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Title: Automatic, Tiptronic Or Manual?


Scarface - November 2, 2010 03:51 AM (GMT)
Hi, everyone.

I am new to this forums, I will be trying to get a altezza in the next mouth. I was wondering what is the difference between the Automatic, Tiptronic and Manual for altezza.
So sorry that is is such a newb question to ask as I am very new to cars and altezzas.

Thanks for all the help in advance, ^o^

xnickx - November 2, 2010 03:55 AM (GMT)
They refer to the transmission of the vehicle (gearbox)

The Altezza RS200 (3SGE) Auto transmissions are 5 Speed Tiptronic (change gears on the steering wheel buttons or leave it in the normal "D" Auto)

The Altezza AS200 (1GFE) only had the 4 Speed Auto (no tiptronic mode)

Both Altezza AS200 and Altezza RS200 manuals are 6 Speed, manual transmission as it clutch pedal :)

RS200 = 4 Cylinder, 2L engine
AS200 = 6 Cylinder, 2L engine


Scarface - November 2, 2010 05:32 AM (GMT)
Oooooo, Thanks for the help. I went to a dealer yesterday, but I couldnt tell which is a automatic and which is a Tiptronic. Can you please tell me how to spot the differences?

jtm_usa - November 2, 2010 05:43 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 2 2010, 05:32 AM)
Oooooo, Thanks for the help. I went to a dealer yesterday, but I couldnt tell which is a automatic and which is a Tiptronic. Can you please tell me how to spot the differences?

Hi,

The tiptronic transmissions will have the buttons on the steering wheel as seen in this picture. (down on the front side of the wheel and up on the back side of the wheel)

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Which, when the gear stick is in the 'D-M' position (meaning Drive-Manual) then the buttons become activated and in use and you can shift through the gears from 2,3,4 and D
when the gearstick is in just the "D" position the tiptronic buttons on the steering wheel are not active.

that is the difference if im not mistaken.

(have a tiptronic 5 speed 1998 rs200 altezza) :)

good luck!

btw the "rs200" is the faster version with the beams engine if your after the speed of the 4 cylinder 2liter engine, depending on what your looking for with your altezza ;)

xnickx - November 2, 2010 05:46 AM (GMT)
As above, the tiptronic has buttons on the steering wheel like:
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Auto doesn't, like:
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Also looking under the bonnet tells you, 3SGE Auto = Tiptronic. 1GFE Auto = Auto

jtm_usa - November 2, 2010 05:48 AM (GMT)
ooo loving the cream interior ! :P

Scarface - November 2, 2010 07:05 AM (GMT)
Thanks guys, now I understand :D Last questions, what is the mpg for the three transmissions, are they different? And also what are the costs of repairs for the three different transmissions,

RS200Faker - November 2, 2010 01:10 PM (GMT)
just get the manual dude, they are a sweet thing.

Scarface - November 3, 2010 05:10 AM (GMT)
Yeah, Ill try but I would have to learn how to drive a manual if I buy a manual transmission, Btw I have one more question. Which version AS or RS is the cheaper when it comes to repairs eg engine maintenance/repairs, transmission repairs.

I dont plan on mods for the car and I dont plan to race the car either. I just want to drive the car as normally and for everyday driving. This is my first car. Sorry for all the newb questions, I really want to make a good decision on which model I should get and not regret getting it. Please help and assist me in choosing which model to buy. :)

Soiled Altezza - November 3, 2010 05:22 AM (GMT)
Neither are that different on repairs and maintenance, but the AS is for down low torque kinda boring driving and the RS is alot more rev happy and fun to drive.

Learning to drive manual in these cars would be pretty easy too as they are very forgiving, light clutches/heavy flywheels means it's alot harder to stall than other cars.

I would say go for the RS200 in manual, but that's just for having abit more of an exciting car.

Robo - November 3, 2010 05:39 AM (GMT)
Get the RS200, more fun to drive. Day to day maintenance is pretty much the same on both cars.

I drive around town, a manual would just be a hassle, so got the tiptronic version. I can always use the steering wheel buttons to change gear if I want to.

alimac - November 3, 2010 05:51 AM (GMT)
I've always been a fan of a manual, and most of my driving is open road. I went for a RS200 manual, which I love. Can't commenet on the tiptronic, though, as I've never driven one.

alimac - November 3, 2010 05:57 AM (GMT)
QUOTE
So sorry that is is such a newb question to ask as I am very new to cars and altezzas.


