was Strike, and he went to bed less than a half hour into it. The plan was to do it while nobody was on the forums in the middle of the night. So, I stuck to the plan while nobody else was on.
Give me a break, man. If I wouldn't have been here, FEW would still be 100% D-E-A-D.
UnrealBlight - July 6, 2007 10:29 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Pondy @ Jul 6 2007, 04:23 PM) |
Maybe I did go a little overboard. I'll admit that.
BUT, Tony[yes, I'm using your real name, onoez], what you don't know is that FEW was completely dead. As in, nobody on for days at a time. That's why I sent the first mass E-mail; to let people know that there actually was going to be a reset. Then, when I did the reset, the only person that actually offered to help was Strike, and he went to bed less than a half hour into it. The plan was to do it while nobody was on the forums in the middle of the night. So, I stuck to the plan while nobody else was on.
Give me a break, man. If I wouldn't have been here, FEW would still be 100% D-E-A-D. |
Admittion's the first step to recovery...... I think
I love you too.......oh hell, what's your name? I'm too lazy to look at that name topic.......Jaden? ...no that's your character.....okay, whatever the hell your name is:
If you check the dates, I was here everyday, at least 3 times a day, always trying to revive the palce. Where were you? Nowhere to be found, you just popped up one day and though "Oh well, I'm here, so I'll go Email everyone I fucking can". If you remember, who stayed up with you all day? ME. Sure, by the time morning came, all I did was point out typos, rules that needed fixing, etc. But that's what I do every reset.
We were dead for like 4 months, we could spare an extra week of being dead if it meant a complete RPG at the end of the week.
I'm not trying to put the blame on you, but we were all trying to help out.
Severian - July 8, 2007 06:21 PM (GMT)
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| Judges should JUDGE, if you plan on being a judge, you sure as hell better plan on judging, not just having the title and sitting around. We have like 15+ judges I think, and not even 5 battles per day judged TOTAL. That's only 1 battle per 3 judges, and we can't even do that. |
While I agree that there are definitely problems with the RP rules and whatnot, my gut feeling is that this is the main cause of "inactivity." Most of the day-to-day stuff that goes on in the RPG is arena battles, and without people judging, those don't happen.
As far as rules...if you look through the requests topic, it's pretty easy to spot some stuff that hasn't been fixed. For instance, a few posts were made in a topic about shop weapons and stuff by me and you, and subsequently ignored. At the same time, I don't see these as being particularly important in decreasing activity - no one's going to leave because they don't know the workings of some status-affliction staves, we haven't even had wars yet!
The main problem I see is that getting judges approved has been pretty slow, and that the judges we have are being lazy. I don't really blame people for not judging, because it's boring and tedious and there's a shitload of battles to get done, and there's often a feeling of "well, this won't matter anyway because I can't get everything done myself" associated with it (at least, there was for me in earlier wars).
The other (possible) problem is that there aren't any active RPs going on that I can see. I don't know how interested most people are in RP'ing, but that is at least a possible source of activity, and it seems dead right now.
EDIT-I was just about to start bitching about how character approvals weren't going through, because that used to be a problem. But it looks like they're going fine.
UnrealBlight - July 8, 2007 06:39 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Severian @ Jul 8 2007, 12:21 PM) |
| QUOTE | | Judges should JUDGE, if you plan on being a judge, you sure as hell better plan on judging, not just having the title and sitting around. We have like 15+ judges I think, and not even 5 battles per day judged TOTAL. That's only 1 battle per 3 judges, and we can't even do that. |
While I agree that there are definitely problems with the RP rules and whatnot, my gut feeling is that this is the main cause of "inactivity." Most of the day-to-day stuff that goes on in the RPG is arena battles, and without people judging, those don't happen.
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Yeah, rules have always been a problem, because every reset we fix like 1/5 of the rules that needed to be done, and on the last reset, we actually got close to everything sorted out, and then we went straight back to the West Lycia era, with all the fixed problems un-done. We purposely diverted back 2 years ago with all the problems we had beforehand, but this time we didn't have near as close the activity we had during the West Lycia era, so it's put to waste.
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| As far as rules...if you look through the requests topic, it's pretty easy to spot some stuff that hasn't been fixed. For instance, a few posts were made in a topic about shop weapons and stuff by me and you, and subsequently ignored. At the same time, I don't see these as being particularly important in decreasing activity - no one's going to leave because they don't know the workings of some status-affliction staves, we haven't even had wars yet! |
Again with the FT's neglect, we post all of the ideas we can think of, help out the best we can with what we have, and we're just pushed to the side and told it'll be fixed. I've seen damn near nothing done still.
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| The main problem I see is that getting judges approved has been pretty slow, and that the judges we have are being lazy. I don't really blame people for not judging, because it's boring and tedious and there's a shitload of battles to get done, and there's often a feeling of "well, this won't matter anyway because I can't get everything done myself" associated with it (at least, there was for me in earlier wars). |
Again, it's because people who KNOW THEY AREN'T GOING TO JUDGE ANYWAYS apply for judges, and then do nothing, so their test never get put into action, so why we're all waiting for the person who's not gonna do shit, the people who honestly want to judge are left in the dust. With the boring and tedious part: It takes like 5 minutes tops to judge a battle, even when listening to music and chatting. It's not that hard, you just got to do it without thinking about it, instead of thinking of it as an on-line chore. The shitload of battles aren't there if people actively judge, I remember in the Grado reset, I had to stay on, and wait for battles to be posted, just so I can get my money, because everyone wanted it; Hell, I even distinctly remembering me and 4 other judges doing the same thing, and after someone posted a battle once, we ended up having the battle judged 3 times within the course of a minute.
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| The other (possible) problem is that there aren't any active RPs going on that I can see. I don't know how interested most people are in RP'ing, but that is at least a possible source of activity, and it seems dead right now. |
I assume you mean the Text RPG, another issue I have with that: People complain and complain about it being dead, but all it takes for them is to make one little introductory topic, and get like 2 people into it. It's like everyone expects other to do the work for them, no matter how trivial the work is.
Oh hell, I had a rant I was going to go on, but I forgot it <_<
Severian - July 9, 2007 03:30 AM (GMT)
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| Again, it's because people who KNOW THEY AREN'T GOING TO JUDGE ANYWAYS apply for judges, and then do nothing, so their test never get put into action, so why we're all waiting for the person who's not gonna do shit, the people who honestly want to judge are left in the dust. With the boring and tedious part: It takes like 5 minutes tops to judge a battle, even when listening to music and chatting. It's not that hard, you just got to do it without thinking about it, instead of thinking of it as an on-line chore. The shitload of battles aren't there if people actively judge, I remember in the Grado reset, I had to stay on, and wait for battles to be posted, just so I can get my money, because everyone wanted it; Hell, I even distinctly remembering me and 4 other judges doing the same thing, and after someone posted a battle once, we ended up having the battle judged 3 times within the course of a minute. |
I do agree with this; the very reason I'm not a judge right now is that I realized I'd be too lazy to judge, and decided not to do the test.
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| I assume you mean the Text RPG, another issue I have with that: People complain and complain about it being dead, but all it takes for them is to make one little introductory topic, and get like 2 people into it. It's like everyone expects other to do the work for them, no matter how trivial the work is. |
I was under the impression that text RPs with EXP bonuses (perhaps a major draw, perhaps not so much, I dunno) needed to be posted by forum team, country leaders, RP mods, or something like that. They definitely had to be approved in some way in previous resets.
ALRIGHT THOUGH! I've decided I'm going to make a character tonight, maybe even two, and get them into some RP. I'll probably not put in a heckuvalot of effort into posts, but I'll try to keep some people interested and stuff.
But first a game of Top Shop!
In general about rules and such...I'm disappointed that stuff gets posted and ignored, but I just don't see it as having much relation to any inactivity, because I think we've had better activity in the past with more rule problems and such. The one with the custom world definitely had a number of problems, which I readily admit because I was the author of some of them (I am far better at improving rules than creating them outta thin air), but I'm pretty sure it lasted longer than this one.
UnrealBlight - July 9, 2007 03:39 AM (GMT)
I thought it was stated BExp was given out for just being a good roleplayer, but I haven't stepped foot in there :P
If the Text RPG gets some action it in, I might check it out more, I'm horrible at it though :"(