No need to apologise bud. We all start somewhere, and need to learn. IMO there are no dumb questions, as long as you take note of good answers. (there are dumb answers)

And btw, welcome along. Whereabouts are you? Maybe someone could meet up with you and help you out.

Scarface - November 3, 2010 06:46 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (alimac @ Nov 3 2010, 05:57 AM)

No need to apologise bud. We all start somewhere, and need to learn. IMO there are no dumb questions, as long as you take note of good answers. (there are dumb answers)

And btw, welcome along. Whereabouts are you? Maybe someone could meet up with you and help you out.

Thanks for all the help, I am really enlightened by all the assist. I live in Auckland Avondale. I am hoping to find a decent stock altezza for 11000, Its a really low budget :(, But I dont know which is the cheaper model of the two, and which is the cheaper transmission. Ive been doing some research on trademe and Ive noticed that manuals are 2-3 thousand more expensive then their automatic counterparts, but I want to know for sure if it is true?

jeremyflower - November 3, 2010 08:14 AM (GMT)
You'll normally pay a premium for Manual Altezzas due to the fact that they're more popular. You'll also pay more for the RS over the AS200 for the same reason.

I've had an AS200 manual for 4 1/2 years and it's been great, plenty enough power to get around(or get yourself in trouble with the law), the gearboxes are sooo sweet (compared to the honda I had before it anyway...) and it's not that difficult to learn.

Recently I've moved on to an AS300 Gita with the 2JZ and tiptronic auto which is much more relaxing to drive, you never have to put your foot down hard and the gear changes are very smooth.

I've heard the AS200 autos are a wee bit disappointing to drive power-wise but they'll still go around corners just the same :-)

My AS200 is for sale, I'm over in Hobsonville if you'd like to take it for a drive, even if it's just for the sake of comparison. Once you drive one it'll spoil every other car for you, you won't want anything else ;-)

EviLClouD - November 3, 2010 09:41 AM (GMT)
The biggest mistake i made was purchasing an auto AS200. However if you only want an altezza for the 'looks' any will do. If you want more performance or have fun with the car, go for a manual RS200.

Robo - November 3, 2010 10:15 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 3 2010, 07:46 PM)
I am hoping to find a decent stock altezza for 11000, Its a really low budget :(

You should be able to find a private sale for that price, with a bit of patience. That's the case in Chch anyway, don't know if prices in Auckland are any different. When I got my Altezza they were round about that price, ~100,000km.

RS200Faker - November 3, 2010 02:53 PM (GMT)
i drive my car in stop start city traffic 70 kays a day & i wouldnt have it any other way (heavy clutch & all)

going up thru the gears is good but setting the car up for corners with smooth heel/toe/blip downshifting is the best.

get the manual tezza & buy a great book by Carrol Smith (Drive to win) & you will be one happy chappy when you get it right.

dont worry about trying to be fast, just learn smooth.

KMG - November 3, 2010 06:34 PM (GMT)
QUOTE (RS200Faker @ Nov 2 2010, 01:10 PM)
just get the manual dude, they are a sweet thing.

agree

Scarface - November 3, 2010 07:00 PM (GMT)
To Jeremy Flower: Thanks man, you are very generous. I will try to get transport and go. Ill PM you if I can get transport.

Btw Im only a 17 year old and this would be my first car. I could update in the later years. But for now i think Ill try to get a manual AS200. What is the general price of altezza AS200 Manual and automatic, And the RS200 Manual and automatic in New Zealand?

RS200Faker - November 4, 2010 04:35 AM (GMT)
oh, yeah manual is better on fuel too :P

mikeyde - November 4, 2010 05:58 AM (GMT)
If you do get an auto make sure it's tiptronic, that's what my RS200 is, I sometimes wish I had a manual for the fun factor but a tiptronic is the next best thing I reckon :)

altezzadunnos - November 4, 2010 07:06 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (mikeyde @ Nov 4 2010, 06:58 PM)
If you do get an auto make sure it's tiptronic, that's what my RS200 is, I sometimes wish I had a manual for the fun factor but a tiptronic is the next best thing I reckon :)

Too True lol

jeremyflower - November 4, 2010 08:29 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 4 2010, 07:00 AM)
To Jeremy Flower: Thanks man, you are very generous. I will try to get transport and go. Ill PM you if I can get transport.

Btw Im only a 17 year old and this would be my first car. I could update in the later years. But for now i think Ill try to get a manual AS200. What is the general price of altezza AS200 Manual and automatic, And the RS200 Manual and automatic in New Zealand?

Jump onto Trademe and have a look around, you'll get a pretty good idea of what you can get for your money within a short space of time.

Manual Altezzas between $10-12000:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/categoryat...9293&advanced=1

Tiptronic Altezzas between $10-12000:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/browse/categoryat...5026&advanced=1

Automatic Altezzas between $10-12000:
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/CategoryAt...8190&advanced=1

Scarface - November 5, 2010 04:33 AM (GMT)
Thanks alot everyone, I think I will try get a AS200 Manual or Automatic with around 100000KM. Btw if the transmission breaks eg in the worst case scenario and the transmission is totally broken then what are the price of fixing it, Like the estimated price of repairs for manual automatic and tiptronic? I dont really mind about much I just want to have a cheap maintenance car.

Black Tez - November 5, 2010 04:50 AM (GMT)
A tiptronic is great to drive - I ONLY drive mine in manual mode. The tiptronic boxes are strong - I can't imagine what you would have to do to one to break it!!!!

Wanna buy mine? Have owned it 8 years, always serviced by Toyota dealer network, always use Mobil1 oil, never been crashed. Wasn't thinking of selling but my boss is selling his E46 BMW 330i M Sport which is one of only a VERY FEW cars under $50k that I would part with the Tezza for!

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Scarface - November 5, 2010 09:00 AM (GMT)
Awwww.... thats a really good car mate. But I dont think it would come into my budget T-T,

MightyTeza - November 5, 2010 09:00 AM (GMT)
If i had the money, i'd definately buy yours, thats for sure ;)

mikeyde - November 5, 2010 10:57 PM (GMT)
Black was my 1st choice but ended up with silver, just out of interest how much are you wanting for your BLKTEZ Black Tez?

Black Tez - November 6, 2010 12:23 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (mikeyde @ Nov 6 2010, 10:57 AM)
Black was my 1st choice but ended up with silver, just out of interest how much are you wanting for your BLKTEZ Black Tez?

PM'd u

jeremyflower - November 10, 2010 07:02 AM (GMT)
My Altezza has been the lowest maintenance car I've ever owned. Other than regular oil changes and filling up with petrol there's really nothing to do.

XnickX gives club members amazing discounts through North Shore Toyota so even if something does go wrong it'll cost you a fraction of what you'd pay elsewhere, all in all they're a great car to own.

Looks great, performs well and cheap(ish) to run... Can't beat it :-)

Scarface - November 12, 2010 04:34 AM (GMT)
Hey everyone, are the AS200 6MT that exist today all converted or was it there in production? Ive been reading some sites and they only included RS200 6MT 5AT and AS200 4AT.

jeremyflower - November 12, 2010 05:00 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 12 2010, 04:34 PM)
Hey everyone, are the AS200 6MT that exist today all converted or was it there in production? Ive been reading some sites and they only included RS200 6MT 5AT and AS200 4AT.

Mine is definitely a factory manual, not converted.

Don't believe everything you read on the interwebs...

Scarface - November 12, 2010 06:43 AM (GMT)
Haha, Lol okay. I thought it wasnt true. But then again AS200 Manuals are soo rare XD. Btw i have one last question, Is there any difference between 1998-1999 Altezzas and 2000-2005 Altezza models. Is there any kind of facelift or anything?

jeremyflower - November 12, 2010 06:54 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 12 2010, 06:43 PM)
Haha, Lol okay. I thought it wasnt true. But then again AS200 Manuals are soo rare XD. Btw i have one last question, Is there any difference between 1998-1999 Altezzas and 2000-2005 Altezza models. Is there any kind of facelift or anything?

Yeah they were even more rare back when I got mine, that's why I paid quite a premium for it...

I think 2001 was when they got rid of the gold tinge to the dash and steering wheel, the AS200Z that I have had a grille similar to the IS200 when I bought it so I guess that was part of the facelift. Also, no more black headlights post 2001 but they did gain the dark chrome taillights.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong anyone?

Scarface - November 12, 2010 07:52 AM (GMT)
Ooooo, thanks for the reply. So there are no major facelifts?

jeremyflower - November 13, 2010 02:48 AM (GMT)
QUOTE (Scarface @ Nov 12 2010, 07:52 PM)
Ooooo, thanks for the reply. So there are no major facelifts?

I don't think so, Xnickx would be the one to ask since he's the guru on such matters. I'm pretty sure the facelift was just a minor cosmetic one though...




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